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1. 01:32 AM - Re: Re: Bliss (Carl Pattinson)
2. 02:21 AM - Re: Re: Bliss (David Joyce)
3. 02:31 AM - Re: Re: Bliss (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
4. 03:11 AM - Re: Re: Bliss (Carl Pattinson)
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Hi Goff,
Apologies for the delay in responding - your email was lost in the pile of
Europa related stuff that was in my mailbox.
I have been trying (off and on) to get good in cockpit quality for the last
5 years.
It seems that as soon as you mount a camera to the aircraft structure this
picks up the vibrations on the airframe. I have used a Sanyo video cam, a
VIO POV camera and latterly my Canon EOS 650.
Both the Sanyo and the Canon have Image stabilisers and are very effective
in reducing the camera shake - the problem is they both have relatively
narrow lens angles (so you can't get the whole cockpit in frame). I did buy
a wide angle adapter for the Sanyo but it isn't that wide angle and degrades
the image quality. In all other respects it makes a decent job of in cockpit
video.
The VIO (http://vio-pov.com/) has a similar really wide angle to the GoPro
and the quality is superb but as soon as you attach the lens to anywhere in
the cockpit you get bad camera shake. If mounted on my headset (side of ear
cup) the shake goes away but as a pilots head scans the horizon frequently
its very difficult footage to watch - also the camera is too far forward and
you lose the cockpit panorama. The strange image you get with the rotating
prop is a bit annoying but nothing I cant live with. I think VIO have since
brought out a software fix for this anyway. If not I will definitely look at
mounting a piece of ND filter in front of the lens.
I have looked at various ways of isolating the vibrations but as yet nothing
worked. It seems that the built in stabiliser systems are the only way
forward. I believe the latest GoPro cameras have this built in (it may just
be in the processing software).
Unfortunately I am (or rather was) a professional photographer and tend to
be a little more picky than most - so my fault. Now that I am retired I
should have more time to look at the problem - im sure there is a simple way
of tackling the problem.
Again, congratulations on the video footage at Bembridge - I realised that
your original footage would have been better quality but was just curious to
see how much better the original was.
Thanks for getting back to me.
Kind regards,
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of goff
Sent: 26 September 2013 13:11
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Bliss
Carl,
Yes I do have the HD original. It's even better than the YouTube posting,
which degrades the original a bit.
Bob,
I'm not sure what you mean by image shake. Do you mean vibration from the
prop and the fuselage? The GroPro is mounted to the cabin roof, just aft of
the seats. I don't think it has built in image stabilising software, so it
must be my smooth flying!!
If you mean the absence of prop strobing, that's down to a little neutral
density filter popped inside the GoPro case in front of the lens. I cut a
piece the size and shape of a one euro coin from a sheet of theatrical
lighting filter acetate. Works wonders.
Goff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409259#409259
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Carl, Does your prop need balancing? Regards, David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:30:52 +0100
"Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
><carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Hi Goff,
>
> Apologies for the delay in responding - your email was
>lost in the pile of
> Europa related stuff that was in my mailbox.
>
> I have been trying (off and on) to get good in cockpit
>quality for the last
> 5 years.
>
> It seems that as soon as you mount a camera to the
>aircraft structure this
> picks up the vibrations on the airframe. I have used a
>Sanyo video cam, a
> VIO POV camera and latterly my Canon EOS 650.
>
> Both the Sanyo and the Canon have Image stabilisers and
>are very effective
> in reducing the camera shake - the problem is they both
>have relatively
> narrow lens angles (so you can't get the whole cockpit
>in frame). I did buy
> a wide angle adapter for the Sanyo but it isn't that
>wide angle and degrades
> the image quality. In all other respects it makes a
>decent job of in cockpit
> video.
>
> The VIO (http://vio-pov.com/) has a similar really wide
>angle to the GoPro
> and the quality is superb but as soon as you attach the
>lens to anywhere in
> the cockpit you get bad camera shake. If mounted on my
>headset (side of ear
> cup) the shake goes away but as a pilots head scans the
>horizon frequently
> its very difficult footage to watch - also the camera is
>too far forward and
> you lose the cockpit panorama. The strange image you get
>with the rotating
> prop is a bit annoying but nothing I cant live with. I
>think VIO have since
> brought out a software fix for this anyway. If not I
>will definitely look at
> mounting a piece of ND filter in front of the lens.
>
> I have looked at various ways of isolating the
>vibrations but as yet nothing
> worked. It seems that the built in stabiliser systems
>are the only way
> forward. I believe the latest GoPro cameras have this
>built in (it may just
> be in the processing software).
>
> Unfortunately I am (or rather was) a professional
>photographer and tend to
> be a little more picky than most - so my fault. Now that
>I am retired I
> should have more time to look at the problem - im sure
>there is a simple way
> of tackling the problem.
>
> Again, congratulations on the video footage at Bembridge
>- I realised that
> your original footage would have been better quality but
>was just curious to
> see how much better the original was.
>
> Thanks for getting back to me.
>
> Kind regards,
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
>Behalf Of goff
> Sent: 26 September 2013 13:11
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Bliss
>
><goffmoore@aviators.net>
>
> Carl,
>
> Yes I do have the HD original. It's even better than the
>YouTube posting,
> which degrades the original a bit.
>
> Bob,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by image shake. Do you mean
>vibration from the
> prop and the fuselage? The GroPro is mounted to the
>cabin roof, just aft of
> the seats. I don't think it has built in image
>stabilising software, so it
> must be my smooth flying!!
>
> If you mean the absence of prop strobing, that's down to
>a little neutral
> density filter popped inside the GoPro case in front of
>the lens. I cut a
> piece the size and shape of a one euro coin from a sheet
>of theatrical
> lighting filter acetate. Works wonders.
>
> Goff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409259#409259
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Un/Subscription,
>Forums!
>Admin.
>
>
>
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Good question David!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________
_=0A From: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matron
ics.com =0ASent: Sunday, 29 September 2013, 10:20=0ASubject: Re: Europa-Lis
idjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0A=0ACarl, Does your prop need balancing? Regards,
David Joyce, G-XSDJ=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:30:52 +0100=0A"Carl Patt
inson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:=0A> --> Europa-List message pos
ted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>=0A> =0A> Hi Goff,=0A
> =0A> Apologies for the delay in responding - your email was lost in the p
ile of=0A> Europa related stuff that was in my mailbox.=0A> =0A> I have bee
n trying (off and on) to get good in cockpit quality for the last=0A> 5 yea
rs.=0A> =0A> It seems that as soon as you mount a camera to the aircraft st
ructure this=0A> picks up the vibrations on the airframe.- I have used a
Sanyo video cam, a=0A> VIO POV camera and latterly my Canon EOS 650.=0A>
=0A> Both the Sanyo and the Canon have Image stabilisers and are very effec
tive=0A> in reducing the camera shake - the problem is they both have relat
ively=0A> narrow lens angles (so you can't get the whole cockpit in frame).
I did buy=0A> a wide angle adapter for the Sanyo but it isn't that wide an
gle and degrades=0A> the image quality. In all other respects it makes a de
cent job of in cockpit=0A> video.=0A> =0A> The VIO (http://vio-pov.com/) ha
s a similar really wide angle to the GoPro=0A> and the quality is superb bu
t as soon as you attach the lens to anywhere in=0A> the cockpit you get bad
camera shake. If mounted on my headset (side of ear=0A> cup) the shake goe
s away but as a pilots head scans the horizon frequently=0A> its very diffi
cult footage to watch - also the camera is too far forward and=0A> you lose
the cockpit panorama. The strange image you get with the rotating=0A> prop
is a bit annoying but nothing I cant live with. I think VIO have since=0A>
brought out a software fix for this anyway. If not I will definitely look
at=0A> mounting a piece of ND filter in front of the lens.=0A> =0A> I have
looked at various ways of isolating the vibrations but as yet nothing=0A> w
orked. It seems that the built in stabiliser systems are the only way=0A> f
orward. I believe the latest GoPro cameras have this built in (it may just
=0A> be in the processing software).=0A> =0A> Unfortunately I am (or rather
was) a professional photographer and tend to=0A> be a little more picky th
an most - so my fault. Now that I am retired I=0A> should have more time to
look at the problem - im sure there is a simple way=0A> of tackling the pr
oblem.=0A> =0A> Again, congratulations on the video footage at Bembridge -
I realised that=0A> your original footage would have been better quality bu
t was just curious to=0A> see how much better the original was.=0A> =0A> Th
anks for getting back to me.=0A> =0A> Kind regards,=0A> Carl=0A> =0A> -----
Original Message-----=0A> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com=0A>
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of goff=0A> Sent:
26 September 2013 13:11=0A> To: europa-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Eur
fmoore@aviators.net>=0A> =0A> Carl,=0A> =0A> Yes I do have the HD original.
It's even better than the YouTube posting,=0A> which degrades the original
a bit.=0A> =0A> Bob,=0A> =0A> I'm not sure what you mean by image shake. D
o you mean vibration from the=0A> prop and the fuselage? The GroPro is moun
ted to the cabin roof, just aft of=0A> the seats. I don't think it has buil
t in image stabilising software, so it=0A> must be my smooth flying!!=0A>
=0A> If you mean the absence of prop strobing, that's down to a little neut
ral=0A> density filter popped inside the GoPro case in front of the lens. I
cut a=0A> piece the size and shape of a one euro coin from a sheet of thea
trical=0A> lighting filter acetate. Works wonders.=0A> =0A> Goff=0A> =0A>
=0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronic
s.com/viewtopic.php?p=409259#409259=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A
> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Un/Subscription,=0A> Forums!=0A> Admin.=0A> =0A> =0A>
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Ouch !
It depends on which prop you are referring to ' in the last year my
Europa
has flown with four (yes four!) different props. Someone (who shall
remain
nameless) keeps ground looping the plane and has trashed 2 Woodcomp
props.
Its confusing but we put the original Warp prop on for a while so
that=92s how
I end up with a total of four. Just waiting for the insurance renewal in
October ' can=92t imagine what 2 claims for =A33,500 each will do.
We have just fitted the most recent replacement Woodcomp SR3000 prop
(the
third one) which Kevin Dilks picked up at the factory in The Checz
Republic
last week and it was balanced by them after assembly.
Regarding the balance I have one of Mark Burtons dynamic PB3 balancers
'
whenever we fit a new prop it is checked for balance and we always
manage to
get the target into the inner ring ' bullseye (which is classed as
very
good).
So sadly it aint the balance ' wish it was as simple as that.
The fact of the matter is that most modern video cameras have
stabilisation
included as standard and this deals with most vibration associated
issues.
As it=92s the norm many manufacturers don=92t mention it as a selling
point. Im
pretty sure the GoPro Hero 3 has an image stabiliser built in.
For some reason VIO didn=92t include it in their camera but I am hoping
that a
simple anti vibration mount will deal with the worst of the vibration
and
the rest can be processed out when I edit the original footage. I have
Sonys Vegas Movie studio to edit my clips and this has camera shake
software
' this helps but doesn=92t cure the problem entirely (and degrades the
quality).
It=92s something I would like to sort out in the future but not top of
my list
of priorities.
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM
SINGLETON
Sent: 29 September 2013 10:31
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Bliss
Good question David!
Graham
_____
From: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2013, 10:20
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Bliss
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Carl, Does your prop need balancing? Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:30:52 +0100
"Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
<carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Hi Goff,
>
> Apologies for the delay in responding - your email was lost in the
pile of
> Europa related stuff that was in my mailbox.
>
> I have been trying (off and on) to get good in cockpit quality for the
last
> 5 years.
>
> It seems that as soon as you mount a camera to the aircraft structure
this
> picks up the vibrations on the airframe. I have used a Sanyo video
cam, a
> VIO POV camera and latterly my Canon EOS 650.
>
> Both the Sanyo and the Canon have Image stabilisers and are very
effective
> in reducing the camera shake - the problem is they both have
relatively
> narrow lens angles (so you can't get the whole cockpit in frame). I
did
buy
> a wide angle adapter for the Sanyo but it isn't that wide angle and
degrades
> the image quality. In all other respects it makes a decent job of in
cockpit
> video.
>
> The VIO (http://vio-pov.com/) has a similar really wide angle to the
GoPro
> and the quality is superb but as soon as you attach the lens to
anywhere
in
> the cockpit you get bad camera shake. If mounted on my headset (side
of
ear
> cup) the shake goes away but as a pilots head scans the horizon
frequently
> its very difficult footage to watch - also the camera is too far
forward
and
> you lose the cockpit panorama. The strange image you get with the
rotating
> prop is a bit annoying but nothing I cant live with. I think VIO have
since
> brought out a software fix for this anyway. If not I will definitely
look
at
> mounting a piece of ND filter in front of the lens.
>
> I have looked at various ways of isolating the vibrations but as yet
nothing
> worked. It seems that the built in stabiliser systems are the only way
> forward. I believe the latest GoPro cameras have this built in (it may
just
> be in the processing software).
>
> Unfortunately I am (or rather was) a professional photographer and
tend to
> be a little more picky than most - so my fault. Now that I am retired
I
> should have more time to look at the problem - im sure there is a
simple
way
> of tackling the problem.
>
> Again, congratulations on the video footage at Bembridge - I realised
that
> your original footage would have been better quality but was just
curious
to
> see how much better the original was.
>
> Thanks for getting back to me.
>
> Kind regards,
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of goff
> Sent: 26 September 2013 13:11
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Bliss
>
>
> Carl,
>
> Yes I do have the HD original. It's even better than the YouTube
posting,
> which degrades the original a bit.
>
> Bob,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by image shake. Do you mean vibration from
the
> prop and the fuselage? The GroPro is mounted to the cabin roof, just
aft
of
> the seats. I don't think it has built in image stabilising software,
so it
> must be my smooth flying!!
>
> If you mean the absence of prop strobing, that's down to a little
neutral
> density filter popped inside the GoPro case in front of the lens. I
cut a
> piece the size and shape of a one euro coin from a sheet of theatrical
> lighting filter acetate. Works wonders.
>
> Goff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409259#409259
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Forums!
> Admin.
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