---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/04/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:27 AM - Re: DOT4 and filling the monowheel brake line (Max Cointe (Free)) 2. 12:59 AM - Re: DOT4 and filling the monowheel brake line (Remi Guerner) 3. 11:40 AM - Re: DOT4 and filling the monowheel brake line (Neville Eyre) 4. 04:40 PM - CANCELED - EAA 21 Club First Saturday Fly-Ins at KEHR, Henderson, KY (Steve Eberhart) 5. 09:08 PM - AN bolts too long (Andrew Sarangan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:49 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe (Free)" Subject: RE: Europa-List: DOT4 and filling the monowheel brake line Hi There, You need to push the liquid with a syringe from each brake through the purge bolt until it goes out of each master cylinder. To avoid having liquid falls everywhere you need to connect a special bolt on which you connect a pipe and get the exceeding in a bottle. Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=92A=E9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de f.kyle@sympatico.ca Envoy=E9 : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 05:29 =C0 : 5EUROPALIST Objet : Europa-List: DOT4 and filling the monowheel brake line Cheers, I am having the worst time trying to force the fluid up into the brake system from the bleed valve on the main wheel. We opened the upper fill plug to relieve what we thought to be any resistance and with a syringe attempted to fill the various parts. First of all the syringes leaked somewhat and we did our best to press fluid into the wheel portion but after 250 ml, and much huffing and puffing, have seen little result above, even though we induced a vacuum from the top to expedite matters.. Any hints or kinks as to a more perfect procedure? All ideas accepted at par. Thanks, Ferg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:34 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: DOT4 and filling the monowheel brake line From: "Remi Guerner" I found it was critical to raise the tail as high as possible, say 1.5 meters (be careful not to damage your prop) so that the master cylinder is almost horizontal. Remi F-PGKL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409814#409814 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOT4 and filling the monowheel brake line From: Neville Eyre Hi Ferg Had another think about this today, if you can't get any fluid to flow uphi ll, the caliper piston might be backed up tight in the housing, which will block the flow. As it will have been sitting around for a while [ how long Ferg ?] warm the caliper with a fan heater, just so it is warm to the touch [ to help un gu m the seal] and remove the bleed nipple and give it a shot of compressed ai r to shift the piston out to the disc. Then the fluid will pass through the caliper with barely any effort. Cheers, Nev -----Original Message----- From: Neville Eyre Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013 7:35 am Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOT4 and filling the monowheel brake line Hi Ferg, Large syringe [ from a Vet ?], length of model aircraft silicone fuel tube, 1/4'' spanner, plastic bag and either the Europa screw in funnel, or a noz zle from a silicone sealant cartridge.......... Cover the caliper with the plastic bag, piercing it through the nipple [ to keep fluid off the pads ] Fit the tube on the syringe, fill the syringe and purge the air out to the open end of the tube, fit onto nipple. With the Europa funnel or nozzle fitted to the bung hole in the master cyli nder, open the nipple a turn or turn and a half and squeeze the fluid up, i t has taken me longer to type this than it should take to do it ! Have a helper to watch for the funnel filling up, when fluid is in the funn el, tighten up the caliper nipple. Slowly pump the master cylinder to it's full travel a number of times, air trapped in the cylinder will come up through the fluid in the funnel [ rais e the tail will help here ?] When all air has gone, suck out the fluid from the funnel so the fluid is level with the thread, replace the bung..... job done Cheers, Nev -----Original Message----- From: f.kyle Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013 4:28 am Subject: Europa-List: DOT4 and filling the monowheel brake line Cheers, I am having the worst time trying to force the fluid up into th e brake system from the bleed valve on the main wheel. We opened the upper fill plug to relieve what we thought to be any resistance and with a syringe attempted to fill the various parts. First of all the syringes leaked somewhat and we did our best t o press fluid into the wheel portion but after 250 ml, and much huffing and puffing, have seen little result above, even though we induced a vacuum fr om the top to expedite matters.. Any hints or kinks as to a more perfect procedure? All ideas ac cepted at par. Thanks, Ferg arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:19 PM PST US From: Steve Eberhart Subject: Europa-List: CANCELED - EAA 21 Club First Saturday Fly-Ins at KEHR, Henderson, KY Due to really lousy weather being forecast for Saturday we are CANCELING our last First Saturday Fly-In of the Season. We will see everyone next year Saturday May 3, 2014 When We will be preparing Hamburgers, Brats and NATHANS FAMOUS Hot Dogs for all that fly in. Just as New York's 21 Club has become known as the HAPPENING PLACE to be and be seen, EAA 21 Club is the place to be on the first Saturday of each month. 10:00 AM till 2:00 PM Central time. Where: Henderson Kentucky City-County Airport (KEHR) If KEHR is VFR then we will be cooking the best Gourmet Burgers, Brats and Dogs this side of Sporty's. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:05 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Europa-List: AN bolts too long I noticed that all bolts for the CS14 brackets are specified to be about one size too long. The manual calls for AN3-6A to mount the brackets to the cockpit module. Since these bolts are only partially threaded, I was running out of threads before the nut was able to grip. So I ordered some AN3-5A bolts and that worked better. Then I noticed the same problem when mounting the bellcrank onto the CS14 brackets. The manual calls for AN4-12A, but they are too long. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I missing something here? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.