---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/16/13: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:55 AM - Re: MOD 78 (Alan Carter) 2. 03:39 AM - Re: MOD 78 (alan.twigg775@gmail.com) 3. 04:04 AM - Re: MOD 78 (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 4. 08:41 AM - KEVV - Evansville Indiana EAA Chapter 21 Wings and Wheels this weekend (Steve Eberhart) 5. 08:29 PM - Re: MOD 78 (djaflyact) 6. 10:03 PM - Re: Re: MOD 78 (Kingsley Hurst) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:27 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: MOD 78 From: "Alan Carter" Hi David. Can't help you there, but as you mention wings and pins just a fact I have noticed, I have a little play fore and aft play if I wiggle very gently at the wing tips, don't know why, think? it was the starboard side mostly. However I have felt the same amount of movement in about 35 out of 40 Europa's, also about the same amount of aircraft had some wear in the Stab hinge line so I assume this is quit normal , So I feel better about it now. I am not sure if you are referring to this or something else. Regards. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410682#410682 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:04 AM PST US From: alan.twigg775@gmail.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: MOD 78 Dave, Nev has just completed 78 on my wings which I hope is the next customer Mono Motorglider to take to the air. New sockets came with the kit. Watched your early inputs, kept me going especially after Europa went bust. Alan Twigg Kit 463 in UK Fuselage prepping for paint, mod 78 in post cure, ailerons and air brakes installing. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Oct 2013, at 07:40, "djaflyact" wrote: > > Hello Europa Builders, > I've been off this list for a while, but here I am again. I've got the mono wheel motor glider with about 550 hours on it now. I believe mine was the first customer long wing to fly. > > Now I am starting the infamous Mod 78. Has anyone successfully done this mod themselves yet? I have just started by pulling the wings and organizing the hangar in anticipation of the big job. The first thing I have noticed is the front pin and socket on the fuselage has significantly more play in it than the original socket. Was this socket replacement due to a structural considerations or just the make the rigging easier? It seems that socket location sets the angle if incidence and I would think there should be virtually no play there. The pin has a shoulder on it and I was thinking that the shoulder was what does the trick. It doesn't seem to, though. > > On the other hand, I did see a couple small parts wrapped in the package, so possibly there is some part I am not considering. I have not seen any drawings or pictures of the new socket. > > I hope this mod goes well. After getting all the angles and rigging set, its hard to tear that all apart again - especially after flying it for over 10 years now. > > Thanks, > > Dave Anderson > A227 - Motorglider (no short wings) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410680#410680 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:58 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: MOD 78 Good news Alan, look forward to you flying at last!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________=0A From: "alan.twigg775@gmail.com" =0ATo: "europa-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 11:37=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List m=0A=0ADave, Nev has just completed 78 on my wings which I hope is the next customer Mono Motorglider to take to the air. New sockets came with the ki t.=0AWatched your early inputs, kept me going especially after Europa went bust.=0AAlan Twigg=0AKit 463 in UK=0AFuselage prepping for paint, mod 78 in post cure,- ailerons and air brakes installing.=0A=0ASent from my iPhone =0A=0AOn 16 Oct 2013, at 07:40, "djaflyact" wrote:=0A =0A> =0A> Hello Europa Builders,=0A> I've been off this list for a while, b ut here I am again. I've got the mono wheel motor glider with about 550 hou rs on it now. I believe mine was the first customer long wing to fly.=0A> =0A> Now I am starting the infamous Mod 78. Has anyone successfully done th is mod themselves yet? I have just started by pulling the wings and organiz ing the hangar in anticipation of the big job. The first thing I have notic ed is the front pin and socket on the fuselage has significantly more play in it than the original socket. Was this socket replacement due to a struct ural considerations or just the make the rigging easier? It seems that sock et location sets the angle if incidence and I would think there should be v irtually no play there. The pin has a shoulder on it and I was thinking tha t the shoulder was what does the trick. It doesn't seem to, though.=0A> =0A > On the other hand, I did see a couple small parts wrapped in the package, so possibly there is some part I am not considering. I have not seen any d rawings or pictures of the new socket.=0A> =0A> I hope this mod goes well. After getting all the angles and rigging set, its hard to tear that all apa rt again - especially after flying it for over 10 years now.=0A> =0A> Thank s,=0A> =0A> Dave Anderson=0A> A227 - Motorglider (no short wings)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronic s.com/viewtopic.php?p=410680#410680=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A ==================== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:55 AM PST US From: Steve Eberhart Subject: Europa-List: KEVV - Evansville Indiana EAA Chapter 21 Wings and Wheels this weekend Our Third Annual Wings and Wheels event is this Saturday We have had over 200 Cruisers at each of our first two Wings and Wheels This year should continue building on our great start. Cruise-In or Fly-In and help us set a new attendance record this year 10:00 AM till 3:00 PM Central time. Tri-State Aero (KEVV), Ramp and Parking Lot. Here are some pics of previous Wings and wheels. Our 2013 Wings and Wheels event will be at Tri-State Aero October 19th, 2013. http://www.eaa21.org/WingsandWheels.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka1Sg7tmULc http://www.eaa21.org/coppermine1/thumbnails.php?album=2 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:12 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: MOD 78 From: "djaflyact" Well..... I didn't notice the two little boxes with bearings that must be pressed into the sockets. That is the difference, because with those in there, the fit to the pin is very good. That issue is solved. I'll just say this for the record. The aviation business has always amazed me. When a company makes a mistake in design, the customer ends up paying the price to resolve the issue. It almost makes you wonder if companies will make mistakes on purpose so they can make money on the users fixing their design screw ups. I know the Europa is a good airplane and I am sure they did not do this on purpose, but I just shelled out a huge amount of money for what is essentially very little hardware to fix a design problem they created. To make matters worse, if this doesn't go right, I could end up destroying my airplane. The airplane is great to fly. It is extremely fuel efficient. With the 914 engine, it climbs like a U2 and goes as high as I want to go. If you lose and engine, all you think about is what caused it and not the urgency of landing in a field. It is the first general aviation airplane I have flown that I need to pay attention to how high I am going, because even in cruise climb of about 95 knots, it climbs about 800fpm all the way to 18,000 feet. Now if I can just make the wing strong enough to keep me from worrying about it breaking! I attempted to attach a picture of the forward socket with the little bearing next to it. I'll post updates as the mod goes forward. My plan is to start it on Monday. The spar is the wing, therefor it is extremely important to get this right. The rest is fluff. Dave A227 914 Motorglider 500TT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410727#410727 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fron_pin_soket_134.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:08 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: MOD 78 Good to see you back Dave. Have often wondered what happened to you and if you were still flying your long wing. It's great to know that you have. Best of luck doing the mod, I'm sure you will make a success of it. 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