Europa-List Digest Archive

Fri 10/18/13


Total Messages Posted: 5



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     1. 01:34 AM - Re: SB15-v- clamps (Patrick Tunney)
     2. 06:54 AM - Re: Mine's Pink! (tennant)
     3. 07:52 AM - Re: Mine's Pink! (Scudrunner)
     4. 02:01 PM - Re: MOD 78 (djaflyact)
     5. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: MOD 78 (Neville Eyre)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:34:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: SB15-v- clamps
    From: "Patrick Tunney" <ptunney@intergen.com>
    Just another point based on Bob Harrison's message, the clamps that will be supplied are the MK2 style clamps as detailed in LAA Standard Mod SM11906. As always and previously mentioned - i take no credit for the clamp concept, this is down to Bob Harrison. SM11906 offers an alternative solution utilising the clamp concept. Regards Pat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410806#410806 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/europa_sm11906_rev2_104.pdf


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    Time: 06:54:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Mine's Pink!
    From: "tennant" <barrington.tennant@gmail.com>
    Hi Howard, Take care. You will still need the wooden spacer as the new block is the same size and seems to be softer. Without it the plane will be considerably lower to the ground. Got the T-Shirt on that one ! -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410810#410810


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    Time: 07:52:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Mine's Pink!
    From: "Scudrunner" <howardbrooksster@gmail.com>
    OK, thanks for that. I thought the black block was supposed to be harder than the pink/red one. Why the change? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410815#410815


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    Time: 02:01:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: MOD 78
    From: "djaflyact" <djaflyact@gmail.com>
    Thanks for the inputs. I got the idea to use the "intensifier board" as a template to check the clearance with the tank and all inside the airplane. Also, the mold metal needs to be fixed tightly to the wood part as if I use it now, the spar will be slightly larger. There is a small gap in places. I will be very careful with this to make sure it works. I've flown it for 10 years now. I don't think it has the 27 to 1 glide ratio, but possibly 24:1. It certainly is a better option for safety when flying over the mountains. I can plan my flights to always be able to make it to an airport. My best flight in thermals near Minden has been climbing from 9,000 to 16,300 feet. I could have gone higher, but it was time to land. The biggest problem with the airplane is parking it at a transient airport. The wing span has been an issue at times. It will fit in a tiedown, but I have had issues with some airport managers about parking it. It has gone through a series of avionics changes over the years - starting with vacuum gyros and ending up with the Dynon Skyview with a panel mounted iPad Mini with WingX Pro and an iLevil AHRS and ADS B. Sure wish we had that technology in the airlines. It is frustrating to taxi in the fog as I did this morning in Paris and not have the geo referenced airport diagram. There is a safety possibility there that is easy for me to provide as an individual, yet I can't use it due to the big certification issue. Anyway - thanks for all the inputs. Onward and upward! Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410830#410830


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    Time: 03:15:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: MOD 78
    From: Neville Eyre <neveyre@aol.com>
    Hi Dave, [& Ron P and any other interested parties] Couple of tricks with this, Buy a cheap 4'' angle grinder, grinding the carbon off the spar will **** i t completely ! Use 40 grit discs, don't let the heat build up, don't keep t he grinder in one place for too long, wear disposable overalls, good goggle s and mask, do the grinding outside with your back to the wind ! Finnish wi th a Permagrit block, or 40 grit paper on a board. Ignore the instructions re cutting the carbon tows. You will need 7 bundle s of 16 tows, 17' long. Set up 3 doors end to end on trestles to give you a 18'+ bench, alongside t he wing, cover it in polythene. Set up the two reels of carbon on some sor t of spindle at the wing tip end of the bench. Pull 2 tows off the reels an d tape to the far [root ] end of the bench, tape the reel end of the tows to the bench at the 17' mark, cut and pull out another pair, tape both ends of each pair, repeat until you have 8 sets of pairs [16 tows] spread out s o they are about 1'' wide. Unstick the tape and fold the [ 8 layers of ] ta pe over to hold the bundle together. Move it to one side of the bench, tape the bundle down with tension in it to keep the fibres straight. Repeat thi s six times so you have the 7 bundles of 16 tows, 17' long. True up the alloy flange of the mould, you may need to add more screws. Cov er the mould with packing tape, wax and release with PVA release. Bolt moul d to the tang [ KINK IN MOULD IS ON BOTTOM ] with a released 1/2'' bolt, wa shers. Wind some PVC tape on the shank of the bolt to take up the bore of t he bush hole in the spar. Trap peel ply between tang and mould, with enough hanging out the side to be able to wrap over the new rovings and onto the top of the tang. Open up the hole in the Intensifier to allow it to drop ov er the nut on the bolt holding the mould to the tang. Tape / wax the Intens ifier. Get G [C ?] Clamps ready, at least 6, with wood packing etc... do a couple of dry runs.... 2 person job.... mix the epoxy in small batches [200 grms] tape a bundle to what will be the ''wet area'' of the polythene covered bench, held in tens ion to keep the fibres straight, and wet out the tows with a foam roller, w ork up and down the tows so you have a 1'' wide flat ''tape'' of rovings, g o up and down with the foam roller several times so it is fully saturated. Peel the bundle off the bench and pull it through fingers and thumb to remo ve excess resin, and let it neck down to be a 5/16'' rope. Cut the rope as described in the Instructions [ taper], wet out the peel ply in the mould s o it is up against the side, lay the rope into the mould, start up against the outside wall of the mould, filling in and upwards, keep the ropes as st raight as you can [ no twisting of the ropes].Force them tight with a mixin g stick, ensure there are no voids. Person 1 tends to the ropes in the moul d while Person 2 mixes epoxy and wets out the bundles. When the cavity is full, flop the peel ply over and wet out onto the top surface of the tang, cover with polythene, fit the Intensifier and clamp it all down firmly. Instructions tell you to cut the new tip of the tang off on the Stb tang... .. ??? I made a end wall to the mould for the Stb tang to the correct dimen sions so you are moulding the rovings to the required shape, keeps continui ty of the rovings and is faster to do than sawing through the cured carbon / epoxy !! Hope this helps, get back to me if any of this is not clear ? Got a few tricks / tips for the wrap part of the Mod, will post those later . Cheers, Nev -----Original Message----- From: djaflyact <djaflyact@gmail.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 4:29 am Subject: Europa-List: Re: MOD 78 Well..... I didn't notice the two little boxes with bearings that must be pressed into the sockets. That is the difference, because with those in the re, the fit to the pin is very good. That issue is solved. I'll just say this for the record. The aviation business has always amazed me. When a company makes a mistake in design, the customer ends up paying the p rice to resolve the issue. It almost makes you wonder if companies will make mis takes on purpose so they can make money on the users fixing their design screw up s. I know the Europa is a good airplane and I am sure they did not do this on purpose, but I just shelled out a huge amount of money for what is essentia lly very little hardware to fix a design problem they created. To make matters worse, if this doesn't go right, I could end up destroying my airplane. The airplane is great to fly. It is extremely fuel efficient. With the 914 engine, it climbs like a U2 and goes as high as I want to go. If you lose a nd engine, all you think about is what caused it and not the urgency of landin g in a field. It is the first general aviation airplane I have flown that I nee d to pay attention to how high I am going, because even in cruise climb of about 95 knots, it climbs about 800fpm all the way to 18,000 feet. Now if I can just make the wing strong enough to keep me from worrying about it breaking! I attempted to attach a picture of the forward socket with the little beari ng next to it. I'll post updates as the mod goes forward. My plan is to start it on Monday . The spar is the wing, therefor it is extremely important to get this right. The rest is fluff. Dave A227 914 Motorglider 500TT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410727#410727 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fron_pin_soket_134.jpg




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