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1. 03:42 AM - Re: Re: Battery questions (David Joyce)
2. 03:56 AM - Re: Classic Centre Console (spcialeffects)
3. 04:21 AM - Dummy spars (spcialeffects)
4. 05:09 AM - Re: Re: Classic Centre Console (Carl Pattinson)
5. 06:42 AM - KEVV - Evansville Indiana EAA Chapter 21 Wings and Wheels this weekend (Steve Eberhart)
6. 08:16 AM - Re: Dummy spars (Andrew Sarangan)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: Dummy spars (David Joyce)
8. 08:49 AM - Re: Dummy spars (Richard Wheelwright)
9. 10:00 AM - Re: Dummy spars (Rob Housman)
10. 01:39 PM - Re: Battery questions (Alan Carter)
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| Subject: | Re: Battery questions |
Alan, I work on the assumption that if I keep my Odyssey
battery in good nick and replace it before it dies then I
should have a significant proportion of the nominal17 amp
hrs available when/if the rectifier packs up. The Rotax
maintenance manual gives the current demands of the pump
as 2 amps at lower pressures rising to 3 at highest
pressure. With the ammeter fitted to my plane I can
readily see what usage I have as I switch off inessential
items. As I remember it when my rectifier packed up over
the North Sea the fuel pump took something nearer 2 amps
than 3 with radio on as well.
I wouldn't rely on being able to fly for lots of
hours over sea but would be pretty comfortable about
flying a few hours over land to get home, rather than put
down somewhere totally inconvenient and get stuck until a
new rectifier arrived. For glider pilots this is after
all, the normal modus operandi, and you get to be fairly
relaxed about popping it into a field if your means of
staying airborne disappears!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:18:14 -0700
"Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
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> Hi David.
> You have flown to some wonderful places, Im UK only no
>longer have that confidence, when i was in my 20s yes I
>would have.
> Im no expert on the plane never looked into it, but all
>the planes I have flown the engine is entirely separate
>from the aircrafts electrics and you have just confirmed
>that with Master off and Alternator off and the a pump
>and spark keeps the engine going, or should do.
> So the spark is not influenced by either switch,
> and the pump get it power from either a separate circuit
>within the Alternator or the battery which will slowly
>run down.
> Rotax must say somewhere how long you have on battery
>and pump only.
> or maybe not?
> We know with the Master and Alternator off the engine
>will run OK.
> But with a serviceable system how do I check its failure
>capabilities ??
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> Regards
> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Centre Console |
So after much thought I have decided to do mod 24, however I'm abit scared to make
the first cut of the centre console as it seems to be quite a drastic mod
to get extra bum room but I am going to do it. I just wanted to ask, before I
start it, to anyone here who has done this mod if they could post some pictures,
give any tips but most of all how far into the tunnel did you go? I.e how much
extra bum space did you achieve. Now the instruction sheet I have says to
make sure you miss the rudder cables and flap arm but I am looking at doing this
mod with the bear module so it is easier to lay up the inside so any measurements
would be appricated. Failing all of that if you are selling an XS module
please contact me also. Thanks Frank
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If anyone has a set of dummy spars I could borrow or buy I would be very grateful
as this will allow me to put my fuselage in many more positions within my workshop
then rigging the wings. Thank Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Centre Console |
I don't have a copy of mod 24 to hand but seem to remember the factory method was
a bit of a "bodge" IMHO which is why we opted for a different solution. We
created our LA inserts on the workbench (in the shape of a half kidney) then
reduxed them onto the hole we had cut in the cockpit module sides - then 4 layers
of bid inside and outside at the join edges for added strength.
I would be inclined to leave this as late in the build as possible as you really
need the swinging arm and tyre in place to get an accurate fit. We got it wrong
first time around and the tyre jammed in the up position - solved that little
hitch by fitting a narrower tyre and judicious use of a hot air gun to reform
the bulge in the LA inserts.
With hindsight I think it would be possible to construct the innermost bid layer
of the LA bulge once the wheel was in place. It would then be relatively easy
(once cured) to bond in the thin foam layer and complete the outside layers
of bid from outside. If you had access to a vacuum pump you could vacuum mould
the foam and bid layers onto the original inner layers of glass which would give
a strong air free structure.
I have some pics somewhere - will try and dig them out.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
Sent from my ASUS Pad
spcialeffects <spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote:
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>So after much thought I have decided to do mod 24, however I'm abit scared to
make the first cut of the centre console as it seems to be quite a drastic mod
to get extra bum room but I am going to do it. I just wanted to ask, before I
start it, to anyone here who has done this mod if they could post some pictures,
give any tips but most of all how far into the tunnel did you go? I.e how
much extra bum space did you achieve. Now the instruction sheet I have says to
make sure you miss the rudder cables and flap arm but I am looking at doing this
mod with the bear module so it is easier to lay up the inside so any measurements
would be appricated. Failing all of that if you are selling an XS module
please contact me also. Thanks Frank
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410863#410863
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| Subject: | KEVV - Evansville Indiana EAA Chapter 21 Wings and Wheels |
this weekend
Our Third Annual Wings and Wheels event is this Saturday
We have had over 200 Cruisers at each of our first two Wings and
Wheels This year should continue building on our great start.
Cruise-In or Fly-In and help us set a new attendance record this year
10:00 AM till 3:00 PM Central time.
Tri-State Aero (KEVV), Ramp and Parking Lot.
Here are some pics of previous Wings and wheels. Our 2013 Wings
and Wheels event will be at Tri-State Aero October 19th, 2013.
http://www.eaa21.org/WingsandWheels.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka1Sg7tmULc
http://www.eaa21.org/coppermine1/thumbnails.php?album=2
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I do have a dummy spar which I have no use for, so I can send it to
you if needed.
On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend using the dummy spars for
aligning the spars to the cockpit module. It only takes a fraction of
a mm misalignment of the bushings to make the pin insertion and
retraction very stiff.
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, spcialeffects <spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote:
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> If anyone has a set of dummy spars I could borrow or buy I would be very grateful
as this will allow me to put my fuselage in many more positions within my
workshop then rigging the wings. Thank Frank
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410864#410864
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Frank, I would advise making your own, lining them up
precicely on your wing spars and only doing it when you
are ready to use them. If they are made of wood or most
anything non metallic there is a danger of change in
humidity altering their dimensions oherwise. Regards,
David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:15:42 -0400
Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I do have a dummy spar which I have no use for, so I can
>send it to
> you if needed.
>
> On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend using the dummy
>spars for
> aligning the spars to the cockpit module. It only takes
>a fraction of
> a mm misalignment of the bushings to make the pin
>insertion and
> retraction very stiff.
>
>
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> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, spcialeffects
><spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote:
>><spcialeffects@aol.com>
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>> If anyone has a set of dummy spars I could borrow or buy
>>I would be very grateful as this will allow me to put my
>>fuselage in many more positions within my workshop then
>>rigging the wings. Thank Frank
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410864#410864
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Frank,
I also recommend using the wings.
I also have a dummy spar you can have (Never Used)
--------
Richard Wheelwright
G-IRPW
First Flight 24th July 2013
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I must take exception to the part about "...make the pin insertion and
retraction very stiff." In my case the word "impossible" is substituted for
"stiff." The "dummy" in dummy spar is the builder who uses it.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS A070
Rotax 914
Airframe complete
Avionics a work in progress
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dummy spars
I do have a dummy spar which I have no use for, so I can send it to you if
needed.
On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend using the dummy spars for aligning
the spars to the cockpit module. It only takes a fraction of a mm
misalignment of the bushings to make the pin insertion and retraction very
stiff.
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, spcialeffects <spcialeffects@aol.com>
wrote:
> --> <spcialeffects@aol.com>
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> If anyone has a set of dummy spars I could borrow or buy I would be
> very grateful as this will allow me to put my fuselage in many more
> positions within my workshop then rigging the wings. Thank Frank
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410864#410864
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| Subject: | Re: Battery questions |
Hi David.
That all seems reasonable, nothing to gripe there,
But to check the wiring and operation of a working serviceable system, and see
it is functioning correctly as per wiring if correctly done, as there is no testing
circuit, I guess the only way is to have the engine running and remove on
of the battery leads, to check the engine and pumps will solely running on the
power from the Alternator. Maybe some one has a better way to check this.
Regards
Alan
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