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1. 12:24 AM - Re: MGL Avionics Primary Flight Display =?utf-8?Q?.is?= anyone using them (David Joyce)
2. 02:42 AM - Fred Kleins P51 Fairings for Aussie Builder (Tony Renshaw)
3. 02:46 AM - =?windows-1252?Q?Fred_Kleins_P51_Wing_Fairings_for_Aussie_Builde?= =?windows-1252?Q?r=85=2EDISREGARD=85=3ESORRY? (Tony Renshaw)
4. 04:32 AM - Re: MGL Avionics Primary Flight Display =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=85?=.is anyone using them (ploucandco)
5. 05:07 AM - Re: Rotax TCU software (Greg Fuchs)
6. 05:25 AM - Remote AHARS?? (Tony Renshaw)
7. 06:03 AM - Re: Remote AHARS?? (Peter Zutrauen)
8. 06:41 AM - Battery questions ()
9. 09:16 AM - Re: MGL Avionics Primary Flight Display =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=85?=.is anyone using them (AirEupora)
10. 09:39 AM - Re: Battery questions (Fred Klein)
11. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: MOD 78 (Neville Eyre)
12. 11:53 AM - Re: MGL Avionics Primary Flight Display =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=85?=.is anyone using them (N6ZY)
13. 01:16 PM - Cockit ventilation (pjeffers@talktalk.net)
14. 01:32 PM - Re: Cockit ventilation (Fred Klein)
15. 01:38 PM - Re: Cockit ventilation (Robert Borger)
16. 01:51 PM - Re: MOD 78 (djaflyact)
17. 01:56 PM - Re: Cockit ventilation (gtagr)
18. 01:59 PM - Re: Cockit ventilation (Steven Pitt)
19. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: MOD 78 (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
20. 02:51 PM - Re: Remote AHARS?? (Tony Renshaw)
21. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Cockit ventilation (pjeffers@talktalk.net)
22. 03:00 PM - Re: Cockit ventilation (pjeffers@talktalk.net)
23. 06:57 PM - =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:__Re:_MGL_Avionics_Primary_Flight_Display?= =?Windows-1252?Q?_=85.is_anyone_using_them? (Christoph Both)
24. 09:00 PM - Re: MOD 78 (djaflyact)
25. 11:37 PM - Re: MGL Avionics Primary Flight Display =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=85?=.is anyone using them (pestar)
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| Subject: | Re: MGL Avionics Primary Flight Display =?utf-8?Q?.is?= |
anyone using them
Tony, we looked at the MGL series when we were looking for
a small radio for our local Build a Plane, School project.
It and the EFIs looked good, but unfortunately the
manufacturers have not gone to the trouble of getting them
accepted by the european powers that be so it is not legal
to use an MGL radio on european planes, which will
probably have discouraged folk from looking too seriously
at the rest of their range.
Regards, David Joyce, G- XSDJ
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 09:50:35 +1100
Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Gidday,
> MGL Avionics have been around a while now, and I am
>wondering if anyone has chosen them over Dynon or GRT, or
>another EFIS manufacturer of favour who's name escapes
>me? They have a new 8.5 and 10.4" touchscreen, high
>resolution display, but I believe brightness is probably
>the most important thing. I do know that their operating
>system allows a significant amount of presentation
>modifying which might suit some builders whilst it can
>also lead to potential instability problems when compared
>with a tried and locked down operating system. Any input
>much appreciated.
>
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
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| Subject: | Fred Kleins P51 Fairings for Aussie Builder |
Hi Frans,
I've been talking to Fred about his mouldings which he has told me, you
have also installed on your plane. When you've got a minute, can you
speed type the min amount to tell me/show me the way you did them, and
why? I have mine out of the box on the side of the aircraft and am
considering the best way of tackling this. To start with though I am
going to do the LE to match his profile, which I plan on starting
tomorrow. Did you use blue foam as your profiling medium to layup yours
onto??
Any help, like always much appreciated.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
P.S. You have the Schicke Regulator on your 914?? I want to buy one
believe there are issues exporting them, and that no one in the business
speaks English, which is surprising in this day and age.
On 20/10/2013, at 10:01 PM, houlihan <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> HI Fran.
>
> Having had a regulator failure recently I agree with your message
though in my case the capacitor then failed within a few minutes and
vented its internals past the windscreen.
> Just for information if you have the Schicke regulator installed they
say that the capacitor is no longer required, also over ten years ago I
fitted the overvoltage protection module that was widely mentioned in
the Europa Flyer of the time. This actually worked for me and maybe it
saved my radio and transponder and other stuff from being damaged .
>
> Tim
> G-BZTH
>
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> On 20 October 2013 11:22, Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
wrote:
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> On 10/19/2013 10:39 PM, Alan Carter wrote:
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> > But to check the wiring and operation of a working serviceable
> > system, and see it is functioning correctly as per wiring if
> > correctly done, as there is no testing circuit, I guess the only
> > way is to have the engine running and remove on of the battery
> > leads, to check the engine and pumps will solely running on the
> > power from the Alternator. Maybe some one has a better way to check
> > this.
>
> Make sure the capacitor is installed if you do that. Without the
> capacitor, the system may start surging, destroying all running
> avionics in the process.
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> The capacitor acts as a very tiny battery, just large enough to buffer
> some of the charge, damping out oscillations in the voltage feed back
> system of the "rectifier".
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> Frans
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Gidday,
Finger trouble. Meant to send off list. Sorry.
TR
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| Subject: | Re: MGL Avionics Primary Flight Display =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=85?=.is |
anyone using them
Tony, I am sure that MGL avionics are making very advanced products. But when I
read some comments on forums like this one
http://www.mglavionicsusers.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1750
I would be very careful to invest a significant amount on money on these products.
Especially if it is the main EFIS of your beloved plane.
>From another perspective, when I see the consolidation that is going on in the
avionics market for experimental aircrafts, e.g. Dynon invested in advanced flight
systems or Garmin came up with a dedicated line of products, it is clear
that the market is maturing and smaller players will get acquired or disappear.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411063#411063
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| Subject: | Rotax TCU software |
program link obtained...thanks.
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fuchs
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 3:19 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax TCU software
To Forum,
I have searched, but so far have not been able to find the software for the
Rotax914 TCU part# 966 470.
Could someone please forward it to me in email?
It also requires a dongle, and I have heard of someone having success with a
straight-thru cable, so I will start there unless redirected..
Thanks,
Greg A050
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Gidday,
There was a thread recently I believe regarding a system that used a remote sensor
mounted mid ships somewhere that fed the Flight Displays........some thing
like Lievel ?. If anyone can help,with what this was all about, with such limited
information, I'd appreciate being pointed in the right direction.
Thanks.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Remote AHARS?? |
Many of the EFIS's use remote AHRS units (Grandrapids for example), others
do not (Dynon?). I had posted about the Leviltechnologies AHRSG-mini with
air-data which is a wireless (Wifi), battery powered (can be hard wired to
ship power) remote unit which displays on the IPAD using a variety of
available apps. I had made a remote pitot-pod which I clamped on the strut
of a a certified tube&rag Canuck to get a six-pack in a plane where half
the instruments were inop (!). Now I`m using it hardwired in the fuse
behind the seat of a tiny HummelBird (until my Europa eventually gets into
formation).
I find it works well, and is stable. The refresh rate could be better (at
about 2hz), but for the price and versatility I can`t complain.
http://www.aviation.levil.com/AHRS_mini.htm
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Gidday,
> There was a thread recently I believe regarding a system that used a
> remote sensor mounted mid ships somewhere that fed the Flight
> Displays........some thing like Lievel ?. If anyone can help,with what
> this was all about, with such limited information, I'd appreciate being
> pointed in the right direction.
> Thanks.
>
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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| Subject: | Battery questions |
At the risk of sounding the Old Man Bell, may I support Fred,
Frans, Kevin and David in their suggestions on care and feeding of
batteries?
The F-86 had four hydraulic systems mainly because one is never
enough. Without suitable hydraulic power, the Sword became a lawn dart as
there was no direct physical connection with the flight controls. The engine
produced preferred hydraulic pressure, the battery a back-up.
The word was - if you must reduce demand from or shut down the
engine, the battery would produce sufficient power to operate one system and
get you back to the bar in good order. With this puerile acceptance we
wheeled and spun about the blue.
One day, a thinking Engineering Officer cranked a Sword up on
orange boxes and sat aboard with only the battery, gear retracted, wheeling
and dealing with abandon. Of course there was no resistance from moving the
flight controls in the air at speed, but it lasted four and a half minutes.
Even supersonic dives couldn't get you on the runway before she froze.
In those days there was no hacking of the web, so everything was
done by telephone. Don't tell the drivers - so alternate circumstances
grounded each machine until new batteries were tested and installed. I still
think about this, sixty-five years later.
Mind the battery.
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: MGL Avionics Primary Flight Display =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=85?=.is |
anyone using them
I bought the MGL Voyager about four years ago. It just fits the Europa panel.
MGL operates under the idea that each unit can be improved on and the software
is being update almost monthly. There is a lot of things it can do and there
are a lot of things that have been possible in the future, but it comes with
a cost of staying ahead of the curve.
Dynon sell a nice unit, but you are locked in as to what the unit will do.
MGL is introducing new products and improve there older products. MY Voyager started
life as a G1 and will soon be undated to a G3. The software has been updated
to do many things.
If you want to lock on only one thing then the Dynon is a good match. If you are
looking to the future then the MGL units will be what you want, but you have
to learn a lot to use the full capacity that they offer.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411105#411105
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| Subject: | Re: Battery questions |
Love it Ferg...thanks...Fred
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On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:43 AM, <f.kyle@sympatico.ca> <f.kyle@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> At the risk of sounding the Old Man Bell, may I support
Fred, Frans, Kevin and David in their suggestions on care and feeding of
batteries?
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Hi Dave,
Tows / rovings, sorry, same thing.
Cut the taper on the wet out ''rope'' and tuck it into the narrow end, smoo
th it down into the mould around the end of the spar and tuck it in the oth
er narrow end, snipping off at the angle again. With the bench set up so th
e root end of the bench is in line with the wing skin root, you can tug the
rope along the bench directly into the mould.
17' was the length I worked out would give the least waste without having a
bench miles long [At Europa they have a rack of 15 spools which feed thro
ugh a wet bath of resin, this must be how they worked out you needed 15metr
es of 15 tows to do the job, can you imagine the mess trying to do that DIY
?]
6'' pneumatic sander is ideal, but a 9'' electric one would be too fierce,
just go softly softly so as not to create too much heat.
New spar depth shouldn't be an issue with a pure motorglider, only with Mon
o retrofits, could be resolved by changing the flap pushrod for a Teleflex
type cable, G-YURO had such originally, I could probably work something out
if anyone needed to go that way ?
With the original root rib to spar lay up [ 6 Bids], grind them off the spa
r completely and feather them off the rib by 1'' per ply, so over a 6'' are
a. So down to 1 Bid in the corner to nothing off at 6''. Large belt sander
and a block by hand to do that, you will see the ''tide mark'' of shiny res
in at the end of each ply as you sand through. Scuff sand past that and whe
n you replace those lay ups, finish on the spar as per Manual, and start th
e lay ups on the rib 9'' from the spar with a 1'' stagger so the last of th
e 6 plies is 3'' from the spar.
You will find carbon dust ending up EVERYWHERE ! Do it outside and let your
neighbours have some !
Cheers,
Nev
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From: djaflyact <djaflyact@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 4:19 pm
Subject: Europa-List: Re: MOD 78
Thanks Nev! I am copying your notes and taking them to the hangar. I am get
ting
a bit lost in the terms "tows". "rovings". I'm a bit confused about the pac
king
of the carbon fibre in the mold. Does it wedge into the narrow end and stop
, or
does it loop and come back out? I am guessing it wedges in, but I am not su
re
what the significance of the 17 foot length is. It would be great if Europa
had
a video of the installation of the carbon into the mold.
I am committed to the project now. I've been thinking for month about how h
ard
it would be to remove the bushings from the spar tang. It went very well wi
th
heat and it looks like I will be actually grinding tomorrow or the next day
on
the first victim. I bought a 6 inch pneumatic grinder and hope that will wo
rk,
but I might be able to fit a 4 inch head on it if necessary.
I did a test fit of the intensifier board and it looks like I have plenty o
f
clearance from the tank and the items below.
Is it necessary to remove the fibre glass layers from the root rib, or coul
d I
sand and glass over them - making it thicker and heavier, but avoids grindi
ng at
the root rib - along with the glass used to secure the wing root fairing.
Thanks! Dave
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| Subject: | Re: MGL Avionics Primary Flight Display =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=85?=.is |
anyone using them
When I started shopping for an EFIS, I was very tempted by the MGL units. I eventually
did not go with them because, although very entrepreneurial, they keep
changing the configuration and, worse, let you change it. I do not want to
go IFR with a configuration that is not stable and extensively fleet tested.
After 20 years in military avionics, I am very keen on configuration management.
You are right, with Dynon, you get what they offer with no changes. I tend to
think that they are really aiming at the VFR and LSA market. After an extensive
search, I ended up choosing between Advanced Flight Systems and Grand Rapids
Technology. AFS costs more, and just got bought out by Dynon, so I am going
with GRT.
I had an earlier version of their system, and can vouch for the quality of their
products. And Greg, who owns GRT, is open to changes where they are justified.
Also he recommends that you do not fly IFR with his latest software until
there is extensive fleet experience. They do not get as much publicity, but
I think that they currently have the best and most reliable products.
Jerry Fisher
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| Subject: | Cockit ventilation |
=0AHi,=0AI have recently become the owner of a Tri Gear Euro
pa and have already found the need for better flight deck
ventilation. I have been looking at various devices to solv
e this requirement and wondered what simple solutions others h
ad found. =0AThe side Europa NACA vents are effective at coo
ling my knees but not much good for anything else, and the
y have fallen apart with winter approaching. Psssst=0AI have b
een looking at the 'ULTIMATE VENTILATOR' from Spruce. Any
thoughts???=0A=0APete=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Cockit ventilation |
On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:15 PM, pjeffers@talktalk.net wrote:
> I have been looking at the 'ULTIMATE VENTILATOR' from Spruce. Any
thoughts???
>
Pete...users swear by them not at them...Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Cockit ventilation |
Hi Pete,
I have them in my Europa. They provide an impressive quantity of air.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:15 PM, pjeffers@talktalk.net wrote:
Hi,
I have recently become the owner of a Tri Gear Europa and have already
found the need for better flight deck ventilation. I have been looking
at various devices to solve this requirement and wondered what simple
solutions others had found.
The side Europa NACA vents are effective at cooling my knees but not
much good for anything else, and they have fallen apart with winter
approaching. Psssst
I have been looking at the 'ULTIMATE VENTILATOR' from Spruce. Any
thoughts???
Pete
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Thanks Nev. I have ground one spar tang today. Had to quit due to roasting in the
sun and just the mess of it. I'm wondering if anyone has done this mod on a
flying airplane. The reason I ask is that the speed brake control tufnol block
is right there where the fiberglass is layed up against the root rib. To grind
those payers off the root rib, I would ahve to remove the controls for the
speed brakes and also the ailerons. What I was hoping to do is leave the fiberglass
on the spar out about 2 to 3 inches and then add the new layers as called
for in the build manual, but only run them up the root rib where possible. Otherwise,
the new plies would essentially splice onto the existing pile on the
root rib. Where I can run them up the root rib, it would be thicker than called
for in the manual. There is also the issue of the glass that is holding on
the wing root fairing, which is why I'm asking about not taking off the layers
that are now on the root rib.
I'm still getting lost in the terminology - roves - tows, etc. Is there a source
on the internet that defines what these terms mean?
I'm attaching a photo of it now, with the intensifier board on top for scale.
Oh - How far does the carbon fibre cloth go toward the rot rib? ALl the way to
the 90 degree corner?
Off to shower off the dust - you are right - it goes everywhere. I am wearing a
space suit and I still get it on me.
Dave
PS On one spar, There was a spot of somthing that looks almost like sap in a spot
when I was grinding the shear web layers - toward the wing root. Like a pocket
of sap or a pocket of something that was not cured. This is about a 12 year
old spar.
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| Subject: | Re: Cockit ventilation |
Peter, I have one mounted in each side 'quarter panel' of my windshield, very effective
and I only have good things to say about them . . . except the $94 each
price perhaps. Let me know if a pic would be useful. Clive.
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| Subject: | Re: Cockit ventilation |
Pete - it may not be what you are looking for but Ian Rickard's add on
vent to the inside gets rid of the cold knee syndrome and stops water
weeping through the NACA vents. Using the eyeball vent inside it also
gives you a modicum or directionality.
See my aircraft when you get home.
Steve
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From: pjeffers@talktalk.net
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:15 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Cockit ventilation
Hi,
I have recently become the owner of a Tri Gear Europa and have already
found the need for better flight deck ventilation. I have been looking
at various devices to solve this requirement and wondered what simple
solutions others had found.
The side Europa NACA vents are effective at cooling my knees but not
much good for anything else, and they have fallen apart with winter
approaching. Psssst
I have been looking at the 'ULTIMATE VENTILATOR' from Spruce. Any
thoughts???
Pete
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Dave=0AI don't think you should shorten the added layups, that runs the ris
k of creating a sudden change of stiffness which would act as a stress rais
er. Not what you want in a spar. =0AWe need the wing to bend smoothly , mos
tly out towards the tip where high loading (gust etc) will result in bendin
g and =0Agust aleviation. With the original spar too much of the bending oc
curs in the spar tangs.=0AAll gliders have bendy wings and most of them giv
e a reasonably smooth ride in rough air. You don't get that with an excessi
vely stiff wing. You also get disruption of the laminar flow if the wing do
esn't flex. This was explained in Soaring mag 20 years ago (maybe 30!) by W
ill Schumann. He chopped 2 metres off the tips of an ASW17 Open class glide
r, (hot ship at the time) The wing then became too stiff and the performanc
e was way below what he had calculated.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________
____________________=0A From: djaflyact <djaflyact@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-
list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, 22 October 2013, 21:51=0ASubject: Euro
<djaflyact@gmail.com>=0A=0AThanks Nev. I have ground one spar tang today.
Had to quit due to roasting in the sun and just the mess of it. I'm wonderi
ng if anyone has done this mod on a flying airplane. The reason I ask is th
at the speed brake control tufnol block is right there where the fiberglass
is layed up against the root rib. To grind those payers off the root rib,
I would ahve to remove the controls for the speed brakes and also the ailer
ons. What I was hoping to do is leave the fiberglass on the spar out about
2 to 3 inches and then add the new layers as called for in the build manual
, but only run them up the root rib where possible. Otherwise, the new plie
s would essentially splice onto the existing pile on the root rib. Where I
can run them up the root rib, it would be thicker than called for in the ma
nual. There is also the issue of the glass that is holding on the wing root
fairing, which is why I'm asking about not taking off the layers that are
now on the root rib.=0A=0AI'm still getting lost in the terminology - roves
- tows, etc. Is there a source on the internet that defines what these ter
ms mean?=0A=0AI'm attaching a photo of it now, with the intensifier board o
n top for scale.=0A=0AOh - How far does the carbon fibre cloth go toward th
e rot rib? ALl the way to the 90 degree corner?=0A=0AOff to shower off the
dust - you are right - it goes everywhere. I am wearing a space suit and I
still get it on me.=0A=0A=0ADave=0A=0APS On one spar, There was a spot of s
omthing that looks almost like sap in a spot when I was grinding the shear
web layers - toward the wing root.- Like a pocket of sap or a pocket of s
omething that was not cured. This is about a 12 year old spar.=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
php?p=411138#411138=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matron
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Great.
Thanks for that. Look fwd to the vid. At a similar stage it seems with
our panels. I am going to have the two standard removable panels. Here
is how I shaped my templates.
Next I am going to use
http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=1264&step=2&top_cat=181
for my panel.
On 23/10/2013, at 12:02 AM, Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
> Many of the EFIS's use remote AHRS units (Grandrapids for example),
others do not (Dynon?). I had posted about the Leviltechnologies
AHRSG-mini with air-data which is a wireless (Wifi), battery powered
(can be hard wired to ship power) remote unit which displays on the IPAD
using a variety of available apps. I had made a remote pitot-pod which
I clamped on the strut of a a certified tube&rag Canuck to get a
six-pack in a plane where half the instruments were inop (!). Now I`m
using it hardwired in the fuse behind the seat of a tiny HummelBird
(until my Europa eventually gets into formation).
>
> I find it works well, and is stable. The refresh rate could be better
(at about 2hz), but for the price and versatility I can`t complain.
>
> http://www.aviation.levil.com/AHRS_mini.htm
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote:
<tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
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> Gidday,
> There was a thread recently I believe regarding a system that used a
remote sensor mounted mid ships somewhere that fed the Flight
Displays........some thing like Lievel ?. If anyone can help,with what
this was all about, with such limited information, I'd appreciate being
pointed in the right direction.
> Thanks.
>
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
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=0AHi Clive,=0AYou say you mounted them in each side quarter
panel. Do you mean in the perspex or the fibreglass. Ouch
to the price.=0APete=0APS I guess a pic would tell all if
you have one handy.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom:
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ooglemail.com>Peter, I have one mounted in each side 'quarter
panel' of my windshield, very ffective and I only have
good things to say about them . . . except the $94 ac
h price perhaps. Let me know if a pic would be useful.
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=0AThanks Steve,=0AYes I had the 'add on vent inside' on pre
vious aircraft but that was quite a bit of work and the
large eyeball vents are also expensive.=0APete=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Origina
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e: Europa-List: Cockit ventilation=0A=0A=0APete - it may not be
what you are looking for but Ian Rickard's add on vent to
the inside gets rid of the cold knee syndrome and stops wa
ter weeping through the NACA vents. Using the eyeball vent i
nside it also gives you a modicum or directionality.=0ASee my
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=?Windows-1252?Q?_=85.is_anyone_using_them?
Jerry,
I got the basic GRT Sport single screen 8.4 inch augmenting some other traditional
instruments. So far I have been very happy with the performance, low heat
creation and low draw of 1 ampere. Reads easily even in direct sunlight. The GRT
EFIS also easily interfaces with an formerly bought and now installed GRT EIS
for Rotax 912S I also installed - the EFIS duplicating all EIS data graphically
(I bought 2 extra CHT sensors) so I see all 4 cylinders graphically represented
over time. Easy, straight forward solid construction. Excellent customer
support and real people technical support within minutes. Only product promised
to keep working when GPS fails or pitot freezes over (not planning to go there).
GRT has a comparison of autopilots on their site worth reading.
Christoph Both
#223 C-GPEL Wolfville, Canada
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> On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:53 PM, "N6ZY" <jffisher@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> When I started shopping for an EFIS, I was very tempted by the MGL units. I
eventually did not go with them because, although very entrepreneurial, they keep
changing the configuration and, worse, let you change it. I do not want to
go IFR with a configuration that is not stable and extensively fleet tested.
After 20 years in military avionics, I am very keen on configuration management.
>
> You are right, with Dynon, you get what they offer with no changes. I tend to
think that they are really aiming at the VFR and LSA market. After an extensive
search, I ended up choosing between Advanced Flight Systems and Grand Rapids
Technology. AFS costs more, and just got bought out by Dynon, so I am going
with GRT.
>
> I had an earlier version of their system, and can vouch for the quality of their
products. And Greg, who owns GRT, is open to changes where they are justified.
Also he recommends that you do not fly IFR with his latest software until
there is extensive fleet experience. They do not get as much publicity, but
I think that they currently have the best and most reliable products.
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> Jerry Fisher
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Graham,
The idea would be to have the same plies of fiberglass on the spar, but use the
existing plies that are on the root rib, buried behind the wing root fairing
and control hardware. I would have about a tapered overlap in the corner between
the spar tang and the root rib. That is my thought anyway. The only way to
get the plies on the root rib off would be to create a huge amount of work over
what is already required.
The instructions for the mod seem to be for a wing that has not yet been installed.
I hope that I can bond the old plies with new ones and accomplish the same
thing as disassembling the entire wing!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: MGL Avionics Primary Flight Display =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=85?=.is |
anyone using them
I have dual Voyagers G2's EFIS, 1 x Xtreme EFIS (endurance bus), 2 x MGL V10 radios
and live in NZ. See my avatar
I chose MGL over GRT, AFS and Dynon after visiting Oshkosh 2 years in a row.
Why
I can create and have created my own screens.
The Voyagers EFIS talk to one and another.
I am a datacommunications engineer and am comfortable in this environment.
MGL had an integrated AP before the others which I use with PocketFMS using Trio
servos (prior to the MGL servos availability).
We have a very good NZ agent which cannot be said for Dynon, GRT or AFS. There
units are good but if they break back to the USA they go.
Apart from debugging which took sometime due to the complex nature of my panel
I have had no problems.
I have no round gauges at all, just dual MGL AHRS and dual busses.
Sometimes people who post (referring to the one highlighted) fire off before really
thinking about it. Yes I had my frustrations but in time they have all come
through.
And lastly I like the upgrade path MGL offer and have taken advantage of it previously
and will do so once the G3 becomes available.
OK I will get of my soapbox now, all will do their job very well.
Cheers Peter
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Peter Armstrong
Auckland, New Zealand
DynAero MCR-4S (Do not shoot me :) ).
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