---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/26/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:44 AM - Re: Cockit ventilation (Richard Lamprey) 2. 09:05 AM - Re: Cockit ventilation (Richard Wheelwright) 3. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Cockit ventilation (Fred Klein) 4. 10:46 AM - Re: Cockit ventilation (Richard Wheelwright) 5. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: Cockit ventilation (Karl Heindl) 6. 02:22 PM - Seatbelt mount () 7. 02:33 PM - Re: Seatbelt mount (David Joyce) 8. 04:19 PM - Re: Seatbelt mount (Bob Harrison) 9. 04:56 PM - Re: Seatbelt mount (Fred Klein) 10. 08:58 PM - Pip pin logic (Andrew Sarangan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:09 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cockit ventilation From: "Richard Lamprey" Daniel, Yes, the brown tinted glass. The snapvents are clear, but you wouldn't notice the difference when they are in. By rotating them relative to the airflow, you can get one side to suck, the other to blow, hence movement of air through the cabin. Best Richard, Kenya Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411455#411455 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:20 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cockit ventilation From: "Richard Wheelwright" Richard, Do you Have any Photos of the Snapvents please. -------- Richard Wheelwright G-IRPW First Flight 24th July 2013 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411461#411461 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:17 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Cockit ventilation On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Richard Lamprey wrote: > By rotating them relative to the airflow, you can get one side to suck, the other to blow, hence movement of air through the cabin. Richard...can you recall which model of the snapvent it is that you're using? I find it somewhat difficult to discern the differences between some of the models, though it does appear that only MODEL CC3251 allows for the vents to be closed and flush w/ the outside. Wow...cutting those holes in installed door windows must have been a real come-to-jesus moment, Fred ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cockit ventilation From: "Richard Wheelwright" I have 2 of these vent I bought about 3 years ago but never fitted them, as the fear of breaking the plexi glass. Are there any tips on cutting the 2" holes? -------- Richard Wheelwright G-IRPW First Flight 24th July 2013 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411467#411467 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:56 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Cockit ventilation Richard wrote : Richard wrote : > Are there any tips on cutting the 2" holes? > > Yes=2C I simply used a 2" hole cutter=2C at slow speed. It may be a good id ea to warm up the window first. I also installed these transparent ventilat ors from ACS in the corners of the windscreen (about $20 each). I don't see any need for anything else except air conditioning maybe. Karl > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411467#411467 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:25 PM PST US From: Subject: Europa-List: Seatbelt mount Hi, At the beginning of the year I purchased a Europa XS Tri Gear about 60% completed project. I=99ve been reading your postings which have been helping me with my project. I=99ve been reading somewhere about the rear mounting point for the seatbelt is not in the best position and I was wondering what the thoughts were on relocating the rear mount point to the roof of the cockpit. Has anyone done this before? I was wondering what your thoughts were, weather it would be worth the extra work or would it just be a waste of time? Mark Kit 451 (Australia) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:39 PM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seatbelt mount Mark, I am 6ft 2" and in 12 yrs flying have found no problem at all with the harnesses, nor yet have any of my various size passengers. I would certainly leave them well alone. The design is a good one and I would steer clear of modifications other than possibly the sort where you are adding something extra like an autopilot. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 07:21:54 +1000 wrote: > Hi, > > At the beginning of the year I purchased a Europa XS Tri >Gear about 60% completed project. Ive been reading your >postings which have been helping me with my project. > Ive been reading somewhere about the rear mounting >point for the seatbelt is not in the best position and I >was wondering what the thoughts were on relocating the >rear mount point to the roof of the cockpit. > > Has anyone done this before? I was wondering what your >thoughts were, weather it would be worth the extra work >or would it just be a waste of time? > > Mark > Kit 451 (Australia) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:22 PM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Seatbelt mount Hi! Mark, I have for some time been aware of this issue and possible compression of the spine from the harness location of the Europa . I have over 1000 hours with the harness all as standard . Perhaps such a drastic incident would be likely unsurvivable anyway. However I have at some time seen an arrangement with a hinged block on top of the existing seat back which ensures that the potential for any spine compressive forces is removed. However It would need extensive load testing and need to be very resilient so I=99ve never done anything further. It would also need the length of the shoulder straps to be much longer . Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au Sent: 26 October 2013 22:22 Subject: Europa-List: Seatbelt mount Hi, At the beginning of the year I purchased a Europa XS Tri Gear about 60% completed project. I=99ve been reading your postings which have been helping me with my project. I=99ve been reading somewhere about the rear mounting point for the seatbelt is not in the best position and I was wondering what the thoughts were on relocating the rear mount point to the roof of the cockpit. Has anyone done this before? I was wondering what your thoughts were, weather it would be worth the extra work or would it just be a waste of time? Mark Kit 451 (Australia) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:12 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seatbelt mount On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Bob Harrison wrote: > I have at some time seen an arrangement with a hinged block on top of the existing seat back which ensures that the potential for any spine compressive forces is removed. However It would need extensive load testing and need to be very resilient so I=92ve never done anything further. It would also need the length of the shoulder straps to be much longer . Mark...as Bob mentions the standard build allows for spinal compression in the event of a hard landing (or worse). I made some hinged block risers as Bob describes; the hinge serves to allow the top of the seat back to be used as a transition seat when entering or exiting the aircraft. By no means did I conduct an "extensive load testing" program; I did however, simulate a 15G load on the shoulder straps in the appropriate direction. I claim 15G on the basis of an assumption of 100 # upper body weight which could be imposed on the shoulder straps in the event that the body were restrained from moving forward. The shoulder strap mounting point did not change, so whatever stresses such an event would cause will be handled by the airframe as designed. Suprisingly, the stock shoulder strap length still serves. ...no guarantees... Fred ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:20 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Europa-List: Pip pin logic I am hoping someone can help me understand the logic behind the spar pip pin. According to a posting by Neville Eyre some time back, the pin is important for preventing the spar tang from migrating aft and jamming the aileron crank. This makes sense, especially given how close the spar is to the cranks. However, in my limited experience, I have only seen pins used for shear stresses, not longitudinal stress. The latter would mean the ball at the end the pin has to be load bearing. This seems a bit odd to me, but I am sure there must be a logic behind this setup. I am hoping someone can shed some light on this for me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.