Europa-List Digest Archive

Tue 10/29/13


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 01:52 AM - Re: Tyres for tri gear (Max Cointe (Free))
     2. 02:28 AM - Re: Tyres for tri gear (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
     3. 02:41 AM - Re: Tyres for tri gear (Max Cointe (Free))
     4. 02:42 AM - Adieu but not goodbye (Carl Pattinson)
     5. 02:46 AM - Re: Tyres for tri gear (Kevin Challis)
     6. 02:47 AM - Re: Tyres for tri gear (Kevin Challis)
     7. 04:36 AM - Re: Oil and collant radiators (h&jeuropa)
     8. 05:01 AM - Re: Tyres for tri gear (Bob Harrison)
     9. 05:28 AM - Re: UK - Pre-loved Arplast PV50 For Sale (fasilpereira)
    10. 08:47 AM - Re: Adieu but not goodbye (Andrew Sarangan)
    11. 09:13 AM - Re: Adieu but not goodbye (Fred Klein)
    12. 11:10 AM - =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Europa=2DList=3A_AN3_Nut_Torque_Values=85=85=2Eor_any_?= 	=?windows-1252?Q?Torque_Values_depending_on_type_of_Nuts? (Andrew Sarangan)
    13. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: AN3 Nut Torque =?iso-8859-1?Q?Values=85=85.or_any_ 	Torque_Values_depending_on_type_of_Nu?=ts (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
    14. 02:27 PM - =?windows-1252?Q?Electric_Flaps=85=2E=2EPre-programmed_Selection?= =?windows-1252?Q?s? (Tony Renshaw)
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    16. 07:15 PM - Re: IMPORTANT NEWS ABOUT YOUR 2013 SUBSCRIPTIONS (alan_hunter1664)
    17. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Oil and collant radiators (William Daniell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:52:08 AM PST US
    From: "Max Cointe (Free)" <mcointe@free.fr>
    Subject: Tyres for tri gear
    Kevin, Our ship came with Condors and they lasted flat to the weave after less than 200 landing on hard strip. We changed to Air Trainer which went used conical ?? very fast (~100 landing). And now we have Air Trac for few landing... My guess is: the cheaper are the best! Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures -----Message d'origine----- De: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Jeff B Envoy: lundi 28 octobre 2013 19:20 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet: Re: Europa-List: Tyres for tri gear Kevin. I've used everything from the "el cheapo" to the most expensive Michelins. They all last about the same, as far as tread wear is concerned. I have the 6 ply Air Tracs on, now and they are doing fine... Jeff - Baby Blue On 10/28/2013 11:39 AM, Kevin Challis wrote: > --> <kevinmarie@blueyonder.co.uk> > > Hi > > Does anyone know the best tyres to use on the tri gear. The tyres I put on last time haven't lasted very well. I think they are Condors. > > Thanks > > Kevin Challis > G ODJG > >


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    Time: 02:28:59 AM PST US
    From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Tyres for tri gear
    Quite apaart from tyre manufacturer, wheel alighmnet is important, if the w heels are toed in (or out) too much=0Atyre wear and rolling resistance will be excessive. Is your airplane easy to push around on tarmac? That's what you are =0A=0Alooking for.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________ _______=0A From: Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr>=0ATo: europa-list@matr onics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013, 8:44=0ASubject: RE: Europa-Lis te (Free)" <mcointe@free.fr>=0A=0AKevin,=0A=0AOur ship came with Condors an d they lasted flat to the weave after less than=0A200 landing on hard strip . We changed to Air Trainer which went used conical=0A?? very fast (~100 la nding). And now we have Air Trac for few landing... My=0Aguess is: the chea per are the best! =0A=0AMax=C2- Cointe=0Amcointe@free.fr=0AF-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear=0AKit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours=0A=0AF-PLDJ Dyn =99A=C3=A9ro MCR 4S =0AKit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures =0A=0A=0A-----Message d'origine-----=0ADe=C2-: owner-europa-list-server@m atronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part d e Jeff B=0AEnvoy=C3=A9=C2-: lundi 28 octobre 2013 19:20=0A=C3=C2-: e uropa-list@matronics.com=0AObjet=C2-: Re: Europa-List: Tyres for tri gear in.=C2- I've used everything from the "el cheapo" to the most expensive =0AMichelins.=C2- They all last about the same, as far as tread wear is c oncerned.=0AI have the 6 ply Air Tracs on, now and they are doing fine... =0A=0AJeff - Baby Blue=0A=0AOn 10/28/2013 11:39 AM, Kevin Challis wrote:=0A eyonder.co.uk>=0A>=0A> Hi=0A>=0A> Does anyone know the best tyres to use on the tri gear. The tyres I put on=0Alast time haven't lasted very well. I t hink they are Condors.=0A>=0A> Thanks=0A>=0A> Kevin Challis=0A> G ODJG=0A> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2 =================


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    Time: 02:41:27 AM PST US
    From: "Max Cointe (Free)" <mcointe@free.fr>
    Subject: Tyres for tri gear
    Hi Graham, I agree. F-PMLH is very easy to move on tarmac and nothing (known) has changed on main gear between Condors used flat and Air Trainer used conical Max Cointe <mailto:mcointe@free.fr> mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=99A=C3=A9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de GRAHAM SINGLETON Envoy=C3=A9 : mardi 29 octobre 2013 10:28 =C3 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Re: Europa-List: Tyres for tri gear Quite apaart from tyre manufacturer, wheel alighmnet is important, if the wheels are toed in (or out) too much tyre wear and rolling resistance will be excessive. Is your airplane easy to push around on tarmac? That's what you are looking for. Graham _____ From: Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr> Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013, 8:44 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tyres for tri gear Kevin, Our ship came with Condors and they lasted flat to the weave after less than 200 landing on hard strip. We changed to Air Trainer which went used conical ?? very fast (~100 landing). And now we have Air Trac for few landing... My guess is: the cheaper are the best! Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=99A=C3=A9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Jeff B Envoy=C3=A9 : lundi 28 octobre 2013 19:20 =C3 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Re: Europa-List: Tyres for tri gear Kevin. I've used everything from the "el cheapo" to the most expensive Michelins. They all last about the same, as far as tread wear is concerned. I have the 6 ply Air Tracs on, now and they are doing fine... Jeff - Baby Blue On 10/28/2013 11:39 AM, Kevin Challis wrote: > --> <kevinmarie@blueyonder.co.uk> > > Hi > > Does anyone know the best tyres to use on the tri gear. The tyres I put on last time haven't lasted very well. I think they are Condors. > > Thanks > > Kevin Challis > G ODJG > > < href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" target="_blank">p; -Matt Dralle, Libution" ======


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    Time: 02:42:18 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Adieu but not goodbye
    Hi Guys, After many years we have decided to "unsubscribe" from the Europa forum as my mailbox is being deluged with the numerous posts that are flying around. The forum is certainly as active as I have ever seen it - We seem to spend our days deleting emails to keep our mailbox tidy. We're not going away (or selling the Europa) but thought it best to browse the forum online instead. This announcement is just in case there is the odd "private message" that gets sent here instead. We made the mistake of pm'ing here by accident only a week ago (apologies to Goff) - comes with old age! Most who know us will have these but if you need to contact us our details are below. Carl and Dot Pattinson G-LABS carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk Tel: 07768 473222 Cheers all. Carl & Dot Pattinson


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    Time: 02:46:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tyres for tri gear
    From: Kevin Challis <kevinmarie@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Max I have ordered a pair of cheap ones. I am glad it's not just me that's wearing them out quickly. Thanks Kevin > On 29 Oct 2013, at 08:44, "Max Cointe (Free)" <mcointe@free.fr> wrote: > > > Kevin, > > Our ship came with Condors and they lasted flat to the weave after less than > 200 landing on hard strip. We changed to Air Trainer which went used conical > ?? very fast (~100 landing). And now we have Air Trac for few landing... My > guess is: the cheaper are the best! > > Max Cointe > mcointe@free.fr > F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear > Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours > > F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S > Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Jeff B > Envoy : lundi 28 octobre 2013 19:20 > : europa-list@matronics.com > Objet : Re: Europa-List: Tyres for tri gear > > > Kevin. I've used everything from the "el cheapo" to the most expensive > Michelins. They all last about the same, as far as tread wear is concerned. > I have the 6 ply Air Tracs on, now and they are doing fine... > > Jeff - Baby Blue > >> On 10/28/2013 11:39 AM, Kevin Challis wrote: >> --> <kevinmarie@blueyonder.co.uk> >> >> Hi >> >> Does anyone know the best tyres to use on the tri gear. The tyres I put on > last time haven't lasted very well. I think they are Condors. >> >> Thanks >> >> Kevin Challis >> G ODJG >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:47:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tyres for tri gear
    From: Kevin Challis <kevinmarie@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Graham It rolls easy enough on concrete but it is both the outside edges of the tyr es that are wearing. Kevin > On 29 Oct 2013, at 09:28, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com > wrote: > > Quite apaart from tyre manufacturer, wheel alighmnet is important, if the w heels are toed in (or out) too much > tyre wear and rolling resistance will be excessive. Is your airplane easy t o push around on tarmac? That's what you are > > looking for. > Graham > > > From: Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr> > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013, 8:44 > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tyres for tri gear > > > Kevin, > > Our ship came with Condors and they lasted flat to the weave after less th an > 200 landing on hard strip. We changed to Air Trainer which went used conic al > ?? very fast (~100 landing). And now we have Air Trac for few landing... M y > guess is: the cheaper are the best! > > Max Cointe > mcointe@free.fr > F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear > Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours > > F-PLDJ Dyn=99A=C3=A9ro MCR 4S > Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Jeff B > Envoy=C3=A9 : lundi 28 octobre 2013 19:20 > =C3 : europa-list@matronics.com > Objet : Re: Europa-List: Tyres for tri gear > > > Kevin. I've used everything from the "el cheapo" to the most expensive > Michelins. They all last about the same, as far as tread wear is concerne d. > I have the 6 ply Air Tracs on, now and they are doing fine... > > Jeff - Baby Blue > > On 10/28/2013 11:39 AM, Kevin Challis wrote: > > --> <kevinmarie@blueyonder.co.uk> > > > > Hi > > > > Does anyone know the best tyres to use on the tri gear. The tyres I put o n > last time haven't lasted very well. I think they are Condors. > > > > Thanks > > > > Kevin Challis > > G ODJG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" target="_blank ">p; -Matt Dralle, Libution" ====== > > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 04:36:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil and collant radiators
    From: "h&amp;jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net>
    Will, There is a pretty good discussion of Europa cooling on Bud Yerly's website. Here the link: http://customflightcreations.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/cooling101.pdf Jim & Heather XS Mono 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411660#411660


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    Time: 05:01:30 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Tyres for tri gear
    Hi! Graham/all Yes, the =9Ctoe in=9D issue is the key to most wear . I can vouch for mine to be precise BUT with no wings fitted, probably no engine fitted, certainly no fuel on board and the aircraft fuselage supported on slings from above, no pilot or passenger . So how in God=99s name is the manual set up defined to be correct ? Mine is certainly toed in too much, in that my winch to pull the aircraft backwards up the trailer ramps is seriously stressed . I have recommended numerous builders when at the stage of setting theirs to reduce the toe in and so allow for real weighted circumstances. I even toyed with an idea of making the main gear legs adjustable to rotate on like a vernier type fitting , but ran out of motivation and funds. I believe that I have Condor which are quite a square profile but the landing touch down is always on the outside of the tyres needing them changed round on half life. If only the legs could be heated =9Ccherry red=9D and twisted to reduce what I have it would be so easy ............Don=99t dare even go there!! Regards To all Bob H G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM SINGLETON Sent: 29 October 2013 09:28 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tyres for tri gear Quite apaart from tyre manufacturer, wheel alighmnet is important, if the wheels are toed in (or out) too much tyre wear and rolling resistance will be excessive. Is your airplane easy to push around on tarmac? That's what you are looking for. Graham _____ From: Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr> Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013, 8:44 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tyres for tri gear Kevin, Our ship came with Condors and they lasted flat to the weave after less than 200 landing on hard strip. We changed to Air Trainer which went used conical ?? very fast (~100 landing). And now we have Air Trac for few landing... My guess is: the cheaper are the best! Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=99A=C3=A9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Jeff B Envoy=C3=A9 : lundi 28 octobre 2013 19:20 =C3 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Re: Europa-List: Tyres for tri gear Kevin. I've used everything from the "el cheapo" to the most expensive Michelins. They all last about the same, as far as tread wear is concerned. I have the 6 ply Air Tracs on, now and they are doing fine... Jeff - Baby Blue On 10/28/2013 11:39 AM, Kevin Challis wrote: > --> <kevinmarie@blueyonder.co.uk> > > Hi > > Does anyone know the best tyres to use on the tri gear. The tyres I put on last time haven't lasted very well. I think they are Condors. > > Thanks > > Kevin Challis > G ODJG > > < href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" target="_blank">p; -Matt Dralle, Libution" ======


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    Time: 05:28:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: UK - Pre-loved Arplast PV50 For Sale
    From: "fasilpereira" <fasilpereira@hotmail.com>
    Mark, is it still available? If yes, please send details to fasilpereira@yahoo.com Best regards, Fabricio -------- Fabricio Pereira Engineer / Pilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411666#411666


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    Time: 08:47:38 AM PST US
    From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Adieu but not goodbye
    Like you, all my Europa emails are automatically redirected to Trash, and I only follow it only. But having the subscription active is a good thing because allows you to post to the group without having to resubscribe every time. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > After many years we have decided to unsubscribe from the Europa forum as > my mailbox is being deluged with the numerous posts that are flying around. > > > The forum is certainly as active as I have ever seen it We seem to spend > our days deleting emails to keep our mailbox tidy. > > > Were not going away (or selling the Europa) but thought it best to browse > the forum online instead. > > > This announcement is just in case there is the odd private message that > gets sent here instead. We made the mistake of pming here by accident only > a week ago (apologies to Goff) comes with old age! > > > Most who know us will have these but if you need to contact us our details > are below. > > > Carl and Dot Pattinson > > G-LABS > > carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk > > Tel: 07768 473222 > > > Cheers all. > > > Carl & Dot Pattinson > >


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    Time: 09:13:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Adieu but not goodbye
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Another strategy is for all Europa-List emails to be directed to a "Europa-List Mailbox"...it certainly works for me...allows me to peruse when I choose, and doesn't clutter my primary email stream... On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Andrew Sarangan wrote: > > Like you, all my Europa emails are automatically redirected to Trash, > and I only follow it only. But having the subscription active is a > good thing because allows you to post to the group without having to > resubscribe every time. > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Carl Pattinson > <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> After many years we have decided to unsubscribe from the Europa forum as >> my mailbox is being deluged with the numerous posts that are flying around. >>


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    Time: 11:10:26 AM PST US
    From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com>
    Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Europa=2DList=3A_AN3_Nut_Torque_Values=85=85=2Eor_any_?=
    =?windows-1252?Q?Torque_Values_depending_on_type_of_Nuts? Tony These torque values are presumably from the FAA Advisory Circular, which can be found in this document, plus a wealth of other information: http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentid/99861. The torque values are listed in chapter 7. However these numbers are for fastening metal parts. For composites I would be reluctant to apply the maximum recommended torque. I believe the maximum torque is a function of the compressive strength of the parts being fastened and the tensile strength of the bolt itself. There was a document from Cirrus which had lower numbers for AN bolts on composites, but I can't seem to find it now. So far I've been tightening the bolts based on how much compression I feel after the parts become clamped.I know this is not very scientific. On the other hand, I am a bit surprised that your AN3 bolt broke during normal torqing. Is it possible that the bolt bottomed out at the end of the threaded portion? In that case I can see how that can break at the joint between the shank and the threads.. In fact, I had to replace several AN bolts called out in the Europa manual with shorter lengths because they were bottoming out before clamping the parts. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>wrote: > Gidday, > Yesterday I was tightening by hand one of the two AN3 bolts that clamp the > flap cross tube to the articulating/hinge arms that are attached in the > floor. So, in case there is the slightest movement and this would > exacerbate in my flaps I decided to do them up "tight". Guess what, I > snapped one, yep snapped. It broke at the top of the shank where the thread > started, and did NOT strip the thread as many might have presumed. This got > me thinking that normally most bolts are designed to effect a shear load, > and not normally a clamping load. Anyway, I know there is counter arguments > to all of this, but what matters is the applicable torque loads we use if > we torque them using a wrench, and I just stumbled upon a reference I think > is important. I found this on an VansForce website, and why it matters is > the torque values are NOT for locknuts, which have an inherent friction > drag torque value of 14 in-lbs. So, referring to the attached table an AN3 > needs 20-25 in-lbw, but in actuality would be more like 34-39 in-lbs. > I think this could be easily overlooked, and if the friction drag torque > of locknuts is not taken into account, people are under torquing their > bolts. > Regards > Tony Renshaw > Sydney Aussie. > >


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    Time: 11:57:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europa-List: AN3 Nut Torque =?iso-8859-1?Q?Values=85=85.or_any_
    Torque_Values_depending_on_type_of_Nu?=ts
    From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
    Hi Group Quick note on breaking AN bolts, if the surface the nut is contacting is not perpendicular to the shank of the bolt, it will load sideways and quite easily break. For instance on my tiebar, and flap drive holes I did a poor job of drilling at 90 degrees to the surface. I am sure if I tightened the hardware to maximum rated spec they would break. I used these to compensate for my sins http://www.mcmaster.com/#self-aligning-washers/=p5ec85 Note you can get #10 with a maximum correction of 4 degrees and also 5 degrees, the 5 degree is larger. I think I only used the 5 degree on 1 of my tiebar bolts, it needed just a slight bit more ability to correct so I Reduxed with Flox and let set before full tightening. Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 02:27:04 PM PST US
    From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
    Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Electric_Flaps=85=2E=2EPre-programmed_Selection?=
    =?windows-1252?Q?s? Gidday, There was a question regarding electric flaps with pre-positioning. Here is what I am using. http://www.concentricintl.com/products/electrical-control/accessories/linear-actuator-controller-one-actuator-12-vdc-6/ In combination with their linear actuators, I think its the perfect setup for the Europa. The quality is excellent and the value tremendous. Hope this helps. Regards Tony Renshaw Sydney Aussie


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    Time: 02:35:58 PM PST US
    Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Electric_Flaps=85=2E=2EPre?=
    =?windows-1252?Q?-programmed_Selections?
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Tony, That looks interesting. Not exactly what I had in mind, but it might do. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Oct 29, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote: Gidday, There was a question regarding electric flaps with pre-positioning. Here is what I am using. http://www.concentricintl.com/products/electrical-control/accessories/linear-actuator-controller-one-actuator-12-vdc-6/ In combination with their linear actuators, I think its the perfect setup for the Europa. The quality is excellent and the value tremendous. Hope this helps. Regards Tony Renshaw Sydney Aussie


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    Time: 07:15:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NEWS ABOUT YOUR 2013 SUBSCRIPTIONS
    From: "alan_hunter1664" <alan_hunter1664@yahoo.co.uk>
    I am new to the Europa world and would like to join the Europa club but I'm unable to access the theeuropaclub.org web site. I've tried from a number of computers over a period of time but just get the message "page unavailable" Has the site moved? Many thanks Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411721#411721


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    Time: 07:53:47 PM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Oil and collant radiators
    Thanks Thats exactly what I needed Will -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of h&amp;jeuropa Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 06:36 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Oil and collant radiators Will, There is a pretty good discussion of Europa cooling on Bud Yerly's website. Here the link: http://customflightcreations.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/cooling 101.pdf Jim & Heather XS Mono 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411660#411660




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