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0. 12:14 AM - Network Issues At Matronics Last Few Days... (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:43 AM - Re: Europa Classic wing blistering (Richard Lamprey)
2. 03:55 AM - Re: Re: Europa Classic wing blistering (Dean Seitz)
3. 05:25 AM - Re: Intercom Do you need one (Remi Guerner)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Intercom Do you need one (Pete Lawless)
5. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Intercom Do you need one (David Joyce)
6. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: Intercom Do you need one (Rowland Carson)
7. 06:29 AM - AW: Re: Intercom Do you need one (A. Buess - Aviatik)
8. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Intercom Do you need one (danny shepherd)
9. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Intercom Do you need one (David Joyce)
10. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Intercom Do you need one (Pete Lawless)
11. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: Intercom Do you need one (John Heykoop)
12. 09:55 AM - Anyone who can spare a small sample of Araldite 420? (Andrew Sarangan)
13. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Intercom Do you need one (Alan Burrill)
14. 11:34 AM - AW: Re: Intercom Do you need one (A. Buess - Aviatik)
15. 12:48 PM - Re: Intercom Do you need one (Remi Guerner)
16. 12:50 PM - Fuel System for 914 (William Daniell)
17. 01:28 PM - Intercom Do you need one (Richard Holder)
18. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: Intercom Do you need one (Pete Lawless)
19. 02:41 PM - Re: Fuel System for 914 (Jan de Jong)
20. 03:11 PM - Re: Anyone who can spare a small sample of Araldite 420? (hagargs)
21. 07:29 PM - Re: Anyone who can spare a small sample of Araldite 420? (Andrew Sarangan)
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| Subject: | Network Issues At Matronics Last Few Days... |
Dear Listers,
Starting sometime on Friday November 1st, my Internet Service Provider (ISP) began "upgrading" their Domain Name Servers (DNS). DNS servers allow the resolution of computer names such as "www.matronics.com" to real addresses such as 64.81.74.3. This also impacts email delivery as well, since there is another layer of resolution that applies to email names.
Because of this upgrade on the part of my ISP, DNS service started getting unreliable
around Friday sometime, but I didn't notice it until sometime on Saturday.
When I used a tool called "nslookup" to test the resolution of name-to-address,
about 50-75% of the time my ISP's servers would response with an "SERVFAIL"
indicating that they didn't know the answer. I opened a ticket with the
ISP on Saturday, and by Sunday afternoon I had no feedback on the ticket so I
called in to support. "We upgrading the DNS servers, and it should back by Sunday
at 5pm." 5pm came and went with no resolution.
Well, long story short by Tuesday morning things were still not fixed and in fact
much worse. So, I opted to move all my DNS service to a different service
provider. I have a lot of DNS entries, so it took a while to get everything moved
over. It generally takes about 24 hours for a change like that to fully
propagate across the Internet which would be Wednesday morning sometime. I've
noticed that the Matronics web server traffic is picking up again, so many sites
have already propagated the new information.
I really should have just moved the DNS on Saturday when I first noticed the troubles,
but with stuff like this, you just keep believing that it gonna be fixed
any minute now.... And, in fact, that's what my ISP kept telling me...
Its always a giant bummer when stuff like this happens and particularly during
the Fund Raiser. I apologize to anyone that has tried to make a Contribution
in the last few days and had issues or was simply unable to connect. By the time
you read this email, the DNS should be fully propagated, and I ask that you
please try again.
The Contribution web site URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
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Thank you for your kind consideration and patience,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Classic wing blistering |
Gordon, I havn't seen a solution to this. On mine, it is only a couple of blisters
on tail surfaces, I have just left them. Might suggest you contact Roger
Targett in Gloucestershire, he is the expert on this sort of thing. Best Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Classic wing blistering |
When I first built mine I had a couple blisters in the flaps after it was painted.
I made two small holes, one in the top and one in the bottom of the blister.
After leaving it to evaporate anything that was inside, I squeezed epoxy in
the bottom hole until it came out the top then covered the area with plastic
sheet and clamped it down with a block. After touching up the surface haven't
had a problem for 8 years now.
Dean Seitz
A284
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
Hi David,
I am late on that one but I would like to add some comments. I am using a separate
intercom (Flightcom 403) as my radio does not have a built in one . Now I
am thinking at the possible architecture of my future 8.33 installation. It is
very tempting to withdraw the intercom, therefore saving panel space and making
the wiring simpler, but I see one big drawback: controlling the intercom function
would be a lot more complicated. I have reviewed the Pilot Guide and
the Install Manual of the Garmin GTR 225 and GNC 255 radios. There is no dedicated
controls for the intercom function on those units.
With a separate intercom, when you need to adjust the volume or the squelch of
the intercom, you just rotate a dedicated knob, which is intuitive and very quick.
With the GTR225/GNC255 you have to scroll through several pages of menu ,
using several multifunction buttons and knobs with a risk of making a mistake.
In fact this is a configuration task, better not do be done in flight.
BTW switching from the 25 to the 8.33 kHz modes with those new Garmin radios is
also a configuration task, so I am afraid it will not be easy to handle the transition
period, which may last for several years, where both modes will be used
by ATC. May be keeping our old radio for use in the 25kHz mode and use the
new one for the 8.33 mode only?
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
Hi Remy
Am I missing something here? Why do you need to switch modes to work in the
25 spacing? Does not the 8.33 spacing simply provide 2 extra frequencies in
the gap between the exiting 25 spaced ones?
Regards
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner
Sent: 06 November 2013 13:25
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Intercom Do you need one
Hi David,
I am late on that one but I would like to add some comments. I am using a
separate intercom (Flightcom 403) as my radio does not have a built in one .
Now I am thinking at the possible architecture of my future 8.33
installation. It is very tempting to withdraw the intercom, therefore saving
panel space and making the wiring simpler, but I see one big drawback:
controlling the intercom function would be a lot more complicated. I have
reviewed the Pilot Guide and the Install Manual of the Garmin GTR 225 and
GNC 255 radios. There is no dedicated controls for the intercom function on
those units.
With a separate intercom, when you need to adjust the volume or the squelch
of the intercom, you just rotate a dedicated knob, which is intuitive and
very quick. With the GTR225/GNC255 you have to scroll through several pages
of menu , using several multifunction buttons and knobs with a risk of
making a mistake. In fact this is a configuration task, better not do be
done in flight.
BTW switching from the 25 to the 8.33 kHz modes with those new Garmin radios
is also a configuration task, so I am afraid it will not be easy to handle
the transition period, which may last for several years, where both modes
will be used by ATC. May be keeping our old radio for use in the 25kHz mode
and use the new one for the 8.33 mode only?
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412252#412252
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
Remi, Yes it is a complex issue and a pretty expensive one
too. I have been persuaded though that the intercom
facility on the Garmin GNC 255 or GTR 225 is good and I do
plan to scrap my Flightcom intercom. With a 255 costing
the wrong side of 3000 I have on the other hand been
seriously tempted to buy the simplest small 8.33Khz radio
at around 1000 and fit that in addition to my SL30. There
is also the question for us oldies of pilot 'Sell by
Dates'. I ask myself whether I shall still be flying in
2017! My heart says Yes, Of course, but the head might
come up with a different answer!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ (just received my first free
TV licence)
On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 05:24:50 -0800
"Remi Guerner" <air.guerner@orange.fr> wrote:
><air.guerner@orange.fr>
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> Hi David,
> I am late on that one but I would like to add some
>comments. I am using a separate intercom (Flightcom 403)
>as my radio does not have a built in one . Now I am
>thinking at the possible architecture of my future 8.33
>installation. It is very tempting to withdraw the
>intercom, therefore saving panel space and making the
>wiring simpler, but I see one big drawback: controlling
>the intercom function would be a lot more complicated. I
>have reviewed the Pilot Guide and the Install Manual of
>the Garmin GTR 225 and GNC 255 radios. There is no
>dedicated controls for the intercom function on those
>units.
> With a separate intercom, when you need to adjust the
>volume or the squelch of the intercom, you just rotate a
>dedicated knob, which is intuitive and very quick. With
>the GTR225/GNC255 you have to scroll through several
>pages of menu , using several multifunction buttons and
>knobs with a risk of making a mistake. In fact this is a
>configuration task, better not do be done in flight.
> BTW switching from the 25 to the 8.33 kHz modes with
>those new Garmin radios is also a configuration task, so
>I am afraid it will not be easy to handle the transition
>period, which may last for several years, where both
>modes will be used by ATC. May be keeping our old radio
>for use in the 25kHz mode and use the new one for the
>8.33 mode only?
> Remi Guerner
>F-PGKL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
On 6 Nov 2013, at 13:24, Remi Guerner wrote:
> Now I am thinking at the possible architecture of my future 8.33 installation.
It is very tempting to withdraw the intercom, therefore saving panel space and
making the wiring simpler, but I see one big drawback: controlling the intercom
function would be a lot more complicated
> BTW switching from the 25 to the 8.33 kHz modes with those new Garmin radios
is also a configuration task
Remi - my comments, for what they are worth!
I have just decided, based on recent comments in this forum, to delete the intercom
from my panel (which is not yet built, but exists as many drawing and wiring
diagrams, plus loose parts). I was originally planning to install a 25kHz
mode radio as I'd picked up one at a good price. However, the length of time it's
taken me to build the aircraft means that I'll probably need a 8.3kHz radio
shortly after it's finished, so I decided to get one anyway and sell the other
one.
So, I've got a Funkwerk ATR833 now.
I made comparisons of the intercom capabilities between the PS Engineering PM 1000
II (also a second-hand bargain) and the internal one in the ATR833 and found
there was little to choose. The radio squelch is not directly accessible but
is quite easy - pressing one button changes the volume knob to act as squelch,
and it flips back to volume control after 10s inactivity. Intercom VOX setting
is reached by pressing the same button 3 times, but my experience with many
hired aircraft is that I very seldom need to adjust either the radio squelch
or the intercom VOX, once set up. There is a single VOX control for both P1 &
P2, but separate mic gain settings are available which could be useful if headsets
do not match.
I looked at the ergonomics of several 8.33kHz radios and found that the ATR833
was the only one in my price bracket that automatically chooses between 25kHz
& 8.33kHz, depending on the numbers entered. You can also force it to 25kHz only
for slightly faster frequency entry (saves 1 digit), but the automatic mode
seems most user-friendly and avoids in-flight reconfig.
Of course, I have not yet flown with my proposed setup so its success remains to
be seen, but you may be interested in what led to my decisions.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
Hi Remi and list members,
I am also thinking about the best way to organize the transition from the 25
to the 8.33 kHz mode. I have a Garmin SL30 in my panel. The GRT225/GNC255
doesn't fit in the SL30 slot, thus a panel rebuild would be necessary, what
I really don't like. Have you considered adding an ICOM IC A6FR II to the
existing equipment? It is approved by the DGAC and has a JAA-FORM-ONE. I
think I will install it in my Europa in addition to the SL30 to get both,
the 8.33 mode and radio redundancy. A feasible solution?
--------------------------------------------------
Alfred Buess
CH-3700 Spiez, Switzerland
Europa XS HB-YKI, Ercoupe 415-E N94804
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Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Remi Guerner
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. November 2013 14:25
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: Re: Intercom Do you need one
--> <air.guerner@orange.fr>
Hi David,
I am late on that one but I would like to add some comments. I am using a
separate intercom (Flightcom 403) as my radio does not have a built in one .
Now I am thinking at the possible architecture of my future 8.33
installation. It is very tempting to withdraw the intercom, therefore saving
panel space and making the wiring simpler, but I see one big drawback:
controlling the intercom function would be a lot more complicated. I have
reviewed the Pilot Guide and the Install Manual of the Garmin GTR 225 and
GNC 255 radios. There is no dedicated controls for the intercom function on
those units.
With a separate intercom, when you need to adjust the volume or the squelch
of the intercom, you just rotate a dedicated knob, which is intuitive and
very quick. With the GTR225/GNC255 you have to scroll through several pages
of menu , using several multifunction buttons and knobs with a risk of
making a mistake. In fact this is a configuration task, better not do be
done in flight.
BTW switching from the 25 to the 8.33 kHz modes with those new Garmin radios
is also a configuration task, so I am afraid it will not be easy to handle
the transition period, which may last for several years, where both modes
will be used by ATC. May be keeping our old radio for use in the 25kHz mode
and use the new one for the 8.33 mode only?
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412252#412252
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
Hi Roland,
I have been flying now five years with the funkwerk
ATR833, and have no problems what so ever. I find it very easy to use
and very intuative.
When I bought mine it was a "Filser" :-) .
Cheers Danny. G-c.e.r.i
On 06/11/2013 06:19, Rowland Carson wrote:
>
> On 6 Nov 2013, at 13:24, Remi Guerner wrote:
>
>> Now I am thinking at the possible architecture of my future 8.33 installation.
It is very tempting to withdraw the intercom, therefore saving panel space
and making the wiring simpler, but I see one big drawback: controlling the intercom
function would be a lot more complicated
>> BTW switching from the 25 to the 8.33 kHz modes with those new Garmin radios
is also a configuration task
> Remi - my comments, for what they are worth!
>
> I have just decided, based on recent comments in this forum, to delete the intercom
from my panel (which is not yet built, but exists as many drawing and wiring
diagrams, plus loose parts). I was originally planning to install a 25kHz
mode radio as I'd picked up one at a good price. However, the length of time
it's taken me to build the aircraft means that I'll probably need a 8.3kHz radio
shortly after it's finished, so I decided to get one anyway and sell the other
one.
>
> So, I've got a Funkwerk ATR833 now.
>
> I made comparisons of the intercom capabilities between the PS Engineering PM
1000 II (also a second-hand bargain) and the internal one in the ATR833 and found
there was little to choose. The radio squelch is not directly accessible
but is quite easy - pressing one button changes the volume knob to act as squelch,
and it flips back to volume control after 10s inactivity. Intercom VOX setting
is reached by pressing the same button 3 times, but my experience with many
hired aircraft is that I very seldom need to adjust either the radio squelch
or the intercom VOX, once set up. There is a single VOX control for both P1
& P2, but separate mic gain settings are available which could be useful if headsets
do not match.
>
> I looked at the ergonomics of several 8.33kHz radios and found that the ATR833
was the only one in my price bracket that automatically chooses between 25kHz
& 8.33kHz, depending on the numbers entered. You can also force it to 25kHz
only for slightly faster frequency entry (saves 1 digit), but the automatic mode
seems most user-friendly and avoids in-flight reconfig.
>
> Of course, I have not yet flown with my proposed setup so its success remains
to be seen, but you may be interested in what led to my decisions.
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
Roland, I have no doubt you are aware of it, but for the
sake of others still doing their thinking it will not be
possible in the EU from 17/11/13 to get a new plane
accepted without an 8.33 radio. Regards, David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:19:39 +0000
Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:
><rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
>
> On 6 Nov 2013, at 13:24, Remi Guerner wrote:
>
>> Now I am thinking at the possible architecture of my
>>future 8.33 installation. It is very tempting to withdraw
>>the intercom, therefore saving panel space and making the
>>wiring simpler, but I see one big drawback: controlling
>>the intercom function would be a lot more complicated
>
>> BTW switching from the 25 to the 8.33 kHz modes with
>>those new Garmin radios is also a configuration task
>
> Remi - my comments, for what they are worth!
>
> I have just decided, based on recent comments in this
>forum, to delete the intercom from my panel (which is not
>yet built, but exists as many drawing and wiring
>diagrams, plus loose parts). I was originally planning to
>install a 25kHz mode radio as I'd picked up one at a good
>price. However, the length of time it's taken me to build
>the aircraft means that I'll probably need a 8.3kHz radio
>shortly after it's finished, so I decided to get one
>anyway and sell the other one.
>
> So, I've got a Funkwerk ATR833 now.
>
> I made comparisons of the intercom capabilities between
>the PS Engineering PM 1000 II (also a second-hand
>bargain) and the internal one in the ATR833 and found
>there was little to choose. The radio squelch is not
>directly accessible but is quite easy - pressing one
>button changes the volume knob to act as squelch, and it
>flips back to volume control after 10s inactivity.
>Intercom VOX setting is reached by pressing the same
>button 3 times, but my experience with many hired
>aircraft is that I very seldom need to adjust either the
>radio squelch or the intercom VOX, once set up. There is
>a single VOX control for both P1 & P2, but separate mic
>gain settings are available which could be useful if
>headsets do not match.
>
> I looked at the ergonomics of several 8.33kHz radios and
>found that the ATR833 was the only one in my price
>bracket that automatically chooses between 25kHz &
>8.33kHz, depending on the numbers entered. You can also
>force it to 25kHz only for slightly faster frequency
>entry (saves 1 digit), but the automatic mode seems most
>user-friendly and avoids in-flight reconfig.
>
> Of course, I have not yet flown with my proposed setup
>so its success remains to be seen, but you may be
>interested in what led to my decisions.
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
Hi All
For the LAA it's only the radio that needs to be accepted prior to the 17
November.
So if you are flight testing a new build in the UK get the radio test done
and submit the paperwork for the radio to the LAA prior to the 17th.
Regards
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 06 November 2013 15:00
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Intercom Do you need one
Roland, I have no doubt you are aware of it, but for the
sake of others still doing their thinking it will not be
possible in the EU from 17/11/13 to get a new plane
accepted without an 8.33 radio. Regards, David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:19:39 +0000
Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:
><rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
>
> On 6 Nov 2013, at 13:24, Remi Guerner wrote:
>
>> Now I am thinking at the possible architecture of my
>>future 8.33 installation. It is very tempting to withdraw
>>the intercom, therefore saving panel space and making the
>>wiring simpler, but I see one big drawback: controlling
>>the intercom function would be a lot more complicated
>
>> BTW switching from the 25 to the 8.33 kHz modes with
>>those new Garmin radios is also a configuration task
>
> Remi - my comments, for what they are worth!
>
> I have just decided, based on recent comments in this
>forum, to delete the intercom from my panel (which is not
>yet built, but exists as many drawing and wiring
>diagrams, plus loose parts). I was originally planning to
>install a 25kHz mode radio as I'd picked up one at a good
>price. However, the length of time it's taken me to build
>the aircraft means that I'll probably need a 8.3kHz radio
>shortly after it's finished, so I decided to get one
>anyway and sell the other one.
>
> So, I've got a Funkwerk ATR833 now.
>
> I made comparisons of the intercom capabilities between
>the PS Engineering PM 1000 II (also a second-hand
>bargain) and the internal one in the ATR833 and found
>there was little to choose. The radio squelch is not
>directly accessible but is quite easy - pressing one
>button changes the volume knob to act as squelch, and it
>flips back to volume control after 10s inactivity.
>Intercom VOX setting is reached by pressing the same
>button 3 times, but my experience with many hired
>aircraft is that I very seldom need to adjust either the
>radio squelch or the intercom VOX, once set up. There is
>a single VOX control for both P1 & P2, but separate mic
>gain settings are available which could be useful if
>headsets do not match.
>
> I looked at the ergonomics of several 8.33kHz radios and
>found that the ATR833 was the only one in my price
>bracket that automatically chooses between 25kHz &
>8.33kHz, depending on the numbers entered. You can also
>force it to 25kHz only for slightly faster frequency
>entry (saves 1 digit), but the automatic mode seems most
>user-friendly and avoids in-flight reconfig.
>
> Of course, I have not yet flown with my proposed setup
>so its success remains to be seen, but you may be
>interested in what led to my decisions.
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David
I do envy you youngsters. I did not finish building my plane until I was 79 and
have now had three great years flying it. The odds of passing my class 2 medical
must be worsening all the time, but on the other hand I don't feel any different
and might stay fit and well until my nineties. So to hell with the expense,
next year I will definitely invest in a 8.25Khz radio.
There are quite a number of Europa pilots who are getting on a bit, and my advice
to them would be not to give up prematurely. I reckon the physical and mental
effort of flying and maintaining a Europa and the sheer enjoyment it provides
are things that help to keep one young. Of course, if you start to develop
a medical problem, or if you notice your flying starts to deteriorate, then it
would be foolish to continue. But until then, enjoy!
Regards
John
XS Mono G-JHKP
On 6 Nov 2013, at 14:03, "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
> There is also the question for us oldies of pilot 'Sell by Dates'. I ask myself
whether I shall still be flying in 2017! My heart says Yes, Of course, but
the head might come up with a different answer!
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ (just received my first free TV licence)
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| Subject: | Anyone who can spare a small sample of Araldite 420? |
I am hoping someone can send me a small sample of unexpired Araldite
420 for comparative testing.
I have a large batch of long expired Araldite 420.Although it seems to
cure as strong as when it was new, I want to do some quantitative
tensile tests before using it on critical parts. However, I would need
some unexpired samples to compare against. I would only need perhaps 2
or 3 ounces worth. If anyone would be kind enough to send me a small
vial of the unexpired resin and hardener, that would much appreciated.
Since I am in the U.S., mailing logistics may be easiest from
U.S.builders.
Of course, I would share the results of this tests with everyone once
I have them.
Thank you
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
For those in the UK beware. Icom currently have this statement on their
specification for the IC-A6
NOTICE FOR USE for IC-A6E and IC-A24E VHF
AIRBAND TRANSCEIVERS
These versions of the IC-A6E and IC-A24E comply with
requirements of the European Radio and Telecommunication
Terminal Directive 1999/5/EC and are RTTE and CE approved.
At present, full approval for air use is not attainable for these
products or any other product at this level in the market place.
Therefore, the IC-A6E and IC-A24E are both intended for use in
Europe for ground use only*. Under the Wireless and Telegraphy
Act of 2006 these radios can be used for emergency
communication and navigation (VOR) should your life be at risk.
*Unless an aviation body in an EU member state gives
dispensation for it to be used in the air.
My understanding from sources is there is currently no handheld 8.33kHz
capable radio in the UK with an approval for use in an aircraft and boo
dispensation has been given.
Sad state of affair but there we have it if some one can prove it wrong
then please do!
I have the ATR833 in use and can confirm it is a nice radio and the
controls for the Intercom easy to get at with simple three pushes of the
select button and then twiddle the knob to change the i/c volume. I find
once set on the ground it does not need changing in the air but have
found it easy to do anyway.
Alan
#0303
On 6 Nov 2013, at 16:54, John Heykoop <john.heykoop@gmail.com> wrote:
<john.heykoop@gmail.com>
>
> David
>
> I do envy you youngsters. I did not finish building my plane until I
was 79 and have now had three great years flying it. The odds of passing
my class 2 medical must be worsening all the time, but on the other hand
I don't feel any different and might stay fit and well until my
nineties. So to hell with the expense, next year I will definitely
invest in a 8.25Khz radio.
>
> There are quite a number of Europa pilots who are getting on a bit,
and my advice to them would be not to give up prematurely. I reckon the
physical and mental effort of flying and maintaining a Europa and the
sheer enjoyment it provides are things that help to keep one young. Of
course, if you start to develop a medical problem, or if you notice your
flying starts to deteriorate, then it would be foolish to continue. But
until then, enjoy!
>
> Regards
>
> John
> XS Mono G-JHKP
>
> On 6 Nov 2013, at 14:03, "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
wrote:
>
>> There is also the question for us oldies of pilot 'Sell by Dates'. I
ask myself whether I shall still be flying in 2017! My heart says Yes,
Of course, but the head might come up with a different answer!
>> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ (just received my first free TV licence)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
Alan,
Your warning is correct. But there is one exception: In France the Icom
IC-A6FR II and IC-A24FR II (slightly modified versions of the original
Icom
units) are approved for use in LSA and amateur built aircraft
(agr=E9ment
N=B0AGR 12-041 DGAC). These units have therefore a JAA-FORM-ONE. I am
not sure
if this has any significance for the UK, but maybe the JAA-FORM-ONE is
also
valid in the UK.
Alfred
--------------------------------------------------
Alfred Buess
CH-3700 Spiez, Switzerland
Europa XS HB-YKI, Ercoupe 415-E N94804
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Alan
Burrill
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. November 2013 18:55
An: Europa Forum Forum
Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Re: Intercom Do you need one
For those in the UK beware. Icom currently have this statement on their
specification for the IC-A6
NOTICE FOR USE for IC-A6E and IC-A24E VHF
AIRBAND TRANSCEIVERS
These versions of the IC-A6E and IC-A24E comply with
requirements of the European Radio and Telecommunication
Terminal Directive 1999/5/EC and are RTTE and CE approved.
At present, full approval for air use is not attainable for these
products or any other product at this level in the market place.
Therefore, the IC-A6E and IC-A24E are both intended for use in
Europe for ground use only*. Under the Wireless and Telegraphy
Act of 2006 these radios can be used for emergency
communication and navigation (VOR) should your life be at risk.
*Unless an aviation body in an EU member state gives
dispensation for it to be used in the air.
My understanding from sources is there is currently no handheld 8.33kHz
capable radio in the UK with an approval for use in an aircraft and boo
dispensation has been given.
Sad state of affair but there we have it if some one can prove it wrong
then
please do!
I have the ATR833 in use and can confirm it is a nice radio and the
controls
for the Intercom easy to get at with simple three pushes of the select
button and then twiddle the knob to change the i/c volume. I find once
set
on the ground it does not need changing in the air but have found it
easy
to do anyway.
Alan
#0303
On 6 Nov 2013, at 16:54, John Heykoop <john.heykoop@gmail.com> wrote:
David
I do envy you youngsters. I did not finish building my plane until I was
79
and have now had three great years flying it. The odds of passing my
class 2
medical must be worsening all the time, but on the other hand I don't
feel
any different and might stay fit and well until my nineties. So to hell
with
the expense, next year I will definitely invest in a 8.25Khz radio.
There are quite a number of Europa pilots who are getting on a bit, and
my
advice to them would be not to give up prematurely. I reckon the
physical
and mental effort of flying and maintaining a Europa and the sheer
enjoyment
it provides are things that help to keep one young. Of course, if you
start
to develop a medical problem, or if you notice your flying starts to
deteriorate, then it would be foolish to continue. But until then,
enjoy!
Regards
John
XS Mono G-JHKP
On 6 Nov 2013, at 14:03, "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
wrote:
There is also the question for us oldies of pilot 'Sell by Dates'. I
ask
myself whether I shall still be flying in 2017! My heart says Yes, Of
course, but the head might come up with a different answer!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ (just received my first free TV
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
Pete,
I thought it was as simple as that before I read an article in the May 2013 issue
of the Light Aviation magazine. You must transmit/receive on a given frequency
in 25kHz mode or in 8.33 mode depending on the mode used by the ATC unit for
that frequency. Let's say the required frequency is 130.025, the radio will
transmit/receive on 130.025 on 25kHz mode. Now dial 130.030, the radio will transmit/receive
on the same 130.025 but on 8.33kHz mode. Crazy, isnit ? Now dial
130.035 and you will transmit/receive on 130.0333 (130.025+8.33) on 8.33 mode.
Dial 130.040 and you will get 130.0416 (130.0333+8.33). Next frequency will
be 130.050, and so on....
Remi
[quote] Am I missing something here? Why do you need to switch modes to work in
the 25 spacing? Does not the 8.33 spacing simply provide 2 extra frequencies
in
the gap between the exiting 25 spaced ones?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412283#412283
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| Subject: | Fuel System for 914 |
My manual from 2003 (J)shows the fuel pumps for a 914 in parallel. Does
anyone know why the latest manual has pumps in series?
Thanks
Will
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| Subject: | Intercom Do you need one |
On 06/11/2013 20:48, Remi Guerner wrote:
> <air.guerner@orange.fr>
> I thought it was as simple as that before I read an
> article in the May 2013 issue of the Light Aviation
> magazine. You must transmit/receive on a given
> frequency in 25kHz mode or in 8.33 mode depending on
> the mode used by the ATC unit for that frequency. Let's
> say the required frequency is 130.025, the radio will
> transmit/receive on 130.025 on 25kHz mode. Now dial
> 130.030, the radio will transmit/receive on the same
> 130.025 but on 8.33kHz mode. Crazy, isnit ? Now
> dial 130.035 and you will transmit/receive on 130.0333
> (130.025+8.33) on 8.33 mode. Dial 130.040 and you will
> get 130.0416 (130.0333+8.33). Next frequency will be
> 130.050, and so on.... Remi
Exactly right.
> [quote] Am I missing something here? Why do you need
> to switch modes to work in the 25 spacing? Does not the
> 8.33 spacing simply provide 2 extra frequencies in the
> gap between the exiting 25 spaced ones?
It is to do with the accuracy of the transmissions. a
25kHz transmitter will span more of the spectrum than a
8.33kkHz transmitter. Thus all the 833 frequencies are
distinct and don't step on and over each other.
If a base station retains the (using the above example)
130.025 frequency, staying in 25kHz mode, then the two
(833) frequencies either side will not be usable within
transmission distance.
Now that I am on, I will give you my take on intercoms.
A proper stand alone intercom will have two microphone
circuits (sometimes four or six) - each independent. Thus
each microphone will have its own circuit.
The problem with using the intercom provided in a radio is
that they usually only have one microphone circuit and
therefore microphones have to be connected in parallel.
This leads to the oft quoted problem that David Clark
headsets are incompatible with other makes.
David Clark have low impedance microphones which if a DC
and a non-DC are connected in parallel, will swamp the
non-DC microphone. Thus leading to the "incompatibility" tag.
In an aircraft with a "proper" (separate) intercom, there
will be no incompatibility issues with DC headsets as each
microphone has a separate circuit.
I know the KX125 I have has only one microphone circuit
available so I have a separate intercom. Other radios may
have more than one mike circuit (and therefore probably
more than one PTT circuit) but I am not aware of them.
I suggest therefore that throwing away your intercom may
not be a good idea with certain radios. Obviously if you
only connect one headset up then the radio intercom is
fine, but with one one headset you don't have anyone to
communicate with through the intercom !!!!!!!
Richard Holder
G-OWWW
aka ANRMAN
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom Do you need one |
Hi Remi
I was indeed missing something! And missed that article thanks for the
pointer. What a crazy set up only the EU bureaucrats could dream that one
up. Still I have no plans to change till I have to in 4 years time and by
then it may be sorted out.
Regards
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner
Sent: 06 November 2013 20:48
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Intercom Do you need one
Pete,
I thought it was as simple as that before I read an article in the May 2013
issue of the Light Aviation magazine. You must transmit/receive on a given
frequency in 25kHz mode or in 8.33 mode depending on the mode used by the
ATC unit for that frequency. Let's say the required frequency is 130.025,
the radio will transmit/receive on 130.025 on 25kHz mode. Now dial 130.030,
the radio will transmit/receive on the same 130.025 but on 8.33kHz mode.
Crazy, isnit ? Now dial 130.035 and you will transmit/receive on 130.0333
(130.025+8.33) on 8.33 mode. Dial 130.040 and you will get 130.0416
(130.0333+8.33). Next frequency will be 130.050, and so on....
Remi
[quote] Am I missing something here? Why do you need to switch modes to
work in the 25 spacing? Does not the 8.33 spacing simply provide 2 extra
frequencies in
the gap between the exiting 25 spaced ones?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412283#412283
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System for 914 |
I believe it makes pressure regulation easier. Pressure regulation works
by returning not needed flow (that is most of the forward flow) to the tank.
With pumps in parallel the second pump doubles the flow which requires
quick action from the regulator; also, the maximum pressure drop in the
return line (0.25 bar?) is easily exceeded . With pumps in series the
second pump does almost nothing (except double the maximum attainable
pressure at no flow condition - not relevant - and making it doubly
certain that the required flow is there).
Jan de Jong
On 11/6/2013 9:49 PM, William Daniell wrote:
>
> My manual from 2003 (J)shows the fuel pumps for a 914 in parallel.
> Does anyone know why the latest manual has pumps in series?
>
> Thanks
>
> Will
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone who can spare a small sample of Araldite 420? |
Andrew:
You shouldn't need to do comparison testing. When doing tensile testing your joint
should not fail at the adhesive. Your sample coupon should fail at the base
material. Make your coupon out of the requisite number of fiberglass layers.
You want to ensure your adhesive is stronger than the material you are gluing
together. I've done tensile tests on my old adhesive and always had the fiberglass
break before the adhesive gave way.
Steve Hagar.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 6, 2013 10:54 AM
>To: Europa List <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Anyone who can spare a smalgethel sample of Araldite 420?
>
>
>I am hoping someone can send me a small sample of unexpired Araldite
>420 for comparative testing.
>
>I have a large batch of long expired Araldite 420.Although it seems to
>cure as strong as when it was new, I want to do some quantitative
>tensile tests before using it on critical parts. However, I would needlayer
>some unexpired samples to compare against. I would only need perhaps 2
>or 3 ounces worth. If anyone would be kind enough to send me a small
>vial of the unexpired resin and hardener, that would much appreciated.
>Since I am in the U.S., mailing logistics may be easiest from
>U.S.builders.
>
>Of course, I would share the results of this tests with everyone once
>I have them.
>
>
>Thank you
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone who can spare a small sample of Araldite 420? |
Steve
Thanks for the reply. I was considering doing the tests on metal
plates to get a quantitative idea of the degradation, but what you say
makes more sense since the critical bonds on the Europa are mostly to
fiberglass.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:10 PM, hagargs <hagargs@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Andrew:
>
> You shouldn't need to do comparison testing. When doing tensile testing your
joint should not fail at the adhesive. Your sample coupon should fail at the
base material. Make your coupon out of the requisite number of fiberglass layers.
You want to ensure your adhesive is stronger than the material you are gluing
together. I've done tensile tests on my old adhesive and always had the
fiberglass break before the adhesive gave way.
>
> Steve Hagar.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Nov 6, 2013 10:54 AM
>>To: Europa List <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Europa-List: Anyone who can spare a smalgethel sample of Araldite 420?
>>
>>
>>I am hoping someone can send me a small sample of unexpired Araldite
>>420 for comparative testing.
>>
>>I have a large batch of long expired Araldite 420.Although it seems to
>>cure as strong as when it was new, I want to do some quantitative
>>tensile tests before using it on critical parts. However, I would needlayer
>>some unexpired samples to compare against. I would only need perhaps 2
>>or 3 ounces worth. If anyone would be kind enough to send me a small
>>vial of the unexpired resin and hardener, that would much appreciated.
>>Since I am in the U.S., mailing logistics may be easiest from
>>U.S.builders.
>>
>>Of course, I would share the results of this tests with everyone once
>>I have them.
>>
>>
>>Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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