---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/20/13: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:27 AM - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:15 AM - Re: Wing leveller (richard) 2. 05:52 AM - panel new generation (Max Cointe (Free)) 3. 05:58 AM - TR: panel new generation (Max Cointe (Free)) 4. 06:16 AM - long wing spin test results? (Peter Zutrauen) 5. 06:43 AM - unusable fuel () 6. 08:22 AM - Re: long wing spin test results? (Iancook) 7. 08:24 AM - Re: unusable fuel (David Joyce) 8. 09:12 AM - Re: unusable fuel (Peter Zutrauen) 9. 09:38 AM - Re: unusable fuel (David Joyce) 10. 09:41 AM - Flydat (David Joyce) 11. 09:51 AM - Slimline Slip/Skid balnce ball (jonathanmilbank) 12. 10:13 AM - Re: Wing leveller (Kelvin Cobb) 13. 10:25 AM - Radio /intercom interference (robertpeterfrost) 14. 10:32 AM - Re: Radio /intercom interference (Martin Tuck) 15. 11:25 AM - Re: Radio /intercom interference (Brian Davies) 16. 12:34 PM - Re: long wing spin test results? (Steven Pitt) 17. 06:36 PM - Re: Slimline Slip/Skid balnce ball (Robert Borger) 18. 07:41 PM - Saggy outriggers (Kingsley Hurst) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:39 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Value of the List... If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to think of it, you do... :-) Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these Lists? http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!! Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:15 AM PST US From: "richard" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing leveller Hi Kevin I have noted your reply to David Joyce=99s request for s/hand autopilot, by =9Cnavaid=9D do you mean the AI unit, if so how did it perform, was it as accurate as a full blown mechanical AI ? I have a limited panel fitted at the moment and miss not having the attitude indicator but have baulked at the cost and weight of fitting one. Hope you find what your looking for David. Regards Richard. From: Kelvin Cobb Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing leveller Hello David, I have the navaid head but no servo if that's any help? Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2013, at 16:45, DAVID JOYCE wrote: Does anyone have a wing leveller or autopilot suitable for a Europa that is gathering dust? rgds David The other one Sent to you from David Joyce www.eastmidsspas.com D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ot;">www.aeroelectric.com books.com"">www.buildersbooks.com quot;">www.homebuilthelp.com quot;">www.mypilotstore.com ">www.mrrace.com ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D a-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D //forums.matronics.com D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:35 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe (Free)" Subject: Europa-List: panel new generation Hi there All, Any news about the XS new panel study of which we saw some picture early this year (I think)? Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=92A=E9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:09 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe (Free)" Subject: Europa-List: TR: panel new generation Hoops ! i t was in the October news letter=85 =D8 Any news about the XS new panel study of which we saw some picture early this year (I think)? http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/news/item/october-2012-newsletter Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=92A=E9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures De : Max Cointe (Free) [mailto:mcointe@free.fr] Envoy=E9 : mercredi 20 novembre 2013 14:52 =C0 : 'europa-list@matronics.com' Objet : panel new generation Hi there All, Any news about the XS new panel study of which we saw some picture early this year (I think)? Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=92A=E9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:50 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Europa-List: long wing spin test results? Has anyone heard of any updates since: "Europa Motor Glider wing awaiting approval We have submitted the results of the Motorglider spin testing to the LAA and we are currently discussing this with them. We are hopeful of a resolution and an approval in the not too distant future." I'm sure folks would like to see what the spin tests and their results were. Cheers and thx, Pete A239 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:12 AM PST US From: Subject: Europa-List: unusable fuel Cheers, I will shortly be fussing about W&B, or CofG if you wish, and note the need to load unavailable tank fuel to the fuselage for measurement. Can anyone produce the figure in use by (a) the authority, (b) the kit maker, (c) the fuel guru or (d) a wild stab? I hesitate to admit the tank is a 1997 unit..... I don't relish all this at minus 5 Celcius but have to look busy at something. Fair winds, Ferg C-FFGG ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:47 AM PST US From: Iancook Subject: Re: Europa-List: long wing spin test results? LAA confirmed with me today they are now satisfied with results and are doin g the necessary paperwork to issue the PERMIT TO FLY . Ian G-CBHI Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Nov 2013, at 16:15, Peter Zutrauen wrote: > > Has anyone heard of any updates since: > > "Europa Motor Glider wing awaiting approval > We have submitted the results of the Motorglider spin testing to the LAA a nd we are currently discussing this with them. We are hopeful of a resolutio n and an approval in the not too distant future." > > I'm sure folks would like to see what the spin tests and their results wer e. > > Cheers and thx, > > Pete A239 > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:01 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: unusable fuel Ferg, Ideally you measure it yourself. Put say 15 litres in the tank (which will run into both sides) and then with the plane in a flying attitude (ie sill about level) run a fuel pump with the fuel pipe disconnected and draining into a measuring cylinder. What you have left is the bit you are looking for and you either just weigh the plane without bothering to learn exactly how much it is, and/or subtract what came out into your measuring cylinder from what you put in the tank. All the best, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:42:32 -0500 wrote: > Cheers, > > I will shortly be fussing about W&B, or CofG >if you wish, and > note the need to load unavailable tank fuel to the >fuselage for measurement. > > Can anyone produce the figure in use by (a) the >authority, (b) the kit > maker, (c) the fuel guru or (d) a wild stab? I hesitate >to admit the tank is > a 1997 unit..... > > I don't relish all this at minus 5 Celcius >but have to look busy > at something. > >Fair winds, > >Ferg C-FFGG > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:34 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: unusable fuel shouldn't it be done at max climb angle? Cheers, Pete A239 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM, David Joyce wrote: > davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> > > Ferg, Ideally you measure it yourself. Put say 15 litres in the tank > (which will run into both sides) and then with the plane in a flying > attitude (ie sill about level) run a fuel pump with the fuel pipe > disconnected and draining into a measuring cylinder. What you have left is > the bit you are looking for and you either just weigh the plane without > bothering to learn exactly how much it is, and/or subtract what came out > into your measuring cylinder from what you put in the tank. > All the best, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:42:32 -0500 > wrote: > >> Cheers, >> I will shortly be fussing about W&B, or CofG if you wish, and >> note the need to load unavailable tank fuel to the fuselage for >> measurement. >> >> Can anyone produce the figure in use by (a) the authority, (b) the kit >> maker, (c) the fuel guru or (d) a wild stab? I hesitate to admit the tank >> is >> a 1997 unit..... >> >> I don't relish all this at minus 5 Celcius but have to look >> busy >> at something. >> >> Fair winds, >> >> Ferg C-FFGG >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:07 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: unusable fuel Peter , You could make an argument for that, but I would guess most pilots running low on fuel will be flying level in the hope of getting to somewhere landable, and on top of that it seems a pity to add unnecessarily to your ready for service weight if you are going to have your max allowed pay load reduced by the same amount. Regards, David On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:11:30 -0500 Peter Zutrauen wrote: > shouldn't it be done at max climb angle? > > Cheers, > Pete > A239 > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM, David Joyce >wrote: > >> davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> >> >> Ferg, Ideally you measure it yourself. Put say 15 litres >>in the tank >> (which will run into both sides) and then with the plane >>in a flying >> attitude (ie sill about level) run a fuel pump with the >>fuel pipe >> disconnected and draining into a measuring cylinder. >>What you have left is >> the bit you are looking for and you either just weigh >>the plane without >> bothering to learn exactly how much it is, and/or >>subtract what came out >> into your measuring cylinder from what you put in the >>tank. >> All the best, David Joyce, G-XSDJ >> >> >> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:42:32 -0500 >> wrote: >> >>> Cheers, >>> I will shortly be fussing about W&B, or CofG >>>if you wish, and >>> note the need to load unavailable tank fuel to the >>>fuselage for >>> measurement. >>> >>> Can anyone produce the figure in use by (a) the >>>authority, (b) the kit >>> maker, (c) the fuel guru or (d) a wild stab? I hesitate >>>to admit the tank >>> is >>> a 1997 unit..... >>> >>> I don't relish all this at minus 5 Celcius >>>but have to look >>> busy >>> at something. >>> >>> Fair winds, >>> >>> Ferg C-FFGG >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:39 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: Flydat I have a Flydat surplus to requirements should anyone have had theirs pack up on them. Working perfectly. Happy to part with it to a good home for a modest donation to a charity (Children in Need or Motor Neurone Disease Association). Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:00 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Slimline Slip/Skid balnce ball From: "jonathanmilbank" Please would someone sell me a simple balance ball of the slimline horizontal type i.e. not the type in a round housing designed to fit into a 2.25 inch hole in the instrument panel. The type I need is made by Rieker Phila and has P/N 10-00700 or S/N 115907 in the Aircraft Spruce listings. No hole is needed to be cut into the panel and it just screws on to the panel surface. I'm trying to avoid paying the $85-ish 65-ish for something that I really don't need at such a price. After all, my EFIS has a balance ball as part of its display and so the mechanical one is just a back-up. Please help. Many thanks, Jonathan. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413579#413579 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing leveller From: Kelvin Cobb Hello Richard, I've not fitted the navaid wing levelling auto pilot yet. The head unit was a lready fitted when I purchased my plane, but when I tried to get a servo, I e nded up buying a complete secondhand system, that's why I have a spare instr ument. Sorry I can't answer your question..... Kelvin Sent from my iPad > On 20 Nov 2013, at 12:14, richard wrote: > > Hi Kevin > I have noted your reply to David Joyce=99s request for s/hand autopi lot, by =9Cnavaid=9D do you mean the AI unit, if so how did it p erform, was it as accurate as a full blown mechanical AI ? > I have a limited panel fitted at the moment and miss not having the attitu de indicator but have baulked at the cost and weight of fitting one. > Hope you find what your looking for David. > Regards Richard. > > From: Kelvin Cobb > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:18 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing leveller > > Hello David, > I have the navaid head but no servo if that's any help? > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 18 Nov 2013, at 16:45, DAVID JOYCE wrote: >> >> Does anyone have a wing leveller or autopilot suitable for a Europa that i s gathering dust? >> >> rgds >> David >> The other one >> >> Sent to you from David Joyce >> www.eastmidsspas.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> ot;">www.aeroelectric.com >> books.com"">www.buildersbooks.com >> quot;">www.homebuilthelp.com >> quot;">www.mypilotstore.com >> ">www.mrrace.com >> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> a-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> //forums.matronics.com >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.mypilotstore.com">www.mypilotstore.com > href="http://www.mrrace.com">www.mrrace.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ch ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:07 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Radio /intercom interference From: "robertpeterfrost" Hi all I have a tri-gear XS with a 914 turbo engine and constant speed prop, when we apply full turbo power on take off we get a metallic ticking/clanging noise through the Becker radio / 403 mc intercom, it rarely recedes when we throttle back which is extremely annoying . The avionics were wired professionally but the noise just won't go away completely. Has anyone any suggestions what could be causing this or have you had a similar problem that you resolved, Suggestions would be welcome? Regards Robert Frost -------- Robert Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413584#413584 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radio /intercom interference From: Martin Tuck Turn the Squelch knob to the left on the 403 MC. It is picking up the ambient noise so needs to be less sensitive. I had similar sounds and this cured it. Just turn it until the unwanted noise stops, too much and you can't hear your passenger. Martin Tuck Sent from my iPad > On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "robertpeterfrost" wrote: > > > Hi all > > I have a tri-gear XS with a 914 turbo engine and constant speed prop, when we apply full turbo power on take off we get a metallic ticking/clanging noise through the Becker radio / 403 mc intercom, it rarely recedes when we throttle back which is extremely annoying . The avionics were wired professionally but the noise just won't go away completely. Has anyone any suggestions what could be causing this or have you had a similar problem that you resolved, > Suggestions would be welcome? > > Regards > > Robert Frost > > -------- > Robert > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413584#413584 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:26 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Radio /intercom interference Also check the squelch button on the Becker radio. It is easy for it to be pressed accidentally and the squelch to be switched off without you realising it. A quick check is to switch the radio off and see if the noise stops. Of course if it has been there since build it could be an installation problem, most likely in the intercom wiring. Brian Davies -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Martin Tuck Sent: 20 November 2013 18:32 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radio /intercom interference Turn the Squelch knob to the left on the 403 MC. It is picking up the ambient noise so needs to be less sensitive. I had similar sounds and this cured it. Just turn it until the unwanted noise stops, too much and you can't hear your passenger. Martin Tuck Sent from my iPad > On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "robertpeterfrost" wrote: > > --> > > Hi all > > I have a tri-gear XS with a 914 turbo engine and constant speed prop, > when we apply full turbo power on take off we get a metallic ticking/clanging noise through the Becker radio / 403 mc intercom, it rarely recedes when we throttle back which is extremely annoying . The avionics were wired professionally but the noise just won't go away completely. Has anyone any suggestions what could be causing this or have you had a similar problem that you resolved, Suggestions would be welcome? > > Regards > > Robert Frost > > -------- > Robert > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413584#413584 > > > > > > > > > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:45 PM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: long wing spin test results? Ian, Well done - what a relief to hear those words. Steve Pitt ----- Original Message ----- From: Iancook To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: long wing spin test results? LAA confirmed with me today they are now satisfied with results and are doing the necessary paperwork to issue the PERMIT TO FLY . Ian G-CBHI Sent from my iPhone On 20 Nov 2013, at 16:15, Peter Zutrauen wrote: Has anyone heard of any updates since: "Europa Motor Glider wing awaiting approval We have submitted the results of the Motorglider spin testing to the LAA and we are currently discussing this with them. We are hopeful of a resolution and an approval in the not too distant future." I'm sure folks would like to see what the spin tests and their results were. Cheers and thx, Pete A239 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Slimline Slip/Skid balnce ball From: Robert Borger Jonathan, Wouldnt ACS P/N 10-00600 @ $59.80 (38.52) do as well for a more reasonable cost? Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Nov 20, 2013, at 11:50 AM, jonathanmilbank wrote: Please would someone sell me a simple balance ball of the slimline horizontal type i.e. not the type in a round housing designed to fit into a 2.25 inch hole in the instrument panel. The type I need is made by Rieker Phila and has P/N 10-00700 or S/N 115907 in the Aircraft Spruce listings. No hole is needed to be cut into the panel and it just screws on to the panel surface. I'm trying to avoid paying the $85-ish 65-ish for something that I really don't need at such a price. After all, my EFIS has a balance ball as part of its display and so the mechanical one is just a back-up. Please help. Many thanks, Jonathan. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:53 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Europa-List: Saggy outriggers All, The following is posted on behalf of Fred Klein who is having a few computer problems at the moment. Cheers Kingsley All Mono Driver / Builders, I've always marveled at the precision, geometry, and ingenuity of the outrigger retraction / latching mechanism on my monowheel...I recall the first time I heard that satisfying "THAAAWHACK" when retracting the flap and outrigger as the nylon rod engaged the end of FL3 when the wing was resting in its vertical rack. (the pix below shows my stbd outrigger encased in Kingsley Hurst's wonderful fairing). Alas...when the wing was rotated horizontally and mated to the fuselage, the weight of the outrigger was just enough to prevent full retraction and the nylon rod w/ the outrigger wheel sagged about 3/4". I was disappointed with this, particularly because whatever benefits to be derived from Kingsley's fairing depended upon full retraction, or at least that is what I thought. Upon inspection, I concluded that the sag was due to an accumulation of the tolerances for fit of the various components of the retracting mechanism, notwithstanding the high precision of their manufacture. Ultimately it became clear that the problem could be solved by a slight increase in the rotation of the outrigger w/ respect to the retraction of the flap. See Fig. 17, p. 12, chap. 9M of the build manual. See also Fig. 24, Section 6, p. 16, chap. 9M. I've accomplished this by putting an eccentric on the leading radius of the spacer OR10. I've made NO alterations to the slot in OR5; however, I have enlarged the 0.25" hole in the plastic washer adjacent in order that the spacer bears fully on the AN960-10L washer. Following trial mock-ups in aluminum, a local machinist has made me a new pair of OR10 spacers from stainless steel; the new spacers still fit in the 0.25" slot in OR5...see photo below alongside standard OR10 spacer. (The black marking on the side of the new spacer is just marker ink to differentiate it from other trial spacers.) The results could not be better...the sag is totally eliminated and there is no perceptible difference in the flap retraction / deployment lever movement or amount of force necessary. My machinist has saved the program for his CNC cutter and is willing to make up more in batches of 10 or more...contact me off list if you'd like a set. Fred No virus found in this message. 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