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1. 12:36 AM - Re: It's not fair..... (Remi Guerner)
2. 01:59 AM - Trailer Loan SE England (Sky Mail)
3. 05:21 AM - fuel tank selectors? (gtagr)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (Frans Veldman)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (Karl Heindl)
6. 07:22 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (Rowland Carson)
7. 08:02 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (Sky Mail)
8. 08:34 AM - Re: It's not fair..... (John Wigney)
9. 09:09 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (Rowland Carson)
10. 10:08 AM - Re: Trailer Loan SE England (Iancook)
11. 10:46 AM - Re: Mono dolly (spcialeffects)
12. 08:47 PM - One wing Low (AirEupora)
13. 11:38 PM - Re: One wing Low (Tony Renshaw)
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| Subject: | Re: It's not fair..... |
Ferg,
I have the same problem from time to time when reading the digest version: dozens of unreadable pages! It seems to occur on the digest version only. I do not have any explanation but one solution to get around that is to view the forum on the Matronics website: http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=9
Regards
Remi
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| Subject: | Trailer Loan SE England |
Dear Forumites
I have a need sometime in January to collect my MG wings from Yorkshire to bring
them back to near Southampton. I am still looking at options but one would
be to drive up with a mono or tri trailer with wing slings. I was wondering therefore
if anyone in the SE of England had a trailer that they might be happy
to lend me for a weekend just to do that journey?
If anyone is able to help then please let me know off forum: richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com.
Many thanks
Richard CC
XS Mono
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| Subject: | fuel tank selectors? |
Gents (and Ladies),
During this years maintenance, I'm considering putting a new fuel valve into my
flying Europa to replace the 6749 valve - which I suspect is weeping a bit (responsible
for the cockpit fuel smell problem? Does anyone have any advice/experience
of using the Andair range of selectors fitted to the upper horizontal
surface of the tunnel - just aft of the instrument panel? Not sure in particular
if at that height (about 350mm higher than the tank outlets) it may cause
problems - and if to overcome that, if anyone has used a remote selector connected
by a shaft to the valve sited closer to the fuselage floor? Soonest replies
appreciated.
Clive Sutton
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank selectors? |
On 12/04/2013 02:21 PM, gtagr wrote:
> Does anyone have any advice/experience of using the Andair
> range of selectors fitted to the upper horizontal surface of the
> tunnel - just aft of the instrument panel? Not sure in particular if
> at that height (about 350mm higher than the tank outlets) it may
> cause problems - and if to overcome that, if anyone has used a remote
> selector connected by a shaft to the valve sited closer to the
> fuselage floor? Soonest replies appreciated.
I have such an Andair selector (like many others), and indeed mounted it
quite low with an extension shaft to the selector knob. I'm very happy
with the setup.
The Europa supplied fuel valve is a piece of junk if you ask me, never
installed it (like so many other supplied pieces). I got the impression
it is for the water supply in the house and never intended for fuel, let
alone for installation in an aircraft. It is heavy as well.
Frans
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| Subject: | fuel tank selectors? |
Hi Frans=2C
My Andair fuel valve is mounted on the fuselage floor=2C and the selector
is on top of the tunnel at the very back. If I remember correctly=2C I obta
ined an extension piece from Andair.Karl
> Date: Wed=2C 4 Dec 2013 14:55:28 +0100
> From: frans@privatepilots.nl
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank selectors?
>
>
> On 12/04/2013 02:21 PM=2C gtagr wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any advice/experience of using the Andair
> > range of selectors fitted to the upper horizontal surface of the
> > tunnel - just aft of the instrument panel? Not sure in particular if
> > at that height (about 350mm higher than the tank outlets) it may
> > cause problems - and if to overcome that=2C if anyone has used a remote
> > selector connected by a shaft to the valve sited closer to the
> > fuselage floor? Soonest replies appreciated.
>
> I have such an Andair selector (like many others)=2C and indeed mounted i
t
> quite low with an extension shaft to the selector knob. I'm very happy
> with the setup.
>
> The Europa supplied fuel valve is a piece of junk if you ask me=2C never
> installed it (like so many other supplied pieces). I got the impression
> it is for the water supply in the house and never intended for fuel=2C le
t
> alone for installation in an aircraft. It is heavy as well.
>
> Frans
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank selectors? |
On 4 Dec 2013, at 13:21, gtagr wrote:
> Does anyone have any advice/experience of using the Andair range of selectors
fitted to the upper horizontal surface of the tunnel - just aft of the instrument
panel? Not sure in particular if at that height (about 350mm higher than
the tank outlets) it may cause problems - and if to overcome that, if anyone
has used a remote selector connected by a shaft to the valve sited closer to the
fuselage floor?
Clive - I installed my Andair selector before I bonded in the cockpit module (which
is probably a lot easier than doing it as an upgrade to an existing installation).
You can see some of the pictures of my installation at;
http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/fuel_valve_trial.php
and
http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/fuel_pipes.php
and other pictures nearby in the sequence.
I haven't yet had official approval of this specific arrangement, but I believe
it is quite similar to what some others have done.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank selectors? |
Hi Rowland - in your installation using metal fuel pipes instead of rubber hoses,
where are your fuel filters - aren't they installed between the tank and the
fuel selector when you use rubber hoses or have I misunderstood the build manual?
Richard CC
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> On 4 Dec 2013, at 15:21, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 4 Dec 2013, at 13:21, gtagr wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have any advice/experience of using the Andair range of selectors
fitted to the upper horizontal surface of the tunnel - just aft of the instrument
panel? Not sure in particular if at that height (about 350mm higher than
the tank outlets) it may cause problems - and if to overcome that, if anyone
has used a remote selector connected by a shaft to the valve sited closer to
the fuselage floor?
>
> Clive - I installed my Andair selector before I bonded in the cockpit module
(which is probably a lot easier than doing it as an upgrade to an existing installation).
>
> You can see some of the pictures of my installation at;
>
> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/fuel_valve_trial.php
>
> and
>
> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/fuel_pipes.php
>
> and other pictures nearby in the sequence.
>
> I haven't yet had official approval of this specific arrangement, but I believe
it is quite similar to what some others have done.
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: It's not fair..... |
Hi Fred,
I do not think that it is you or your computer. I received the same vast
package (world record, I think) of random numbers and letters. I get my
Europa list messages using the daily digest summary and I think the
Matronics server has indigestion with some attachments in the summary
digest format. In fact it usually strips off attachments. If you change
to the simple delivery of emails as they are sent, you may not have the
problem.
This is all just part of life's rich pattern and meant to confuse those
of us who are not 'with it'.
Cheers, John
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/Time: 07:14:30 AM PST US
From://<f.kyle@sympatico.ca>//
Subject: Europa-List: It's not fair.....
Cheers,
I feel I'm losing vital information - and perhaps should consult
a local guru. Today's (3DEC) listing includes about 8k of data in the form
of letters and numbers, which my computer has failed to interpret. This is
not the first time, and I'm wondering if I'm no longer "with it".
Please put me out of my misery - technically speaking.
Fair winds,
Ferg
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 07:59:14 AM PST US
From: Fred Klein//<fklein@orcasonline.com>//
Subject: Re: Europa-List: It's not fair.....
On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:13 AM,//<f.kyle@sympatico.ca>// //<f.kyle@sympatico.ca>//
wrote:
/
> / I feel I=92m losing vital information - and perhaps should
> /
/consult a local guru. Today=92s (3DEC) listing includes about 8k of data
in the form of letters and numbers, which my computer has failed to
interpret. This is not the first time, and I=92m wondering if I=92m no
longer =93with it=94.
Ferg...one suggestion:
If you've had your computer for a while, have a chat w/ your ISP and
review its specs...it may be time for a new one, or perhaps a used
machine of more recent vintage.
Fred
/
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank selectors? |
On 4 Dec 2013, at 16:02, Sky Mail wrote:
> Hi Rowland - in your installation using metal fuel pipes instead of rubber hoses,
where are your fuel filters - aren't they installed between the tank and
the fuel selector when you use rubber hoses or have I misunderstood the build
manual?
Richard - sorry, I guess I should have explained that. After considerable thought,
I've decided not to use the filters (as supplied in the kit and described
in the manual) between the tank and the selector. I understand other aircraft
have been cleared to fly with a similar arrangement to mine. (I think I've heard
that the prototype Europa fuel system originally used a single filter downstream
of the selector and this was only changed to separate ones because it could
block so easily.)
I'm using an Andair gascolator to be mounted under the baggage area near the electric
fuel pump. It provides better filtering than the inline filters supplied
in the kits, but nonetheless is more resistant to blockage by debris. I recognise
it presents a potential risk as a single point of failure, but in contrast
to the inline filters it offers easy checking (and particularly cleaning if
necessary) before every flight.
Another reason for discarding the supplied filters was that I couldn't find an
elegant way of interconnecting them with the aluminium piping.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Trailer Loan SE England |
Richard contact me when I am back in the UK next week
Ian Cook
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> On 4 Dec 2013, at 11:58, Sky Mail <richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Forumites
>
> I have a need sometime in January to collect my MG wings from Yorkshire to bring
them back to near Southampton. I am still looking at options but one would
be to drive up with a mono or tri trailer with wing slings. I was wondering
therefore if anyone in the SE of England had a trailer that they might be happy
to lend me for a weekend just to do that journey?
>
> If anyone is able to help then please let me know off forum: richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com.
>
> Many thanks
> Richard CC
> XS Mono
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I have been following this thread quite closely as i am building a mono and one
day it will need to stand on its own. I have seen many different solution's to
the problem but yours David or Roger's is the best iv seen as not only does
it hold the fuselage upright it can be raised to replace pads ect AND it can be
used to hold the fuselage in transit AND hold it while rigging!! I was that
taken with it that last evening i started to make my own my taking splash mouldings
of the fuselage, so as was said before thanks for sharing David. Thanks
Frank
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I have been trying to figure out why my airplane flies One Wing Low on the left
wing.
I have tried a number of things to see if I could get the wing up. Bud suggested
that I tape a couple of pencils to the opposite Aileron and that helped, but
not help that much.
I have lower the flap on the left and that has helped in the cruise flight, but
as soon as I slow down the wing well drop. I have attached a couple of picture
showing the aileron that I need for cruise flight.
When I installed the W26A I took pictures of both wings showing 2.5 degrees. I
also took picture of the string across the wings tips.
Yesterday, I took measurement of the wings using a 'T"-square. The measure show
that the wing is installed very close as I also took measurement off another
Europa in the hangar.
My measurements were as follows:
Left Tip F/A Root Root F/A
Tip
8 8 7/16 8 7/8" 9 1/2" 8 1/2" 8 1/4"
F/A stand for mid wing where flaps and aileron come together.
I then took measurement from the tail plane tips to the aileron tip break out.
133 and 131 maybe 7/8.
I took an inside measurement from the fuselage tail plane leading edge to the aileron
break out of 165 7/8 and 165
Im thinking that I might place a shim in the left W26A and move the wing forward.
The inch that it seems is out.
Id like to hear from you your thoughts regarding what I might do to correct it.
One other thing, I weight 250lbs. I have put sand bags up to 150lbs in the right
seat. It did not help with my problem.
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| Subject: | Re: One wing Low |
For what it's worth, I think you could have one wingtip inches ahead/behind the
other and if the angle of incidence was the same on both, there would be negligible
roll. Remember that the wing that is more aft is still producing in essence
the same amount of lift. A smart bunny might be able to work it out but there
just isn't anything in it. To move any primary structure now would be an
immense gig. There has tobe other tweaks.
Tony R.
Sent from my iPad
> On 5 Dec 2013, at 2:46 pm, "AirEupora" <AirEupora@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> I have been trying to figure out why my airplane flies One Wing Low on the left
wing.
> I have tried a number of things to see if I could get the wing up. Bud suggested
that I tape a couple of pencils to the opposite Aileron and that helped, but
not help that much.
>
> I have lower the flap on the left and that has helped in the cruise flight, but
as soon as I slow down the wing well drop. I have attached a couple of picture
showing the aileron that I need for cruise flight.
>
> When I installed the W26A I took pictures of both wings showing 2.5 degrees.
I also took picture of the string across the wings tips.
> Yesterday, I took measurement of the wings using a 'T"-square. The measure show
that the wing is installed very close as I also took measurement off another
Europa in the hangar.
> My measurements were as follows:
> Left Tip F/A Root Root F/A
Tip
> 8 8 7/16 8 7/8" 9 1/2" 8 1/2" 8 1/4"
>
> F/A stand for mid wing where flaps and aileron come together.
> I then took measurement from the tail plane tips to the aileron tip break out.
133 and 131 maybe 7/8.
> I took an inside measurement from the fuselage tail plane leading edge to the
aileron break out of 165 7/8 and 165
>
> Im thinking that I might place a shim in the left W26A and move the wing forward.
The inch that it seems is out.
> Id like to hear from you your thoughts regarding what I might do to correct it.
> One other thing, I weight 250lbs. I have put sand bags up to 150lbs in the right
seat. It did not help with my problem.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414886#414886
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/wings__25_degrees_269.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_wings__25_degrees_208.jpg
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