---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/13/13: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:25 AM - Cowling (hanaperrod) 2. 05:54 AM - Re: Cowling (gtagr) 3. 07:17 AM - Re: It's not Fair! (rampil) 4. 07:19 AM - Re: Lines of text too long for screen (rampil) 5. 07:21 AM - Re: Fuel tank outlet connector hose (h&jeuropa) 6. 07:46 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (Andrew Sarangan) 7. 08:11 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (Frans Veldman) 8. 09:22 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (Paul McAllister) 9. 09:51 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (Andrew Sarangan) 10. 10:03 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (David Watts) 11. 10:22 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (Max Cointe (Free)) 12. 10:28 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (Peter Zutrauen) 13. 11:19 AM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (David Watts) 14. 01:06 PM - Re: fuel tank selectors? (GRAHAM SINGLETON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:31 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Cowling From: "hanaperrod" Hi Everyone. Does anyone have an upper cowling splash moulding for the opening to the engine cylinders cooling cover that I could borrow. Thanks Rod Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415488#415488 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:24 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cowling From: "gtagr" Hello Rod, I still have the moulding supplied with new LOWER cowlings to form a hole that ducts into the rotax GF cyl heads cover - is that what you are after? Let me know/address and I can post to you Clive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415495#415495 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: It's not Fair! From: "rampil" Hi Ferg, Sorry to hear of your digest problems. Sometimes the automation fails, or people (or bots) send malicious malformed messages that gum up the works. I would suggest that you try the web-based approach to reading the forums, it has many advantages, including the allowing you to pick and choose what threads to read, and the easy ability to look through other forums, like for example the Rotax Engine forum, or even the Aeroelectric forum, all with no commitment to mandatory downloads of huge piles of Email. To view the forums on the web, just click on http://forums.matronics.com or copy/paste that URL into your web browser. Cheers, Ira Now ensconced in Sunny Georgia (GA2) -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415499#415499 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:14 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Lines of text too long for screen From: "rampil" The easy fix is for posters to use an occasional carriage return when typing into a thread. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415500#415500 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:47 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel tank outlet connector hose From: "h&jeuropa" Andrew We initially used the revised fittings from Graham Singleton. With those a larger inner diameter hose is needed. One of those fittings backed out of the tank. So we made up new fittings with a lip to aid with retention. Our tank outlets are very close to 1 1/8 inch OD. We purchased preformed radiator hose whose ID is 1 1/8 and cut out straight sections to fit. Seems like we had to get preformed hoses because straight hose was not available in 1 1/8 inch. We replace these every 5 years and inspect every year. I'll post a drawing of the fitting in the next couple of days. Currently having computer problems and can't print anything! Jim & Heather N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415501#415501 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:09 AM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank selectors? Frans Why do you say "the Europa supplied fuel valve is a piece of junk"? I am not questioning it, just trying to understand. The same valve is also listed in the Aircraftspruce catalog, so I can only presume that it is an aircraft worthy valve. I agree that it looks like a backyard water faucet, but besides the appearance are there any other factors that makes is less suitable? On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Frans Veldman wrote: > > On 12/04/2013 02:21 PM, gtagr wrote: > >> Does anyone have any advice/experience of using the Andair >> range of selectors fitted to the upper horizontal surface of the >> tunnel - just aft of the instrument panel? Not sure in particular if >> at that height (about 350mm higher than the tank outlets) it may >> cause problems - and if to overcome that, if anyone has used a remote >> selector connected by a shaft to the valve sited closer to the >> fuselage floor? Soonest replies appreciated. > > I have such an Andair selector (like many others), and indeed mounted it > quite low with an extension shaft to the selector knob. I'm very happy > with the setup. > > The Europa supplied fuel valve is a piece of junk if you ask me, never > installed it (like so many other supplied pieces). I got the impression > it is for the water supply in the house and never intended for fuel, let > alone for installation in an aircraft. It is heavy as well. > > Frans > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:14 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank selectors? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2013 04:45 PM, Andrew Sarangan wrote: > Why do you say "the Europa supplied fuel valve is a piece of junk"? > I am not questioning it, just trying to understand. The same valve > is also listed in the Aircraftspruce catalog, so I can only presume > that it is an aircraft worthy valve. I agree that it looks like a > backyard water faucet, but besides the appearance are there any > other factors that makes is less suitable? It is not made of light weight materials, it has no "locking feature", and if I remember correctly one even has to modify it. "Piece of junk" is maybe exaggarated but at the time of classification I was frustrated how much I spent on kit-parts that I never used because of the inferior quality or suitability for something that was going to be a "once-in-a-lifetime" project of proud. And I never thought it would be in the Aircrafspruce catalog but assumed it was indeed a backyard water faucet. 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From: Paul McAllister Mine has functioned fine since 2004. I believe some people have had problems with them getting tight over time. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:51 AM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank selectors? Aircraftspruce also sells a big red handle (similar to Andair) to replace the stock handle. Surprisingly this handle costs than the valve itself. It seems this is the setup used in all RV aircraft. On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Frans Veldman wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 12/13/2013 04:45 PM, Andrew Sarangan wrote: > >> Why do you say "the Europa supplied fuel valve is a piece of junk"? >> I am not questioning it, just trying to understand. The same valve >> is also listed in the Aircraftspruce catalog, so I can only presume >> that it is an aircraft worthy valve. I agree that it looks like a >> backyard water faucet, but besides the appearance are there any >> other factors that makes is less suitable? > > It is not made of light weight materials, it has no "locking feature", > and if I remember correctly one even has to modify it. "Piece of junk" > is maybe exaggarated but at the time of classification I was > frustrated how much I spent on kit-parts that I never used because of > the inferior quality or suitability for something that was going to be > a "once-in-a-lifetime" project of proud. And I never thought it would > be in the Aircrafspruce catalog but assumed it was indeed a backyard > water faucet. > > Frans > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSqzErAAoJEC+zXxqs0ZzVdscP/0MLCdrmMxy1+H7b5yqiUbCi > FfX8dg/2jQA71fedjbNUZChgd2y2vEiwqnKtQVxiaVf8JWcBMgg6iWuyl2Ll8gOA > EWxcMwv9MzWgrVFd4NuwqYtBHif24F57Ey1co2+Qs9lONXr8acJ0gW3c4zLa9KM1 > bJR3MUGkiEWp+YnvOME51/pArjr4mNf722Vin1+J8AKxgPlf4D6LneyjElspztJA > Ow1l77LiIyxDEkXqWXzaDvUD6oEBaP5dDXOErdsVeQuZjymquux4dTSh4Dt9uMoa > zOGGAKnGp68zxda0VO3IWi8kgvWqyUx/1v3bNaWx5fjhEOMQ3CJdZHnQwbTV3fRI > t0mpv+vecS1ApxICUHCFmBHwybKlwZH+w+2ljgt5AJFVq3jA2mLopKYog7J+uXEg > sRx8ilpGHDMlYyYqunN115dS+O0OcpyVcet/E6Kwn0AAUW2eLmJEoLW/iz9rNKvi > /7dQHnP1a0lbq4CVinzk4NFwIe4+SKlK6GKVsS+RLnDo2HMpSuREV9gwiySjKnDm > 6bZcheusSO7jYRlESizagBdxfarFsAJqzc3vSmfKGuXmZsEJCnjpyNCqNuleGRe2 > v1jqUJg+0I9QVDYGn3XbJUhqVt8jnuuiEsi7stWqJ4CY7PcF0ffrLC9iG9HmW2Mv > gXCV9YFvlgmTtuVUvIza > =xWJD > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:14 AM PST US From: David Watts Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank selectors? Mine too, and that is since 1997 and now at 2040 hours (and I didn't replace anything else in what I thought was an excellent kit). (But what do I know! !!) Dave Watts G-BXDY Classic Monowheel > On 13 Dec 2013, at 17:21, Paul McAllister wro te: > > Mine has functioned fine since 2004. I believe some people have had probl ems with them getting tight over time. > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:33 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe (Free)" Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel tank selectors? Mine is 11 years old (2002). I have gas smelt in the cockpit when open it after few days and still can=99t find a solution. I will repalce the pipe between the cap filler and the tank with an appropriate pipe and the selector by an Andair and let you know. Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=99A=C3=A9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de David Watts Envoy=C3=A9 : vendredi 13 d=C3=A9cembre 2013 19:03 =C3 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Re: Europa-List: fuel tank selectors? Mine too, and that is since 1997 and now at 2040 hours (and I didn't replace anything else in what I thought was an excellent kit). (But what do I know!!!) Dave Watts G-BXDY Classic Monowheel On 13 Dec 2013, at 17:21, Paul McAllister wrote: Mine has functioned fine since 2004. I believe some people have had problems with them getting tight over time. 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:05 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank selectors? wow.... 2040hrs! Is that the highest time Europa? I am curious as to how the control linkages / system has held up over those many hours. Is there much increased free play? Cheers and thx, Pete A239 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 1:02 PM, David Watts wrote: > Mine too, and that is since 1997 and now at 2040 hours (and I didn't > replace anything else in what I thought was an excellent kit). (But what do > I know!!!) > > Dave Watts G-BXDY Classic Monowheel > > On 13 Dec 2013, at 17:21, Paul McAllister > wrote: > > Mine has functioned fine since 2004. I believe some people have had > problems with them getting tight over time. > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:08 AM PST US From: David Watts Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank selectors? I do not have the highest houred Europa, as I know of one other with more an d there may be others. As for control play, there is no more now than there was at the end of the b uild although there are a couple of jobs that I have had to do along the way .. I have replaced a couple of the aileron hinges and I have beefed up the flan ges that the hinges for the ailerons and trim tabs are attached to (in addit ion to the factory suggested beef up). I have also gone to the larger pins i n the tailplane attachments. The only other maintenance area is the bushes in the mono swinging arm retra ction links, which I seem to replace at around 400 hour intervals. Other than that it is just routine like disc pads etc. Dave Watts G-BXDY > On 13 Dec 2013, at 18:27, Peter Zutrauen wrote: > > wow.... 2040hrs! Is that the highest time Europa? > > I am curious as to how the control linkages / system has held up over thos e many hours. Is there much increased free play? > > Cheers and thx, > Pete > A239 > > >> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 1:02 PM, David Watts wrot e: >> Mine too, and that is since 1997 and now at 2040 hours (and I didn't repl ace anything else in what I thought was an excellent kit). (But what do I kn ow!!!) >> >> Dave Watts G-BXDY Classic Monowheel >> >>> On 13 Dec 2013, at 17:21, Paul McAllister w rote: >>> >>> Mine has functioned fine since 2004. I believe some people have had pro blems with them getting tight over time. >> >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:14 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank selectors? Max=0Aif you have the cobra filler it may have a misshapen moulding flash b ehind the =0Abottom hose joint. If the moulding flash is not smooth the hos e won't seal and will smell.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________ _________=0A From: Max Cointe (Free) =0ATo: europa-list@ma tronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 13 December 2013, 18:21=0ASubject: RE: Europa- List: fuel tank selectors?=0A =0A=0A=0AMine is 11 years old (2002). I have gas smelt in the cockpit when open it after few days and still can=99 t find a solution. I will repalce the pipe between the cap filler and the t ank with an appropriate pipe and the selector by an Andair and le t you know.=0A=C2-=0AMax=C2- Cointe=0Amcointe@free.fr=0AF-PMLH Europa X S_TriGear=0AKit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours=0A=C2-=0AF-PLDJ Dyn=99A=C3=A9ro MCR 4S =0AKit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 he ures=0A=C2-=0ADe=C2-:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:own er-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de David Watts=0AEnvoy=C3 =A9=C2-: vendredi 13 d=C3=A9cembre 2013 19:03=0A=C3=C2-: europa-list @matronics.com=0AObjet=C2-: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank selectors?=0A=C2 -=0AMine too, and that is since 1997 and now at 2040 hours (and I didn't replace anything else in what I thought was an excellent kit). 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