---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/27/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:10 AM - Weight & Balance (Fred Klein) 2. 09:41 AM - Re: Mod 78 Christmas Miracle (Alan Twigg) 3. 10:36 AM - Re: Weight & Balance (Richard Wheelwright) 4. 11:53 AM - Re: Weight & Balance (Pete) 5. 12:08 PM - Re: Weight & Balance (Richard Wheelwright) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:49 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: Weight & Balance I'm wondering if there's a mono-builder out there who has data from his (or her?) C of G calculations which would reveal how much the C of G shifts as a consequence of finish painting? In other words, I'm wondering if I have an otherwise complete aircraft in primer and do a preliminary C of G calculation, how much of a shift should I estimate will occur when painting is complete? Fred ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 78 Christmas Miracle From: Alan Twigg Dave, Did you use NAS 517-2-9 screws for CS08, if so I will take your earlier advice and order -8,-9 and -10. This blow by blow of yours is great, it needs putting together in a 'how to' to supplement Mod 78. I also bought a remote camera, as well as being helpful it showed me how much I need to clean up before I fly. Alan Twigg Kit 463 On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 4:45 AM, djaflyact wrote: > > It seems that there is a Santa Claus! My airplane is back together after > about 3 months of mod 78 work. I have attached a picture. I have a three > day trip tomorrow, so the first flight should be on Monday. > > The aileron quick connects seem to be clear of everything. The CS08 > brackets clear everything. I am not sure if the flush screws were > definitely needed, but the extra margin helps. It certainly helps in > installing the wings. I was able to get them on the airplane by myself, > which is a good sign. > > The angles all seem correct, as far as I can tell. Just a few more parts > left (wheel fairing) and that will make the test flight possible. I ran the > engine today and it ran perfectly. > > I'm planning a simple flight test. Maneuvers, stalls and a wind-up turn to > at least 3 Gs. After that, pull the wings once again and inspect. > > I also need to reprogram the airspeed limitations in the Dynon Skyview. > Does anyone know what they are? Vmo is 127 knotrs, I think. Anyone know > what maneuvering speed is? Top of the yellow? > > Our long national nightmare i almost over! > > Dave > A227 > Mini U2 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416237#416237 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/pre_flight_142.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/engine_run_pre_flight_203.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:30 AM PST US From: Richard Wheelwright Subject: Re: Europa-List: Weight & Balance Fred=0A- - -If you know the wight of your finished aircraft and then paint it, it will balance out exactly the same but be heaver, there should be no shift unless you put all the paint on the rear fin and non on the cow ls. I hope I have understood your Question.=0A-=0A======= ==============0A=0ARichard Wheelwright=0A== ===================0A=0A=0A____________ ____________________=0A From: Fred Klein =0ATo: eur opa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 27 December 2013, 17:09=0ASubject: red Klein =0A=0AI'm wondering if there's a mono-bui lder out there who has data from his (or her?) C of G calculations which wo uld reveal how much the C of G shifts as a consequence of finish painting? =0A=0AIn other words, I'm wondering if I have an otherwise complete aircraf t in primer and do a preliminary C of G calculation, how much of a shift sh ===== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Weight & Balance From: Pete I'm not convinced of that, since the paint density is constant throughout an d the moment arm is much much longer for the paint on the fin than on the co wls. I would expect the cg to move rearward slightly....how much I'd have no idea .. Cheers, Pete a239 > On Dec 27, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Richard Wheelwright wrote: > > Fred > If you know the wight of your finished aircraft and then paint it, it will balance out exactly the same but be heaver, there should be no shift u nless you put all the paint on the rear fin and non on the cowls. I hope I h ave understood your Question. > > =================== > Richard Wheelwright > =================== > > From: Fred Klein > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, 27 December 2013, 17:09 > Subject: Europa-List: Weight & Balance > > > I'm wondering if there's a mono-builder out there who has data from his (o r her?) 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