---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/30/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:45 AM - Re: Mod 7 flight ready (Ian Cook) 2. 04:01 AM - Re: Mod 7 flight ready (alan.twigg775@gmail.com) 3. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: Mod 7 flight ready (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 4. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: Mod 7 flight ready (Kevin Klinefelter) 5. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Mod 7 flight ready (Alan Twigg) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:16 AM PST US From: Ian Cook Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 7 flight ready Alan, I have not responded because I do not know, having not built it myself. Can the bolts been seen with the A/C rigged? I am waiting for paperwork and weather to get the last test flight completed so we can get the Permit to Fly sorted, so cannot pull the wing off at the moment. Ian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alan.twigg775@gmail.com Sent: 29 December 2013 09:11 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 7 flight ready Ian, did Europa have to change the hex bolts on CS08, both Dave and I feel the need to do so. As you know it is a little easier for Dave with EAA than for us. If the factory felt the need the amendment to Mod 78 would be the simplest route. Regards Alan Twigg Motorglider Kit 463 Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Dec 2013, at 08:44, Ian Cook wrote: > > > Dave, > I can confirm the current Vne for the UK MG is still 127 knots > indicated, at a max weight of 1370 lb with C of G limits 60.4" to > 62.5". I am still awaiting for all the other limits to be formally > specified by the LAA as part of the Certification process along with > the issue of the Permit to Fly. Europa issued a modified ASI glass > with revised colour bandings that we used during the spinning trial > for G-CBHI, but I have not had it confirmed these are the final > approved figures. I may know a bit more when the LAA return to work > next week as I am trying to get an agreed Flight Test schedule issued. > > Best Regards > > Ian Cook > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of djaflyact > Sent: 29 December 2013 00:38 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Mod 7 flight ready > > > Again, I'm not sure how many are interested in this, but here is > another > update: > > The last issue I had with the prep for flight was the pip pin engaging > with the bellville washer. I installed the pin and it seemed to be > barely engaging the washer, if at all. I could not pull it back. I > planned to drill an inspection hole in the wing root faring to put the > video snake in to see if the pin head is coming through the fatter > spar. I worked on it today and discovered that I can look through the > inspection hole to the port fuel tank outlet and see the end of the > pip pin. It was fully engaged. I was able to work it back and > determine the shim washers to account for the play. Two thick washers did the trick. > > The airplane is now ready for flight. If the weather cooperates, > tomorrow will be first flight. I will post the results of that flight. > > The gut check is that the wing root fairings are mating with the > fuselage as they were before - within reasonable limits. It does feel > good to have the stronger structure now. > > Does anyone know what the speed are supposed to be on the modified airplane? > I have 127 knots for Vne from the past, but the website shows 165 > knots on the specs - the same as the short wing airplane. I also > have 97 knots for maneuvering speed and the top of the green arc. With > that speed, normal cruise will be well into the yellow arc. I see > around 110 knots IAS in normal cruise. That is at about 28 inches. Rotax 914. > > Dave > A227 > Mini U2 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416297#416297 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 7 flight ready From: alan.twigg775@gmail.com Thanks Ian, no these are the arms behind the spars and in front of the tank, that hold the aileron rods attaching to the self connecting feature. With the hex bolts in they scrape on the right hand spar. Let us know when flying is to take place, we can visit in G-VKIT. Happy new year Alan Sent from my iPhone > On 30 Dec 2013, at 08:44, Ian Cook wrote: > > > Alan, > I have not responded because I do not know, having not built it > myself. Can the bolts been seen with the A/C rigged? I am waiting for > paperwork and weather to get the last test flight completed so we can get > the Permit to Fly sorted, so cannot pull the wing off at the moment. > > Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > alan.twigg775@gmail.com > Sent: 29 December 2013 09:11 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 7 flight ready > > > Ian, did Europa have to change the hex bolts on CS08, both Dave and I feel > the need to do so. As you know it is a little easier for Dave with EAA than > for us. If the factory felt the need the amendment to Mod 78 would be the > simplest route. > Regards > Alan Twigg > Motorglider > Kit 463 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 29 Dec 2013, at 08:44, Ian Cook wrote: >> >> >> Dave, >> I can confirm the current Vne for the UK MG is still 127 knots >> indicated, at a max weight of 1370 lb with C of G limits 60.4" to >> 62.5". I am still awaiting for all the other limits to be formally >> specified by the LAA as part of the Certification process along with >> the issue of the Permit to Fly. Europa issued a modified ASI glass >> with revised colour bandings that we used during the spinning trial >> for G-CBHI, but I have not had it confirmed these are the final >> approved figures. I may know a bit more when the LAA return to work >> next week as I am trying to get an agreed Flight Test schedule issued. >> >> Best Regards >> >> Ian Cook >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of djaflyact >> Sent: 29 December 2013 00:38 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Mod 7 flight ready >> >> >> Again, I'm not sure how many are interested in this, but here is >> another >> update: >> >> The last issue I had with the prep for flight was the pip pin engaging >> with the bellville washer. I installed the pin and it seemed to be >> barely engaging the washer, if at all. I could not pull it back. I >> planned to drill an inspection hole in the wing root faring to put the >> video snake in to see if the pin head is coming through the fatter >> spar. I worked on it today and discovered that I can look through the >> inspection hole to the port fuel tank outlet and see the end of the >> pip pin. It was fully engaged. I was able to work it back and >> determine the shim washers to account for the play. Two thick washers did > the trick. >> >> The airplane is now ready for flight. If the weather cooperates, >> tomorrow will be first flight. I will post the results of that flight. >> >> The gut check is that the wing root fairings are mating with the >> fuselage as they were before - within reasonable limits. It does feel >> good to have the stronger structure now. >> >> Does anyone know what the speed are supposed to be on the modified > airplane? >> I have 127 knots for Vne from the past, but the website shows 165 >> knots on the specs - the same as the short wing airplane. I also >> have 97 knots for maneuvering speed and the top of the green arc. With >> that speed, normal cruise will be well into the yellow arc. I see >> around 110 knots IAS in normal cruise. That is at about 28 inches. Rotax > 914. >> >> Dave >> A227 >> Mini U2 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416297#416297 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:01 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Mod 7 flight ready Dave=0Adid the wings bend much at 3 G? Stiffening the spar stubs should hel p=0Ato give more bend and a slightly softer ride.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__ ______________________________=0A From: djaflyact =0AT o: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, 30 December 2013, 3:31=0ASubj ect: Europa-List: Re: Mod 7 flight ready=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-List message p osted by: "djaflyact" =0A=0AThe Phoenix has risen from the ashes. Test flight this morning went very well. No issues and no signi ficant changes. =0A=0AI was able to pull 3.1 Gs. That is quite a bit of pul l. This was both in a wind-up turn and a straight ahead pull.- I didn't f eel the need to go beyond that level. Its quite a dramatic maneuver. Stall characteristics normal. Trim settings unchanged from pre mod 78.=0A=0AIt to ok a few days less than 3 months to complete this. Too many hours to fathom . I hope there are no more such modification to come in the future. Anythin g else down the road should seem like a walk in the park compared to this. =0A=0AI still officially like the change of bolts to flush screws on the CS 08 brackets. Piece of mind.=0A=0A=0AThanks to Neville and Bud for all their invaluable help.=0A=0ADave=0AA227=0AMini U2 - 30 more minutes of flight ti me than 3 months ago!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp: //forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416364#416364=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttach ments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/post_flight_186.jpg=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:53 AM PST US From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Mod 7 flight ready Dave, Congratulations on a job well done. You have pretty much cured me of my desire to get a set of glider wings for my Monowheel. That was a lot of work! Kevin > On Dec 29, 2013, at 7:31 PM, "djaflyact" wrote: > > > The Phoenix has risen from the ashes. Test flight this morning went very well. No issues and no significant changes. > > I was able to pull 3.1 Gs. That is quite a bit of pull. This was both in a wind-up turn and a straight ahead pull. I didn't feel the need to go beyond that level. Its quite a dramatic maneuver. Stall characteristics normal. Trim settings unchanged from pre mod 78. > > It took a few days less than 3 months to complete this. Too many hours to fathom. I hope there are no more such modification to come in the future. Anything else down the road should seem like a walk in the park compared to this. > > I still officially like the change of bolts to flush screws on the CS08 brackets. Piece of mind. > > > Thanks to Neville and Bud for all their invaluable help. > > Dave > A227 > Mini U2 - 30 more minutes of flight time than 3 months ago! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416364#416364 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/post_flight_186.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Mod 7 flight ready From: Alan Twigg [image: Inline image 1]I am so pleased Dave is flying. I set myself a task,over the Christmas holidays, of fitting my newly modified (Mod 78) wings on the fuselage for the first time. Bushes bonded in and cured I moved on swiftly to align the wings only to find the Port wing seeming to be 1" further forward at the reference point than the Starboard wing. This means that the gap for the new front right mount will not even take the mount let alone the layups, the rear right gap is correspondingly too much. The right wing sits really well both bush gaps as expected. I have tied the wings forward to ensure no rearwards movement of the spars. I have had my remote camera in to cross check. I have a grave fear that my port spar has sagged but cannot work out how. I suppose a shim on the port spar inner bush front face will cure this, can any one think of something else, I have rigged and de rigged 4 times with different helpers. Alan Twigg kit 463 and full of dread. On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM, GRAHAM SINGLETON < grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote: > Dave > did the wings bend much at 3 G? Stiffening the spar stubs should help > to give more bend and a slightly softer ride. > Graham > > ------------------------------ > *From:* djaflyact > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, 30 December 2013, 3:31 > *Subject:* Europa-List: Re: Mod 7 flight ready > > > The Phoenix has risen from the ashes. Test flight this morning went very > well. No issues and no significant changes. > > I was able to pull 3.1 Gs. That is quite a bit of pull. This was both in a > wind-up turn and a straight ahead pull. I didn't feel the need to go > beyond that level. Its quite a dramatic maneuver. Stall characteristics > normal. Trim settings unchanged from pre mod 78. > > It took a few days less than 3 months to complete this. Too many hours to > fathom. I hope there are no more such modification to come in the future. > Anything else down the road should seem like a walk in the park compared to > this. > > I still officially like the change of bolts to flush screws on the CS08 > brackets. Piece of mind. > > > Thanks to Neville and Bud for all their invaluable help. > > Dave > A227 > Mini U2 - 30 more minutes of flight time than 3 months ago! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416364#416364 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/post_flight_186.jpg > > http://www.matronics.com/c -Matt Dralle, List Admin.; --> > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > * > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.