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1. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: Mod 7 flight ready (Alan Twigg)
2. 10:50 AM - EURO parts (phillik747)
3. 12:41 PM - Inline pass thru headphone jack. (Tony Renshaw)
4. 01:19 PM - Re: Inline pass thru headphone jack. (Andrew Sarangan)
5. 01:30 PM - Re: Inline pass thru headphone jack. (Pete)
6. 02:30 PM - Vapor pressure of gasoline? (Andrew Sarangan)
7. 02:32 PM - Re: Inline pass thru headphone jack. (Pete Lawless)
8. 02:55 PM - Re: Vapor pressure of gasoline? (Robert Borger)
9. 03:32 PM - Re: Vapor pressure of gasoline? (Andrew Sarangan)
10. 04:51 PM - Re: Inline pass thru headphone jack. (Tony Renshaw)
11. 08:35 PM - Re: Inline pass thru headphone jack. (Andrew Sarangan)
12. 08:52 PM - Re: Inline pass thru headphone jack. (Tony Renshaw)
13. 11:01 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
14. 11:05 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: Mod 7 flight ready |
Thanks Nev, I was thinking along those lines as the wing definately needs
to move reawards at the tip, this could solve both issues
Alan
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Neville Eyre <neveyre@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Alan,
> Sounds like the cockpit module might be a touch skewed, doesn't need to be
> much to throw the wing rigging out.
> Easy fix [ done it before] is a shim on the rear face of the seat back,
> thin piece of steel Reduxed on, clamp it up with a straight edge across the
> width of the module, so the port spar sits square up to it. Put a couple of
> CSK rivets in as well, so it can't get knocked off when rigging and fall
> into the bowels.
> This will true out any skew, shim won't need to be much as when the port
> tip moves aft, the stb tip will move fwd the same amount. A 1/2'' large
> area washer might even do it ?
> This will open the gap between the port lift pin / fuselage, and close
> the drag pin gap.
> Cheers,
> Nev
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Twigg <alan.twigg775@gmail.com>
> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 7:59 pm
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Mod 7 flight ready
>
> [image: Inline image 1]I am so pleased Dave is flying. I set myself a
> task,over the Christmas holidays, of fitting my newly modified (Mod 78)
> wings on the fuselage for the first time.
> Bushes bonded in and cured I moved on swiftly to align the wings only to
> find the Port wing seeming to be 1" further forward at the reference point
> than the Starboard wing. This means that the gap for the new front right
> mount will not even take the mount let alone the layups, the rear right gap
> is correspondingly too much. The right wing sits really well both bush gaps
> as expected.
> I have tied the wings forward to ensure no rearwards movement of the
> spars.
> I have had my remote camera in to cross check.
> I have a grave fear that my port spar has sagged but cannot work out how.
> I suppose a shim on the port spar inner bush front face will cure this,
> can any one think of something else, I have rigged and de rigged 4 times
> with different helpers.
> Alan Twigg
> kit 463 and full of dread.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM, GRAHAM SINGLETON <
> grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Dave
>> did the wings bend much at 3 G? Stiffening the spar stubs should help
>> to give more bend and a slightly softer ride.
>> Graham
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* djaflyact <djaflyact@gmail.com>
>> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 December 2013, 3:31
>> *Subject:* Europa-List: Re: Mod 7 flight ready
>>
>>
>> The Phoenix has risen from the ashes. Test flight this morning went very
>> well. No issues and no significant changes.
>>
>> I was able to pull 3.1 Gs. That is quite a bit of pull. This was both in
>> a wind-up turn and a straight ahead pull. I didn't feel the need to go
>> beyond that level. Its quite a dramatic maneuver. Stall characteristics
>> normal. Trim settings unchanged from pre mod 78.
>>
>> It took a few days less than 3 months to complete this. Too many hours to
>> fathom. I hope there are no more such modification to come in the future.
>> Anything else down the road should seem like a walk in the park compared to
>> this.
>>
>> I still officially like the change of bolts to flush screws on the CS08
>> brackets. Piece of mind.
>>
>>
>> Thanks to Neville and Bud for all their invaluable help.
>>
>> Dave
>> A227
>> Mini U2 - 30 more minutes of flight time than 3 months ago!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416364#416364
>>
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>> Attachments:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/post_flight_186.jpg
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Happy New year everyone! My new year's resolution is to get the tri-gear conversion
completed......
I have been going through my bin of parts and trying to get organized. I have
come across a bag called "euro washers?" and was hoping someone had a list of
"EURO" parts for identification. I have used the bushing list from the Europa
club in the past but did not see one for hardware.
Thank you for your reply,
Kyle
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Kyle
Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416424#416424
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Subject: | Inline pass thru headphone jack. |
> Gidday,
I've heard some crazy RT from some ATC ground controllers in JFK recently, c
astigating people for not getting rapid fire multi instructions right the fi
rst time, when English isn't their native language. Its quite disparaging, a
nd like my kids, always somebody else's fault/problem, but typical New York.
I'm going back there in a fortnight, wondering how I can record it cleanly.
I tried using my iPhone and the cockpit speaker, but there is an underlying
airframe whoosh sound that I want to do without. Can anyone suggest a way I
can easily record what I hear in my headsets, a jack that allows pass thu, t
hat I can plug ideally into my phone, as whilst this is a project, it is onl
y a small one and I don't need to throw a lot of money at it. Thanks in anti
cipation.
Tony Renshaw
Aussie
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Subject: | Re: Inline pass thru headphone jack. |
The easiest way is to stick an electret microphone inside the earcup
with some glue or tape, and use an ordinary digital recorder. I've
done it this way for years and has worked flawlessly. Since I fly many
different aircraft as an instructor I don't have the luxury of
modifying the intercom system. One time I tried tee-ing off the
headset audio line, but the impedance mismatch required some extra
circuitry, so it became too complicated.
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gidday,
>
> I've heard some crazy RT from some ATC ground controllers in JFK recently,
> castigating people for not getting rapid fire multi instructions right the
> first time, when English isn't their native language. Its quite
> disparaging, and like my kids, always somebody else's fault/problem, but
> typical New York. I'm going back there in a fortnight, wondering how I can
> record it cleanly. I tried using my iPhone and the cockpit speaker, but
> there is an underlying airframe whoosh sound that I want to do without. Can
> anyone suggest a way I can easily record what I hear in my headsets, a jack
> that allows pass thu, that I can plug ideally into my phone, as whilst this
> is a project, it is only a small one and I don't need to throw a lot of
> money at it. Thanks in anticipation.
> Tony Renshaw
> Aussie
>
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Subject: | Re: Inline pass thru headphone jack. |
I have had very good success with a pair of tiny microphones placed in my B
ose A20 noise canceling headsets (in a very noisy aircraft) plugged into a g
opro camera, as can be seen/heard in a YouTube flick I posted:
> http://youtu.be/ldMi4ZmFaTo
Part number is SP-BMC-2 as purchased online from http://www.soundprofessiona
ls.com
I prefer the mics over plugging directly into the intercom, as one still get
s some engine noise background for context.
Cheers, happy new year and good luck,
Pete
A239
> On Jan 1, 2014, at 3:39 PM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gidday,
> I've heard some crazy RT from some ATC ground controllers in JFK recently,
castigating people for not getting rapid fire multi instructions right the f
irst time, when English isn't their native language. Its quite disparaging,
and like my kids, always somebody else's fault/problem, but typical New Yor
k. I'm going back there in a fortnight, wondering how I can record it cleanl
y. I tried using my iPhone and the cockpit speaker, but there is an underlyi
ng airframe whoosh sound that I want to do without. Can anyone suggest a way
I can easily record what I hear in my headsets, a jack that allows pass thu
, that I can plug ideally into my phone, as whilst this is a project, it is o
nly a small one and I don't need to throw a lot of money at it. Thanks in an
ticipation.
> Tony Renshaw
> Aussie
>
>
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Subject: | Vapor pressure of gasoline? |
I was filling my tank with gas (regular E10 mogas) to check it prior
to bonding it into the module, and noticed something strange that I
could not explain. I have the outlets sealed off. I poured 10 gallons
in and closed off the inlet and the vent hole with rubber caps. After
5 minutes, when I open one of the caps, I can hear a pop, and a puff
of gasoline vapor. I close it off, wait another 5 minutes, and it does
the same thing. I put a tiny hole on the rubber cap to prevent
pressurization, but I am dumbfounded by this observation. Surely, the
vapor pressure of gasoline cannot be higher than atmospheric pressure?
Both the filled jerry cans and the tank have been in the same location
for a couple of weeks, so they should be at the same temperature. What
could be causing this?
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Subject: | Inline pass thru headphone jack. |
Hi Tony
Why not make up a jack to plug into the jump seat socket and leave your
headset out of the equation. I saw it done on a 707 using a cassette tape
recorder. No idea what sort of voltages would be involved.
Regards
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
Sent: 01 January 2014 20:39
Subject: Europa-List: Inline pass thru headphone jack.
Gidday,
I've heard some crazy RT from some ATC ground controllers in JFK recently,
castigating people for not getting rapid fire multi instructions right the
first time, when English isn't their native language. Its quite
disparaging, and like my kids, always somebody else's fault/problem, but
typical New York. I'm going back there in a fortnight, wondering how I can
record it cleanly. I tried using my iPhone and the cockpit speaker, but
there is an underlying airframe whoosh sound that I want to do without. Can
anyone suggest a way I can easily record what I hear in my headsets, a jack
that allows pass thu, that I can plug ideally into my phone, as whilst this
is a project, it is only a small one and I don't need to throw a lot of
money at it. Thanks in anticipation.
Tony Renshaw
Aussie
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Subject: | Re: Vapor pressure of gasoline? |
Andrew,
Gasoline, MoGas, Petrol, is a very complex mixture of hydrocarbons (primarily C4-C12)
with quite a number of chemical additives to provide stability, cleaning,
anti-knock, etc. You might want to read the Wikipedia page on Gasoline for
details. You will probably find your answer there.
Best regards,
Robert Borger
President, Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc.
AAPG Certified Petroleum Geophysicist #101
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com> wrote:
I was filling my tank with gas (regular E10 mogas) to check it prior
to bonding it into the module, and noticed something strange that I
could not explain. I have the outlets sealed off. I poured 10 gallons
in and closed off the inlet and the vent hole with rubber caps. After
5 minutes, when I open one of the caps, I can hear a pop, and a puff
of gasoline vapor. I close it off, wait another 5 minutes, and it does
the same thing. I put a tiny hole on the rubber cap to prevent
pressurization, but I am dumbfounded by this observation. Surely, the
vapor pressure of gasoline cannot be higher than atmospheric pressure?
Both the filled jerry cans and the tank have been in the same location
for a couple of weeks, so they should be at the same temperature. What
could be causing this?
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Subject: | Re: Vapor pressure of gasoline? |
Bob
Thanks for that suggestion. I did some searching, and think I've found
the answer. It seems winter fuels use more butane, which has a vapor
pressure of 30 psi at 20C (twice atmospheric). That is quite a bit of
pressure! So the butane boiling off must be contributing to the
pressurization of my tank.
At first I suspected ethanol, but its vapor pressure is only 1psi.
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> Gasoline, MoGas, Petrol, is a very complex mixture of hydrocarbons (primarily
C4-C12) with quite a number of chemical additives to provide stability, cleaning,
anti-knock, etc. You might want to read the Wikipedia page on Gasoline for
details. You will probably find your answer there.
>
> Best regards,
> Robert Borger
> President, Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc.
> AAPG Certified Petroleum Geophysicist #101
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
>
> On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I was filling my tank with gas (regular E10 mogas) to check it prior
> to bonding it into the module, and noticed something strange that I
> could not explain. I have the outlets sealed off. I poured 10 gallons
> in and closed off the inlet and the vent hole with rubber caps. After
> 5 minutes, when I open one of the caps, I can hear a pop, and a puff
> of gasoline vapor. I close it off, wait another 5 minutes, and it does
> the same thing. I put a tiny hole on the rubber cap to prevent
> pressurization, but I am dumbfounded by this observation. Surely, the
> vapor pressure of gasoline cannot be higher than atmospheric pressure?
> Both the filled jerry cans and the tank have been in the same location
> for a couple of weeks, so they should be at the same temperature. What
> could be causing this?
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Inline pass thru headphone jack. |
I think Pete has the answer, using a spare headset jack point. Since they ar
e not my headsets, I can't mess with them, I'll need another solution, but n
ow I just need to go from a headset jack into a more conventional audio inpu
t to a taping device. Getting closer, thank you all.
Tony R.
Sent from my iPad
> On 1 Jan 2014, at 2:31 pm, "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info> wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
>
> Why not make up a jack to plug into the jump seat socket and leave your he
adset out of the equation. I saw it done on a 707 using a cassette tape rec
order. No idea what sort of voltages would be involved.
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
> Sent: 01 January 2014 20:39
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Inline pass thru headphone jack.
>
> Gidday,
> I've heard some crazy RT from some ATC ground controllers in JFK recently,
castigating people for not getting rapid fire multi instructions right the f
irst time, when English isn't their native language. Its quite disparaging,
and like my kids, always somebody else's fault/problem, but typical New Yor
k. I'm going back there in a fortnight, wondering how I can record it cleanl
y. I tried using my iPhone and the cockpit speaker, but there is an underlyi
ng airframe whoosh sound that I want to do without. Can anyone suggest a way
I can easily record what I hear in my headsets, a jack that allows pass thu
, that I can plug ideally into my phone, as whilst this is a project, it is o
nly a small one and I don't need to throw a lot of money at it. Thanks in an
ticipation.
> Tony Renshaw
> Aussie
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
> www.homebuilthelp.com
> www.mrrace.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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Subject: | Re: Inline pass thru headphone jack. |
Tony
Aircraftspruce sells these splitters and adapters. I've tried them in
the past, and the impedance mismatch resulted in poor signal quality
unless the output volume from the intercom is adjusted to be just
right.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/categories/avionics_instruments/av/menus/av/headsetx_adapters_recording.html
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Pete has the answer, using a spare headset jack point. Since they
> are not my headsets, I can't mess with them, I'll need another solution, but
> now I just need to go from a headset jack into a more conventional audio
> input to a taping device. Getting closer, thank you all.
> Tony R.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 1 Jan 2014, at 2:31 pm, "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info> wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
>
>
> Why not make up a jack to plug into the jump seat socket and leave your
> headset out of the equation. I saw it done on a 707 using a cassette tape
> recorder. No idea what sort of voltages would be involved.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Pete
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
> Sent: 01 January 2014 20:39
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Inline pass thru headphone jack.
>
>
> Gidday,
>
> I've heard some crazy RT from some ATC ground controllers in JFK recently,
> castigating people for not getting rapid fire multi instructions right the
> first time, when English isn't their native language. Its quite
> disparaging, and like my kids, always somebody else's fault/problem, but
> typical New York. I'm going back there in a fortnight, wondering how I can
> record it cleanly. I tried using my iPhone and the cockpit speaker, but
> there is an underlying airframe whoosh sound that I want to do without. Can
> anyone suggest a way I can easily record what I hear in my headsets, a jack
> that allows pass thu, that I can plug ideally into my phone, as whilst this
> is a project, it is only a small one and I don't need to throw a lot of
> money at it. Thanks in anticipation.
>
> Tony Renshaw
>
> Aussie
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
>
> www.homebuilthelp.com
>
> www.mrrace.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Inline pass thru headphone jack. |
Gidday Andrew,
Thanks for the advice. I won't get those ones then. I might actually have something
back from my old harmonica playing days that might just do the job, it's
just I'm 7000 miles from home. I'll check as soon as I get home though. Thanks
again.
Tony R
Sent from my iPad
> On 1 Jan 2014, at 8:33 pm, Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Tony
> Aircraftspruce sells these splitters and adapters. I've tried them in
> the past, and the impedance mismatch resulted in poor signal quality
> unless the output volume from the intercom is adjusted to be just
> right.
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/categories/avionics_instruments/av/menus/av/headsetx_adapters_recording.html
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think Pete has the answer, using a spare headset jack point. Since they
>> are not my headsets, I can't mess with them, I'll need another solution, but
>> now I just need to go from a headset jack into a more conventional audio
>> input to a taping device. Getting closer, thank you all.
>> Tony R.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 1 Jan 2014, at 2:31 pm, "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> Why not make up a jack to plug into the jump seat socket and leave your
>> headset out of the equation. I saw it done on a 707 using a cassette tape
>> recorder. No idea what sort of voltages would be involved.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
>> Sent: 01 January 2014 20:39
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Europa-List: Inline pass thru headphone jack.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gidday,
>>
>> I've heard some crazy RT from some ATC ground controllers in JFK recently,
>> castigating people for not getting rapid fire multi instructions right the
>> first time, when English isn't their native language. Its quite
>> disparaging, and like my kids, always somebody else's fault/problem, but
>> typical New York. I'm going back there in a fortnight, wondering how I can
>> record it cleanly. I tried using my iPhone and the cockpit speaker, but
>> there is an underlying airframe whoosh sound that I want to do without. Can
>> anyone suggest a way I can easily record what I hear in my headsets, a jack
>> that allows pass thu, that I can plug ideally into my phone, as whilst this
>> is a project, it is only a small one and I don't need to throw a lot of
>> money at it. Thanks in anticipation.
>>
>> Tony Renshaw
>>
>> Aussie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> www.aeroelectric.com
>>
>> www.homebuilthelp.com
>>
>> www.mrrace.com
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>> --
>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> believed to be clean.
>
>
>
>
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Europa-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Europa-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Europa-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
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select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
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your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
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process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
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These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
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2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
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6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
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All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
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1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
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you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
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Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
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for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
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caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
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Please forward this information to the following email address:
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Europa-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Europa-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Europa-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Europa-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Europa-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Europa-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Europa-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Europa-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Europa
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
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for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
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and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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