---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/04/14: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:50 AM - Re: fuselage dolly (Ian Cook) 2. 12:51 AM - Re: Mod 7 flight ready (Ian Cook) 3. 02:42 AM - Re: fuselage dolly (alan.twigg775@gmail.com) 4. 07:01 AM - Re: New cockpit panel (Roland) 5. 07:22 AM - XS Tri-Gear Speed Kit Parts. (Richard Wheelwright) 6. 01:44 PM - Re: XS Tri-Gear Speed Kit Parts. (jonathanmilbank) 7. 02:18 PM - Airmaster propeller modification (jonathanmilbank) 8. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: XS Tri-Gear Speed Kit Parts. (Bob Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:32 AM PST US From: Ian Cook Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuselage dolly Alan, Did you follow this up, I also need a frame to put my new fuselage on. Now you are putting your wings on hopefully you will be flying soon? Regards Ian From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alan.twigg775@gmail.com Sent: 29 December 2013 18:29 Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuselage dolly I am most interested as my Motorglider mono nears completion. Alan Twigg 07554444077 will call tommorrow. Best regards Sent from my iPhone On 29 Dec 2013, at 17:59, "Paul & Vanessa Munford" wrote: My Europa is now standing on its own three wheels so I have no further use for the support frame. It is a large long triangular construction with braked castoring wheels on each corner. Suitable for mono or tri gear & available for a contribution to 'Help fo Heroes' charity only. Obviously for collection but does fit on a roof rack. I live in north Essex near Saffron Walden. Paul Munford kit 625. Please telephone 07816 463106. Seasons greetings to everyone & all the best for the new year 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:23 AM PST US From: Ian Cook Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 7 flight ready I have put of the flying until late next week or during the weekend. Ian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alan.twigg775@gmail.com Sent: 30 December 2013 12:01 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 7 flight ready Thanks Ian, no these are the arms behind the spars and in front of the tank, that hold the aileron rods attaching to the self connecting feature. With the hex bolts in they scrape on the right hand spar. Let us know when flying is to take place, we can visit in G-VKIT. Happy new year Alan Sent from my iPhone > On 30 Dec 2013, at 08:44, Ian Cook wrote: > > > Alan, > I have not responded because I do not know, having not built it > myself. Can the bolts been seen with the A/C rigged? I am waiting for > paperwork and weather to get the last test flight completed so we can > get the Permit to Fly sorted, so cannot pull the wing off at the moment. > > Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > alan.twigg775@gmail.com > Sent: 29 December 2013 09:11 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 7 flight ready > > > Ian, did Europa have to change the hex bolts on CS08, both Dave and I > feel the need to do so. As you know it is a little easier for Dave > with EAA than for us. If the factory felt the need the amendment to > Mod 78 would be the simplest route. > Regards > Alan Twigg > Motorglider > Kit 463 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 29 Dec 2013, at 08:44, Ian Cook wrote: >> >> >> Dave, >> I can confirm the current Vne for the UK MG is still 127 knots >> indicated, at a max weight of 1370 lb with C of G limits 60.4" to >> 62.5". I am still awaiting for all the other limits to be formally >> specified by the LAA as part of the Certification process along with >> the issue of the Permit to Fly. Europa issued a modified ASI glass >> with revised colour bandings that we used during the spinning trial >> for G-CBHI, but I have not had it confirmed these are the final >> approved figures. I may know a bit more when the LAA return to work >> next week as I am trying to get an agreed Flight Test schedule issued. >> >> Best Regards >> >> Ian Cook >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> djaflyact >> Sent: 29 December 2013 00:38 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Mod 7 flight ready >> >> >> Again, I'm not sure how many are interested in this, but here is >> another >> update: >> >> The last issue I had with the prep for flight was the pip pin >> engaging with the bellville washer. I installed the pin and it seemed >> to be barely engaging the washer, if at all. I could not pull it >> back. I planned to drill an inspection hole in the wing root faring >> to put the video snake in to see if the pin head is coming through >> the fatter spar. I worked on it today and discovered that I can look >> through the inspection hole to the port fuel tank outlet and see the >> end of the pip pin. It was fully engaged. I was able to work it back >> and determine the shim washers to account for the play. Two thick >> washers did > the trick. >> >> The airplane is now ready for flight. If the weather cooperates, >> tomorrow will be first flight. I will post the results of that flight. >> >> The gut check is that the wing root fairings are mating with the >> fuselage as they were before - within reasonable limits. It does feel >> good to have the stronger structure now. >> >> Does anyone know what the speed are supposed to be on the modified > airplane? >> I have 127 knots for Vne from the past, but the website shows 165 >> knots on the specs - the same as the short wing airplane. I also >> have 97 knots for maneuvering speed and the top of the green arc. >> With that speed, normal cruise will be well into the yellow arc. I >> see around 110 knots IAS in normal cruise. That is at about 28 >> inches. Rotax > 914. >> >> Dave >> A227 >> Mini U2 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416297#416297 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuselage dolly From: alan.twigg775@gmail.com Yes, this is more of a build frame, Paul and I discussed this, it is as far a s I know still available. I have acquired a 'mono dolly' from a mono being converted to Tri. Any more o f you Mono folks going Tri, some of us can re use your dollys. Regards Alan Twigg Motorglider kit 463 Still persevering Sent from my iPhone > On 4 Jan 2014, at 08:47, Ian Cook wrote: > > Alan, > Did you follow this up, I also need a frame to put my new fuselage o n. Now you are putting your wings on hopefully you will be flying soon? > > Regards > > Ian > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alan.twigg775@gmail.com > Sent: 29 December 2013 18:29 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuselage dolly > > I am most interested as my Motorglider mono nears completion. > Alan Twigg > 07554444077 will call tommorrow. > Best regards > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 29 Dec 2013, at 17:59, "Paul & Vanessa Munford" wrote: > > My Europa is now standing on its own three wheels so I have no further use for the support frame. It is a large long triangular construction with brak ed castoring wheels on each corner. Suitable for mono or tri gear & availabl e for a contribution to 'Help fo Heroes' charity only. Obviously for collect ion but does fit on a roof rack. I live in north Essex near Saffron Walden. P aul Munford kit 625. Please telephone 07816 463106. Seasons greetings to eve ryone & all the best for the new year > > > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > www.mypilotstore.com > www.mrrace.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:54 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: New cockpit panel From: "Roland" ....... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416552#416552 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/8tdcledb_210.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/qd8sk6i4_170.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:11 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: XS Tri-Gear Speed Kit Parts. From: "Richard Wheelwright" UK List, I'm thinking of now fitting the Europa Speed Kit to G-PW and just wanted to see if anyone in the UK had any of the parts available, and wanting to to sell them? even if it is just one Item will help. Thank you in advance Contact email rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk -------- Richard Wheelwright G-IRPW First Flight 24th July 2013 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416553#416553 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:03 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: XS Tri-Gear Speed Kit Parts. From: "jonathanmilbank" Now that I've removed the monowheel and fitted "trainer wheels" dangling in the breeze, there's no doubt that I've lost about 8 knots in the cruise, not to mention the loss of about 45 lbs load capacity. However the peace of mind in runway crosswind situations more than compensates. The speed kit in its entirety doesn't appeal, because I don't fancy having to clean grass and mud repeatedly from inside the spats, nor struggling to check brake pads and inflate tyres. But I see that some folk fit "pants" on the legs and fairings over the hinges. My question is "What are the different figures between the two arrangements, with or without wheel spats, in terms of weight and speed gain?" It seems to me that the speed kit without wheel spats would offer relatively little speed gain and therefore is of questionable value. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416565#416565 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:12 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Airmaster propeller modification From: "jonathanmilbank" After happily and successfully fitting a tri-gear undercarriage (thanks to the excellence of Neville Eyre) to my Classic, it quickly became obvious that I would need more horsepower to operate off grass and soft runways. So I've acquired and fitted a 100hp 912S, which necessitated modifying my Airmaster AP308 propeller and fitting wider blades. I can't praise Airmaster NZ highly enough for supplying the wider blades with ferrules fitted and for modifying the hub mechanism to allow the blades to operate in a coarser pitch range. I also had to remove the old AC100 controller and fit the AC200. I really appreciate their high quality of workmanship and service. Now to find a good home for the trusty 80hp engine and tapered blades with Airmaster ferrules. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416568#416568 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:49 PM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: XS Tri-Gear Speed Kit Parts. Hi! The next time I clean out spats will be the first .....other than doing tyre changes. The only problem I have is that without spats the underside of the wings are always covered in shit. With regards to weight factors I can't give you factors but I've never failed to lift off ! Happy New Year. Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jonathanmilbank Sent: 04 January 2014 21:43 Subject: Europa-List: Re: XS Tri-Gear Speed Kit Parts. --> Now that I've removed the monowheel and fitted "trainer wheels" dangling in the breeze, there's no doubt that I've lost about 8 knots in the cruise, not to mention the loss of about 45 lbs load capacity. However the peace of mind in runway crosswind situations more than compensates. The speed kit in its entirety doesn't appeal, because I don't fancy having to clean grass and mud repeatedly from inside the spats, nor struggling to check brake pads and inflate tyres. But I see that some folk fit "pants" on the legs and fairings over the hinges. My question is "What are the different figures between the two arrangements, with or without wheel spats, in terms of weight and speed gain?" It seems to me that the speed kit without wheel spats would offer relatively little speed gain and therefore is of questionable value. 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