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     1. 12:55 AM - Splash Moulding for lower cowl (Martin Olliver)
     2. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: One wing Low (Bud Yerly)
     3. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: One wing Low (Peter Zutrauen)
     4. 01:11 PM - Re: Re: One wing Low (craig)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:55:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Splash Moulding for lower cowl
    From: "Martin Olliver" <martflynut@aol.com>
    Can anyone please help. I am looking for a Splash Moulding for the lower cowl. This is the moulding supplied in the later Europa kits to fabricate an extra air intake for the 912 ULS engine. If you have one that you have no further use for that I could buy or one I could borrow. Please message me on Matronics. UK member. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416632#416632


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    Time: 08:23:50 AM PST US
    From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: One wing Low
    Photo E-mail View slideshow | Download images About easy trims. If it can go wrong, it will, and the more complex and wonderful, the more chance for extensive troubleshooting problems. I prefer a built in aileron tab into the aileron with the servo attached and aileron balanced. Looks and operates well. a 10x1.5 inch tab will trim off any load and only deflect a very small amount keeping drag to a minimum. However in an aircraft with completed and painted surfaces I have used a spring system. I usually try to find easy ways to make dumb simple, bullet proof control systems that can't be goofed up. Here is an item I designed, built and installed on a customers aircraft. It uses a simple spring set on either side of the stick with a mac servo to pull left and right on one side and the other side has a simple bolt up system. The servo can be replaced by a screw or lever system with a locking ratcheted lever. The bracket on the stick is .060 minimum 6061 T 6 bent on the grain. I normally install autopilots in our aircraft and the roll servo goes under the seat or in the tunnel and attaches to the bracket also. The trick is getting the spring and servo arm both attached. Break out the OR spacers on hand and nuts, bolts, washers and patience. The spring rate is the tough part. Don't get it too tight or it stiffens the stick too much. At the base of the stick cradle, you only need about 1 pound per inch max to trim a well rigged aircraft. I prefer springs that are 3 inches long. Use any length you want but make sure the extensions and hardware combination you use to attach to the servo or lever cannot bind. Without a trim servo motor or autopilot servo it is very simple to do. Autopilot servos have no trouble with the system. The next item that this requires is a simple fiberglass box cover so you can't step on it... 3 layers of bid with a Reduxed angle on the floor and seat front keeps the cover set in place, but I glass or bolt in the attachment brackets to assure that if stepped on it doesn't move. Obviously the cover has to have a U in the center to clear the stick. I don't have photo's as they are the property of my customers, but it is pretty simple. I prefer not to have an autopilot so that simplifies the trim. Works too. Regards, Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell<mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:21 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: One wing Low I would be cautious about any radio controlled =EDtem.as I recall they they work on common frequencies. When you are flying a radio controlled aircraft you have to ensure that all flyers are on different frequencies and everyone has a little banner to indicate what frequency they are using. Will From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europa-list-server@ma tronics.com> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 13:13 To: Europa Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: One wing Low Hi Alan You could probably go blue tooth for control, just use your smart phone. I installed a Ray Allen servo in my aileron with the top being flush with the top and the control horn exits the bottom. I have it controlling a piece of hinge on the trail edge of the aileron. Not a great shot, left aileron, view in 600 you can see the bottom of aileron: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=27605&g2_imageViewsIndex =1<http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=27605&g2_imageViews Index=1> Don't forget you need to balance the aileron after you fool with it. I don't know how keen I would be to use a Lithium Polymer battery. For capacity, cheap, readily available and a very low self discharge, I would go with a quality alkaline. keeping them it as far forward as you can. Tungsten is heavier than lead, so you could try and find foam plugs in your balancing arms, or just drill and insert rods of tungsten (unless you can locate some depleted uranium rods surrounded with stainless steel). Put a switch that is easily accessible to turn it off and some sort of battery indication you can check on your pre-flight. I know Steve D. was fooling with altitude hold: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=24893<http://www.europao wners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=24893> Wonder if they make wing leveling too? Hmm, if you made a minimalist wing leveling tab, you could just leave it on wing level all the time when flying, it would always try to keep wings level, then when you want to bank, you could easily over ride it! Ron Parigoris www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comwww.mypilot store.comwww.mrrace.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.com<http://www.aeroelectric.com/> www.buildersbooks.com<http://www.buildersbooks.com/> www.homebuilthelp.com<http://www.homebuilthelp.com/> www.mypilotstore.com<http://www.mypilotstore.com/> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Europa-List> These photos will be available on SkyDrive for 30 days. To learn more about SkyDrive, click here. To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN Photo E-mail, join MSN.


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    Time: 08:59:31 AM PST US
    From: Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Subject: Re: One wing Low
    I elected to go with a homemade single composite horseshoe spring on the end of a mac servo (jack-screw model) - very easy to adjust the spring rate to one's liking..... just add/remove plies accordingly, and less chance of breakage fowling the controls imho :-) ..... & nope not on my Europa :-( [image: image.jpeg] On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: > Photo E-mail View slideshow | Download images > About easy trims. > If it can go wrong, it will, and the more complex and wonderful, the more > chance for extensive troubleshooting problems. > > I prefer a built in aileron tab into the aileron with the servo attached > and aileron balanced. Looks and operates well. a 10x1.5 inch tab will > trim off any load and only deflect a very small amount keeping drag to a > minimum. However in an aircraft with completed and painted surfaces I ha ve > used a spring system. > > I usually try to find easy ways to make dumb simple, bullet proof control > systems that can't be goofed up. > > Here is an item I designed, built and installed on a customers aircraft. > It uses a simple spring set on either side of the stick with a mac servo to > pull left and right on one side and the other side has a simple bolt up > system. The servo can be replaced by a screw or lever system with a > locking ratcheted lever. The bracket on the stick is .060 minimum 6061 T 6 > bent on the grain. I normally install autopilots in our aircraft and the > roll servo goes under the seat or in the tunnel and attaches to the brack et > also. The trick is getting the spring and servo arm both attached. Brea k > out the OR spacers on hand and nuts, bolts, washers and patience. > > The spring rate is the tough part. Don't get it too tight or it stiffen s > the stick too much. At the base of the stick cradle, you only need about 1 > pound per inch max to trim a well rigged aircraft. I prefer springs that > are 3 inches long. Use any length you want but make sure the extensions > and hardware combination you use to attach to the servo or lever cannot > bind. Without a trim servo motor or autopilot servo it is very simple to > do. Autopilot servos have no trouble with the system. > > The next item that this requires is a simple fiberglass box cover so you > can't step on it... 3 layers of bid with a Reduxed angle on the floor an d > seat front keeps the cover set in place, but I glass or bolt in the > attachment brackets to assure that if stepped on it doesn't move. > Obviously the cover has to have a U in the center to clear the stick. > > I don't have photo's as they are the property of my customers, but it is > pretty simple. I prefer not to have an autopilot so that simplifies the > trim. Works too. > > Regards, > Bud Yerly > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:21 PM > *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: Re: One wing Low > > I would be cautious about any radio controlled =EDtem.as<http://xn--tem- qma.as>I recall they they work on common frequencies. When you are flying a radio > controlled aircraft you have to ensure that all flyers are on different > frequencies and everyone has a little banner to indicate what frequency > they are using. > > Will > > > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2013 13:13 > *To:* Europa > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Re: One wing Low > > > Hi Alan > > You could probably go blue tooth for control, just use your smart phone. I > installed a Ray Allen servo in my aileron with the top being flush with t he > top and the control horn exits the bottom. I have it controlling a piece of > hinge on the trail edge of the aileron. Not a great shot, left aileron, > view in 600 you can see the bottom of aileron: > > http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=27605&g2_imageViewsIndex =1 > > Don't forget you need to balance the aileron after you fool with it. I > don't know how keen I would be to use a Lithium Polymer battery. For > capacity, cheap, readily available and a very low self discharge, I would > go with a quality alkaline. keeping them it as far forward as you can. > Tungsten is heavier than lead, so you could try and find foam plugs in yo ur > balancing arms, or just drill and insert rods of tungsten (unless you can > locate some depleted uranium rods surrounded with stainless steel). Put a > switch that is easily accessible to turn it off and some sort of battery > indication you can check on your pre-flight. > > I know Steve D. was fooling with altitude hold: > > http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=24893 > > Wonder if they make wing leveling too? Hmm, if you made a minimalist wing > leveling tab, you could just leave it on wing level all the time when > flying, it would always try to keep wings level, then when you want to > bank, you could easily over ride it! > > > Ron Parigoris > > > *www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com>www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilth elp.com>www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>www.mrrace.com <h ttp://www.mrrace.com>* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion>* > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List <http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Europa-List>* > > *http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>">www.ae roelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> > title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ <http://www.buildersbooks.com/> hre f="http://www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com>">www.build ersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>">www. homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> > href="http://www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>">www.my pilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> > href="http://www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>">www.mrrace.com <ht tp://www.mrrace.com> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution>">http://www.matronics.com/chref= <http://www.matronics.com/c href=>"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List <http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Europa-List>">http://www.matronhref <http://www.matronhref >="http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>">http://foru ms.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> > * > > These photos will be available on SkyDrive for 30 days. 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    Time: 01:11:56 PM PST US
    From: "craig" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Re: One wing Low
    I did similar to this, servo in the spar tunnel horse shoe spring hooks up to the control arm next to the aileron link rods From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: One wing Low I elected to go with a homemade single composite horseshoe spring on the end of a mac servo (jack-screw model) - very easy to adjust the spring rate to one's liking..... just add/remove plies accordingly, and less chance of breakage fowling the controls imho :-) ..... & nope not on my Europa :-( image.jpeg On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: Photo E-mail View slideshow | Download images About easy trims. If it can go wrong, it will, and the more complex and wonderful, the more chance for extensive troubleshooting problems. I prefer a built in aileron tab into the aileron with the servo attached and aileron balanced. Looks and operates well. a 10x1.5 inch tab will trim off any load and only deflect a very small amount keeping drag to a minimum. However in an aircraft with completed and painted surfaces I have used a spring system. I usually try to find easy ways to make dumb simple, bullet proof control systems that can't be goofed up. Here is an item I designed, built and installed on a customers aircraft. It uses a simple spring set on either side of the stick with a mac servo to pull left and right on one side and the other side has a simple bolt up system. The servo can be replaced by a screw or lever system with a locking ratcheted lever. The bracket on the stick is .060 minimum 6061 T 6 bent on the grain. I normally install autopilots in our aircraft and the roll servo goes under the seat or in the tunnel and attaches to the bracket also. The trick is getting the spring and servo arm both attached. Break out the OR spacers on hand and nuts, bolts, washers and patience. The spring rate is the tough part. Don't get it too tight or it stiffens the stick too much. At the base of the stick cradle, you only need about 1 pound per inch max to trim a well rigged aircraft. I prefer springs that are 3 inches long. Use any length you want but make sure the extensions and hardware combination you use to attach to the servo or lever cannot bind. Without a trim servo motor or autopilot servo it is very simple to do. Autopilot servos have no trouble with the system. The next item that this requires is a simple fiberglass box cover so you can't step on it... 3 layers of bid with a Reduxed angle on the floor and seat front keeps the cover set in place, but I glass or bolt in the attachment brackets to assure that if stepped on it doesn't move. Obviously the cover has to have a U in the center to clear the stick. I don't have photo's as they are the property of my customers, but it is pretty simple. I prefer not to have an autopilot so that simplifies the trim. Works too. Regards, Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell <mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:21 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: One wing Low I would be cautious about any radio controlled =EDtem.as <http://xn--tem-qma.as> I recall they they work on common frequencies. When you are flying a radio controlled aircraft you have to ensure that all flyers are on different frequencies and everyone has a little banner to indicate what frequency they are using. Will From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 13:13 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: One wing Low Hi Alan You could probably go blue tooth for control, just use your smart phone. I installed a Ray Allen servo in my aileron with the top being flush with the top and the control horn exits the bottom. I have it controlling a piece of hinge on the trail edge of the aileron. Not a great shot, left aileron, view in 600 you can see the bottom of aileron: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=27605 <http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=27605&g2_imageViewsInde x=1> &g2_imageViewsIndex=1 Don't forget you need to balance the aileron after you fool with it. I don't know how keen I would be to use a Lithium Polymer battery. For capacity, cheap, readily available and a very low self discharge, I would go with a quality alkaline. keeping them it as far forward as you can. Tungsten is heavier than lead, so you could try and find foam plugs in your balancing arms, or just drill and insert rods of tungsten (unless you can locate some depleted uranium rods surrounded with stainless steel). Put a switch that is easily accessible to turn it off and some sort of battery indication you can check on your pre-flight. I know Steve D. was fooling with altitude hold: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=24893 Wonder if they make wing leveling too? Hmm, if you made a minimalist wing leveling tab, you could just leave it on wing level all the time when flying, it would always try to keep wings level, then when you want to bank, you could easily over ride it! Ron Parigoris www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comwww.mypilot sto re.comwww.mrrace.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.mypilotstore.com">www.mypilotstore.com href="http://www.mrrace.com">www.mrrace.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref= "http ://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com These photos will be available on SkyDrive for 30 days. To learn more about SkyDrive, click here. To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN Photo E-mail, join MSN. No virus found in this message. 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