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1. 01:27 AM - Re: painting instrument module query (jglazener)
2. 01:48 AM - Europa Panel painting ....... (Bob Harrison)
3. 02:42 AM - Re: Electric Flaps base attachment moves up and down under load (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
4. 03:03 AM - Europa Club Trips 2014 (David Joyce)
5. 03:42 AM - Re: Europa Club Trips 2014 (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
6. 05:12 AM - Re: Electric Flaps base attachment moves up and down under load (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
7. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Ducati rectifier/regulators (Steven Pitt)
8. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Ducati rectifier/regulators (houlihan)
9. 10:41 AM - Re: Europa Club Trips 2014 (alan.twigg775@gmail.com)
10. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Ducati rectifier/regulators (Trevpond@aol.com)
11. 02:31 PM - Other items on the Silent-hektik web site (houlihan)
12. 03:12 PM - Re: Other items on the Silent-hektik web site (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
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| Subject: | Re: painting instrument module query |
Rowland, this is the business end of the plane and you and your passengers will
be looking at it for the rest of your flying career. I have seen too many panels
which grate on the sensibilities and decided to take the cop out route and
have it done by a professional car body painter. I know, on this forum we all
love showing off what we can do ourselves but in this case the result was so
good I can live with the shame and even highly recommend it.
My panel was "splatter" painted which gives a really professional look and is very
hard wearing. It is also used to recondition side panels on commercial aircraft
so that says something. These guys also know perfectly how to best prepare
and prime the panel so there is very little chance of chipping and damage later.
I paid EUR 350 all-in which to me is worth every cent given the result.
http://europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=290356
As far as the colour is concerned I steered away from black, opting for a dark
grey mostly because it looks better, but also would be slightly less likely to
overheat. Anything lighter and you would start getting problems with glare in
the windshield.
Regards, Jeroen
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Jeroen
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165
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| Subject: | Europa Panel painting ....... |
Hi! For the attention of Rowland....
I have been away so couldn't answer your request earlier.
I used Nextel Cobalt Blue which is very serviceable in that general finger
grime does not show up either also it can be satisfactorily brush touched up
with later panel changes, does not give reflections in the screen (most
important so your Mat black plan may work for the same reasons)
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flaps base attachment moves up and down under |
load
Tony=0Athere is very little load on the flap operating mechanism because th
e flaps are pivoted =0Avery close to the aerodynamic centre. (of the flap)
=C2- With a correctly adjusted manual system=C2- =0Athe flap can be pla
ced anywhere within it's range and won't move unless pushed. Any bending wi
ll be caused by=0Athe flap motor pushing on a stop somewhere.=0AMake sure t
he flaps retract fully, you want a very slight reflex of the trailing edge,
=0Aflat on the top of the wing, not the bottom=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
___________________________=0A From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com
>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 17 January 2014, 6:32=0A
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flaps base attachment moves up and down unde
w268@gmail.com>=0A=0AHi,=0AI=99ve noticed my ply insert for my electr
ic flaps moves up and down. I want the flaps to be obviously rigidly held u
p, against the mechanical stop in the electric motor, but also for them to
be not vibrating too much when fully extended. The floor is pulled up by th
e actuator being fully retracted, when the flaps are extended, so an aerody
namic load through the flaps will harmonic vibrate the skin basically upwar
d. I=99m wondering if there would be any benefit in making the floor
rigid in this spot, by creating a reinforcement sandwich strap. =0AIdeas ki
ndly accepted. I=99d much prefer to do it now as I can actually do it
with the top off in my good jig (yes, ex you Kingsley). I=99m even t
empted to put in the main gear legs for the tri, because I have such good a
ccess at the moment, but I=99m going taildragger already. The mod I a
m using was offered up years ago by Bob Berube, of Florida, and it looks li
ke it should go really well, with similar geometry to the original mono whe
el. Some have said it might suit a different main gear position, and it doe
s make me wonder if I should set up the ply inserts in the back seat footwe
lls, as I call them. Anyone got an estimate of how long it would take to pu
t in the inserts and what they=99d weigh to carry round? =0ALastly, i
s there a 3D laser styled device you can wander around the inside of the fo
otwells that will create a 3 D image of them, in relation to each other, su
ch that you could then create a very tight ply insert if you could mill it
out with something. It just frustrates me the number of times I=99d l
ike some sort of 3D pattern maker. If something like this exists, what are
they called and does anyone know whether you could do such a thing? I know
its probably bigger than Ben-Hur but one day it won=99t be. =0ARegard
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -
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| Subject: | Europa Club Trips 2014 |
I am doing my best to sort out a program for 2014 and
would welcome hearing from anyone with
ideas/requests/offers to lead. More specifically I would
welcome the following:
1) Camping enthusiasts. If anyone is interested in a
flying and camping tour please get in touch. This could
offer a dramatically cheaper form of holiday than our
usual hotel based trips.
2) Locally guided tours. I would love to hear from
any of our European friends who might be prepared to act
as local guides to show off the best of their
country/region to a group of Europas. I can imagine
excellent trips based on themes like The Alps; The Baltic,
The Danube; Mosel; The Austro Hungarian capitals, etc.
These would of course be so much more enjoyable if they
were guided by someone who knows the area well.
3) More suggestions for fly-ins like the Aero Expo fly
in.
It would be great if we managed to get more cross
border participation in our trips. Although the published
program is generally arranged round a UK start, there is
no reason at all for us not to have trips starting from
other areas and I certainly see it as a great feature for
non UK folk to join in on the UK start trips.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ, Europa Club Trips
organiser.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Club Trips 2014 |
David=0Ait would be good to get Klaus Dietrich (klaus.dietrich@me.com) invl
oved, he's based at Vorslau=0A20K south of Vienna=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
___________________________=0A From: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
>=0ATo: europa list <europa-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Friday, 17 Januar
y 2014, 11:01=0ASubject: Europa-List: Europa Club Trips 2014=0A =0A=0A--> E
uropa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0A
=0AI am doing my best to sort out a program for 2014 and would welcome hear
ing from anyone with ideas/requests/offers to lead. More specifically I wou
ld welcome the following:=0A- - 1) Camping enthusiasts. If anyone is i
nterested in a flying and camping tour please get in touch. This could offe
r a dramatically cheaper form of holiday than our usual hotel based trips.
=0A- - 2) Locally guided tours. I would love to hear from any of our E
uropean friends who might be prepared to act as local guides to show off th
e best of their country/region to a group of Europas. I can imagine excelle
nt trips based on themes like The Alps; The Baltic, The Danube; Mosel; The
Austro Hungarian capitals, etc. These would of course be so much more enjoy
able if they were guided by someone who knows the area well.=0A- 3) More
suggestions for fly-ins like the Aero Expo fly in.=0A- - It would be
great if we managed to get more cross border participation in our trips. Al
though the published program is generally arranged round a UK start, there
is no reason at all for us not to have trips starting from other areas and
I certainly see it as a great feature for non UK folk to join in on the UK
start trips.=0A- - Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ, Europa Club Trips org
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flaps base attachment moves up and down under |
load
Hi Tony,
With regards to building in the reinforcements to accept the tri-gear
legs, I am in a position to tell you exactly what the weight penalty
will be.
I am developing a conventional undercarriage conversion and it was
imperative to know what the competing landing gear components weighed.
With this in mind, I acquired the remains of a crashed europa and cut
out the cruciform tri-gear reinforcement and trimmed these to represent
exactly the added material before weighing them.
I can tell you that the total for both is a not inconsiderable 6.400 kg.
If any one thing slugs performance and impacts fuel efficiency, its
weight. I would think very carefully before embarking on your "ballast"
mod ;-)
Nigel
On 17/01/2014 06:32, Tony Renshaw wrote:
Snip .....
> Im even tempted to put in the main gear legs for the tri, because I have such
good access at the moment, but Im going taildragger already. The mod I am using
was offered up years ago by Bob Berube, of Florida, and it looks like it should
go really well, with similar geometry to the original mono wheel. Some have
said it might suit a different main gear position, and it does make me wonder
if I should set up the ply inserts in the back seat footwells, as I call them.
Anyone got an estimate of how long it would take to put in the inserts and
what theyd weigh to carry round?
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ducati rectifier/regulators |
Trevor,
The Schicke is a Club mod which you can find on the Club website under
LAA Standard mods.
Nigel Graham is looking after mods whilst Ian is recovering and if
Roland has had good experience with the SH it might be a candidate for a
Mod. However, I know that Tim Houlihan has recently fitted the Schicke
and it was quite a lot cheaper than the SH. I also have the Schicke and
can support its fitting as against the Ducati.
Steve Pitt
Chairman, Europa Club
----- Original Message -----
From: Trevpond@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Ducati rectifier/regulators
Thanks Roland.
In a message dated 16/01/2014 15:30:31 GMT Standard Time,
schmidtroland@web.de writes:
Hi Trev,
I bought it direct from Silent Hektik by order form (costs 197 EUR).
No MOD number I'm afraid, although all SH-Products are of top quality.
My aircraft is dutch registered.
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS Trigear 914
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417010#417010
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| Subject: | Re: Ducati rectifier/regulators |
I can confirm what Steve has said about the Schicke regulator. I purchased
one last October directly from the manufacturer. I include a quote from an
email from Schicke. my only comment would be that paying for it can be an
issue as he does not accept payment by card or PayPal
He said "you can buy the GR6 directly from us. It will cost 92,- eur +
transport to GB (18,-) + 19% VAT = 130,90
Delivery after payment.
Please send your address then we will send you a proforma invoice.
with best regards
U. Schicke"
I noted that the regulator I fitted has much larger and more effective
heatsink than the Ducatti and Mr Schicke advised me that the large
capacitor is no longer required.
I expect both alternative devices will have better reliability than the
original. The Silent hectic website is worth a study ! there are some
interesting items there.
Tim
On 17 January 2014 16:40, Steven Pitt <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Trevor,
> The Schicke is a Club mod which you can find on the Club website under LA
A
> Standard mods.
> Nigel Graham is looking after mods whilst Ian is recovering and if Roland
> has had good experience with the SH it might be a candidate for a Mod.
> However, I know that Tim Houlihan has recently fitted the Schicke and it
> was quite a lot cheaper than the SH. I also have the Schicke and can
> support its fitting as against the Ducati.
> Steve Pitt
> Chairman, Europa Club
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Trevpond@aol.com
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Re: Ducati rectifier/regulators
>
> Thanks Roland.
>
> In a message dated 16/01/2014 15:30:31 GMT Standard Time,
> schmidtroland@web.de writes:
>
>
> Hi Trev,
> I bought it direct from Silent Hektik by order form (costs 197 EUR). No
> MOD number I'm afraid, although all SH-Products are of top quality.
> My aircraft is dutch registered.
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS Trigear 914
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417010#417010
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Club Trips 2014 |
Cannot wait to get my tub airborne to join you.
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
> On 17 Jan 2014, at 11:01, "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
> I am doing my best to sort out a program for 2014 and would welcome hearing from
anyone with ideas/requests/offers to lead. More specifically I would welcome
the following:
> 1) Camping enthusiasts. If anyone is interested in a flying and camping tour
please get in touch. This could offer a dramatically cheaper form of holiday
than our usual hotel based trips.
> 2) Locally guided tours. I would love to hear from any of our European friends
who might be prepared to act as local guides to show off the best of their
country/region to a group of Europas. I can imagine excellent trips based on
themes like The Alps; The Baltic, The Danube; Mosel; The Austro Hungarian capitals,
etc. These would of course be so much more enjoyable if they were guided
by someone who knows the area well.
> 3) More suggestions for fly-ins like the Aero Expo fly in.
> It would be great if we managed to get more cross border participation in
our trips. Although the published program is generally arranged round a UK start,
there is no reason at all for us not to have trips starting from other areas
and I certainly see it as a great feature for non UK folk to join in on the
UK start trips.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ, Europa Club Trips organiser.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ducati rectifier/regulators |
Thanks Steve
In a message dated 17/01/2014 16:42:20 GMT Standard Time,
steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com writes:
Trevor,
The Schicke is a Club mod which you can find on the Club website under LAA
Standard mods.
Nigel Graham is looking after mods whilst Ian is recovering and if Roland
has had good experience with the SH it might be a candidate for a Mod.
However, I know that Tim Houlihan has recently fitted the Schicke and it was
quite a lot cheaper than the SH. I also have the Schicke and can support its
fitting as against the Ducati.
Steve Pitt
Chairman, Europa Club
----- Original Message -----
From: _Trevpond@aol.com_ (mailto:Trevpond@aol.com)
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Ducati rectifier/regulators
Thanks Roland.
In a message dated 16/01/2014 15:30:31 GMT Standard Time,
_schmidtroland@web.de_ (mailto:schmidtroland@web.de) writes:
(mailto:schmidtroland@web.de) >
Hi Trev,
I bought it direct from Silent Hektik by order form (costs 197 EUR). No
MOD number I'm afraid, although all SH-Products are of top quality.
My aircraft is dutch registered.
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS Trigear 914
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417010#417010
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| Subject: | Other items on the Silent-hektik web site |
Following on from the regulator item have a look at this on their web site
http://www.silent-hektik.com/UL_912_1.htm
My German is non existent so I may have got this all wrong.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Other items on the Silent-hektik web site |
That looks very nice! Bout time too!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0A From: houlihan <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-l
ist@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 17 January 2014, 22:30=0ASubject: Europa
-List: Other items on the Silent-hektik web site=0A =0A=0A=0AFollowing on f
rom the regulator item have a look at this on their web site=0Ahttp://www.s
ilent-hektik.com/UL_912_1.htm=0A=0A=0AMy German is non existent so I may ha
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