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1. 12:13 AM - Re: New Europa Builder (tennant)
2. 01:07 AM - Re: New Europa Builder (Donald Cameron)
3. 05:52 AM - Re: getting high (Roland)
4. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: getting high (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
5. 10:03 AM - Motorglider wings (Alan Twigg)
6. 02:00 PM - Re: Motorglider wings (Ian Cook)
7. 02:17 PM - Re: getting high (Roland)
8. 02:23 PM - Re: Motorglider wings (David Joyce)
9. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: getting high (Tony Renshaw)
10. 02:29 PM - Re: Motorglider wings (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
11. 02:38 PM - Re: Motorglider wings (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
12. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: getting high (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
13. 03:12 PM - getting even higher (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
14. 03:19 PM - Re: Motorglider wings (David Joyce)
15. 04:44 PM - Re: Motorglider wings (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
16. 08:58 PM - Re: European Travel Insurance (Griswald3)
17. 11:04 PM - Re: getting high (Roland)
18. 11:40 PM - Re: Motorglider wings (Sky Mail)
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| Subject: | Re: New Europa Builder |
Alan,
Your comments took me back 19 years, when I received my big box in Germany,
It took only 2 1/2 years to build, but you must do as Bob said and do something
every day. Every hour you spend in the workshop is an hour earlier to fly.
There will be frustrations, but just go on to something else and come back to the
problem later.
Some days I still get out of the plane and give the cowling a big kiss!!
--------
Barry Tennant
D-EHBT
At EDLM - Germany
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| Subject: | Re: New Europa Builder |
Hi Alan
Welcome to the Europa community, I had exactly the same feeling when I picked up
my part built kit. (Wings were completed but not closed over)
1&1/2 years later and I'm now at the stage where the fuselage is going to be painted
in the next couple of weeks and hopefully be ready for test flying end of
March beginning of April.
There is lots of valuable information, help and resources on this forum and the
europa club, europa owners websites to help and assist you when building.
I am located on west coast of scotland (Oban) where are you located?
Kind regards
Donald
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Feb 2014, at 18:33, "alan_hunter1664" <alan_hunter1664@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> I took ownership of Europa Tri-Gear Kit 630 from Steve Vestuti this Saturday
and transported it from South Wales to the North West without mishap! (Longest
7 hours of my life). Does everyone get that holy sh** moment when they realise
what they have done or is it just me!
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| Subject: | Re: getting high |
Because it matches the topic.... :-)
http://dlr.de/dlr/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-10204/296_read-9415/year-all/#gallery/13541
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| Subject: | Re: getting high |
Nice find Roland, that's a 914 on the front of the SB10. nice bit of video
in wave over Everest.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________
__=0A From: Roland <schmidtroland@web.de>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Thursday, 6 February 2014, 13:51=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: getti
@web.de>=0A=0ABecause it matches the topic.... :-)=0A=0Ahttp://dlr.de/dlr/e
n/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-10204/296_read-9415/year-all/#gallery/13541=0A
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| Subject: | Motorglider wings |
Making great progress after a delay over Christmas. Drag pin spacers fitted
and glassed; Lift and Drag fittings going on in next two days then off to
the paintshop.
Having a gliding instructor job, I have so much spare time with all this
wind and rain in the UK, I must be one of the few with anything positive to
come out of it.
The poor souls in Somerset are flooded out, the South Coast rail line to
Cornwall is washed away and still it comes. No sign of help from the
military.
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| Subject: | Motorglider wings |
Alan,
For Info
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Twigg
Sent: 06 February 2014 18:03
Subject: Europa-List: Motorglider wings
Making great progress after a delay over Christmas. Drag pin spacers fitted
and glassed; Lift and Drag fittings going on in next two days then off to
the paintshop.
Having a gliding instructor job, I have so much spare time with all this
wind and rain in the UK, I must be one of the few with anything positive to
come out of it.
The poor souls in Somerset are flooded out, the South Coast rail line to
Cornwall is washed away and still it comes. No sign of help from the
military.
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| Subject: | Re: getting high |
In fact the 914 works in the fuselage behind the cabin. The propeller is foldable
and driven by a power train in the middle tunnel. In sail mode it's completely
covered by the nose, best glide angle is 1:50. The Stemme S 10 is really the
best fusion of both worlds but it comes also at a price of about three well
equipped Europas.
BTW: Service ceiling is 30.000 ft - above the Everest summit.
http://www.stemme.info/
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
Ian, I wonder whether a SmartASS would possibly be
considered as an acceptable stall warner. It is in my
experience a considerably more effective tool than the
Europa stall warner, (having flown with both now for a
couple of years), and much easier to fit. It has in
addition a wheels up warning which sounds if you slow to
approach speed without putting gear down. It is currently
out of production (at Smart Avionics) but Mark Burton is
hoping to launch a new improved version in the next few
months.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:59:02 +0000
Ian Cook <iancook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Alan,
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> For Info
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>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
>Behalf Of Alan Twigg
> Sent: 06 February 2014 18:03
> To: Europa list
> Subject: Europa-List: Motorglider wings
>
>
>
> Making great progress after a delay over Christmas. Drag
>pin spacers fitted
> and glassed; Lift and Drag fittings going on in next two
>days then off to
> the paintshop.
>
> Having a gliding instructor job, I have so much spare
>time with all this
> wind and rain in the UK, I must be one of the few with
>anything positive to
> come out of it.
>
> The poor souls in Somerset are flooded out, the South
>Coast rail line to
> Cornwall is washed away and still it comes. No sign of
>help from the
> military.
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: getting high |
The waviness in the footage when they were orbiting Everest made me airsick, sitting
in my study. Look at the paint job of that a/c.
Not bad doing a 30 degree bank turn at FL300.
On 7 Feb 2014, at 12:51 am, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
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| Subject: | Motorglider wings |
Hi Ian
Curiosity question, in the PDF you sent it mentions undercarriage bungee
tension. If this refers to a Mono bungee tension, why exactly would there
be a different need between long and short wings?
Thx. Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
David,=0ANot sure how SmartASS is installed, is it tee'd into the ASI?=0ATr
ouble with the ASI is it tells you what has happened anything up to 20 seco
nds after=0Athe cause of the event (loss of speed) occured.=0AThe stall war
ner gives you an instant warning of change of AoA, and that's what matters.
=0ABy the time the ASI has told you you're stalling, you already have. =0AA
oA tells you it's going to happen if you don't do something quickly, (get t
he nose down).=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A F
rom: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.co
m =0ASent: Thursday, 6 February 2014, 22:22=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Mot
avidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0A=0AIan, I wonder whether a SmartASS would possi
bly be considered as an acceptable stall warner. It is in my experience a c
onsiderably more effective tool than the Europa stall warner, (having flown
with both now for a couple of years), and much easier to fit. It has in ad
dition a wheels up warning which sounds if you slow to approach speed witho
ut putting gear down. It is currently out of production (at Smart Avionics)
but Mark Burton is hoping to launch a new improved version in the next few
months.=0ARegards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:59:02
For- Info=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.co
m=0A> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Twi
gg=0A> Sent: 06 February 2014 18:03=0A> To: Europa list=0A> Subject: Europa
-List: Motorglider wings=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Making great progress after a d
elay over Christmas. Drag pin spacers fitted=0A> and glassed; Lift and Drag
fittings going on in next two days then off to=0A> the paintshop.=0A> =0A>
Having a gliding instructor job, I have so much spare time with all this
=0A> wind and rain in the UK, I must be one of the few with anything positi
ve to=0A> come out of it.=0A> =0A> The poor souls in Somerset are flooded o
ut, the South Coast rail line to=0A> Cornwall is washed away and still it c
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| Subject: | Re: getting high |
It's also still a taildragger and prone to ground loops! I'd still love to
have a seat in one!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0A From: Roland <schmidtroland@web.de>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0A
Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2014, 22:16=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: getting
b.de>=0A=0AIn fact the 914 works in the fuselage behind the cabin. The prop
eller is foldable and driven by a power train in the middle tunnel. In sail
mode it's completely covered by the nose, best glide angle is 1:50. The St
emme S 10 is really the best fusion of both worlds but it comes also at a p
rice of about three well equipped Europas. =0A=0ABTW: Service ceiling is 30
.000 ft - above the Everest summit. =0A=0Ahttp://www.stemme.info/
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| Subject: | getting even higher |
Well if that doesn't slake your thirst for thrills, take a look at these
fantastic images of a really brave guy. Makes flying aeroplanes seem
somehow dull ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYw4meRWGd4
Nigel
On 06/02/2014 13:51, Roland wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
Graham, It is teed into the pitot and static airlines but
calculates speed electronically and has built in
accelerometers so that it compensates for g and
effectively gives Angle of Attack related warnings. It has
two modes with a female voice through your headset:
firstly it/she will just tell you your airspeed at
intervals (I rarely use that mode) but more importantly it
acts as a speed director in approach or take off mode.
Once settled on your approach you press a button for a
couple of seconds and she says Chosen speed is 60kts (or
whatever). Then if you stay within a few percent of that
she says 'Speed good' in a calm voice at intervals. As you
slow down she has three messages in progressively less
calm voice: 'Speed slow', 'Speed very slow'; and Speed
very slow preceded by a loud gong. Quite impossible to
ignore. Speeding up going away from the circuit she goes
to sleep but wakes up automatically when you get within a
few percent of your previously chosen approach speed,
which remains set unless you change it. It is a brilliant
piece of kit, designed as a life saving tool for
emergencies like EFATOs when the most experienced pilots
will still sometimes find themselves ignoring speed
control and falling out of the sky. But quite
coincidentally it is very much more effective than any
stall warner I have flown with. My Europa one doesn't make
much noise - a problem for a deaf old fart with expensive
modern headset, and on top of that it sounds for an
appreciable part of take off and landing runs, so I am
'trained' to ignore it!
Regards, David
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 22:34:48 +0000 (GMT)
GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
> David,
> Not sure how SmartASS is installed, is it tee'd into the
>ASI?
> Trouble with the ASI is it tells you what has happened
>anything up to 20 seconds after
> the cause of the event (loss of speed) occured.
> The stall warner gives you an instant warning of change
>of AoA, and that's what matters.
> By the time the ASI has told you you're stalling, you
>already have.
> AoA tells you it's going to happen if you don't do
>something quickly, (get the nose down).
> Graham
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2014, 22:22
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Motorglider wings
>
>
><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Ian, I wonder whether a SmartASS would possibly be
>considered as an acceptable stall warner. It is in my
>experience a considerably more effective tool than the
>Europa stall warner, (having flown with both now for a
>couple of years), and much easier to fit. It has in
>addition a wheels up warning which sounds if you slow to
>approach speed without putting gear down. It is currently
>out of production (at Smart Avionics) but Mark Burton is
>hoping to launch a new improved version in the next few
>months.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:59:02 +0000
> Ian Cook <iancook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Alan,
>>
>> For Info
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
>>Behalf Of Alan Twigg
>> Sent: 06 February 2014 18:03
>> To: Europa list
>> Subject: Europa-List: Motorglider wings
>>
>>
>>
>> Making great progress after a delay over Christmas. Drag
>>pin spacers fitted
>> and glassed; Lift and Drag fittings going on in next two
>>days then off to
>> the paintshop.
>>
>> Having a gliding instructor job, I have so much spare
>>time with all this
>> wind and rain in the UK, I must be one of the few with
>>anything positive to
>> come out of it.
>>
>> The poor souls in Somerset are flooded out, the South
>>Coast rail line to
>> Cornwall is washed away and still it c=============
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
David=0Acertainly sounds very cleverly designed. I agree with your point ab
out stall warner being too =0Aready to cry wolf. My preference would be pro
per AoA display with voice warning. Then you have no time delay=0Abetween e
vent (AoA change) and warning.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0A From: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0ATo: europ
a-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, 6 February 2014, 23:19=0ASubject: R
e: Europa-List: Motorglider wings=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted b
y: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0A=0A=0A. But quite coincident
ally it is very much more effective than any stall warner I have flown with
. My Europa one doesn't make much noise - a problem for a deaf old fart wit
h expensive modern headset, and on top of that it sounds for an appreciable
part of take off and landing runs, so I am 'trained' to ignore it!=0ARegar
ds, David=0AOn Thu, 6 Feb 2014 22:34:48 +0000 (GMT)
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| Subject: | Re: European Travel Insurance |
I found plans offered by go insurance better than any other insurance plans. I took travellers insurance yearly policy and it cost me about $250 a year. Occasionally they offers special discount too. For more information you can visit their website from http://www.goinsurance.com.au/
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| Subject: | Re: getting high |
It also has a track width of only about 1,20 metres and a wing span of 23 meters
which won't contribute much to ground handling capabilities neither (probably
only slightly better than the U2). The S 10 is pure high tech for the ambitioned
glider pilot (I know of one which only has 20 % engine running time and one
which has sailed >2000 km in the Mountain waves of the Andes), e. g. the propeller
pitch is changed by applying heat to a bi-metal, the wings are foldable
for improving hangarage etc.
For an average pilot (and average airfield) the trigear S 6 which still has a glide
ratio of 36 as the retractable version with 18 m wingspan should be enough.
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
Ian
Thanks for sharing this update. Noting the shortfall on the minimum sink ra
te during Ivan Shaw's test flight - is CBHI fitted with a feathering prop an
d was that used for the flight test?
Rgds
Richard
Sent from my iPad
> On 6 Feb 2014, at 21:59, Ian Cook <iancook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Alan,
> For Info
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Twigg
> Sent: 06 February 2014 18:03
> To: Europa list
> Subject: Europa-List: Motorglider wings
>
> Making great progress after a delay over Christmas. Drag pin spacers fitte
d and glassed; Lift and Drag fittings going on in next two days then off to t
he paintshop.
> Having a gliding instructor job, I have so much spare time with all this w
ind and rain in the UK, I must be one of the few with anything positive to c
ome out of it.
> The poor souls in Somerset are flooded out, the South Coast rail line to C
ornwall is washed away and still it comes. No sign of help from the military
.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> <CBHI LETTER 050214.pdf>
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