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1. 12:06 AM - Re: Motorglider wings (alan.twigg775@gmail.com)
2. 02:12 AM - Re: Motorglider wings (David Joyce)
3. 02:38 AM - Re: Motorglider wings (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
4. 04:46 AM - Re: Motorglider wings (Iancook)
5. 04:54 AM - Re: New Europa Builder (alan_hunter1664)
6. 05:48 AM - Re: Motorglider wings (Sky Mail)
7. 06:06 AM - Re: Motorglider wings (Peter Zutrauen)
8. 06:29 AM - Re: Motorglider wings (Sky Mail)
9. 06:48 AM - Re: Motorglider wings (Peter Zutrauen)
10. 12:40 PM - Re: Motorglider wings (Ian Cook)
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
Thanks Ian, moats interesting.
I have fitted the Europa supplied Stall Warner.
I have fitted an undercarriage up Warner but was thinking of including an ai
r switch but since the Duo simply has a horn if at brakes are open with unde
rcarriage up, I will do the same on the Europa.
I have installed a pulley under the Airbrake torque tube to clear the Rudder
Cable.
I intend to put wheels in the wing tips but need to establish Aileron moveme
nt to fit wheels large enough to clear the full deflection case.
Thanks for the update.
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
> On 6 Feb 2014, at 21:59, Ian Cook <iancook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Alan,
> For Info
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Twigg
> Sent: 06 February 2014 18:03
> To: Europa list
> Subject: Europa-List: Motorglider wings
>
> Making great progress after a delay over Christmas. Drag pin spacers fitte
d and glassed; Lift and Drag fittings going on in next two days then off to t
he paintshop.
> Having a gliding instructor job, I have so much spare time with all this w
ind and rain in the UK, I must be one of the few with anything positive to c
ome out of it.
> The poor souls in Somerset are flooded out, the South Coast rail line to C
ornwall is washed away and still it comes. No sign of help from the military
.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> <CBHI LETTER 050214.pdf>
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
Graham, It isn't clear to me that a digital ASI would have
the same delays as a mechanical one, butin any case the
beauty of the SmartASS is that it starts to warn you that
your speed is decaying way before you are anywhere mear
falling out of the sky, and effectively keeps you very
close to whatever you have chosen as your safe speed for
that phase of flight. It is no more possible to ignore the
escalating warnings, than it would be to ignore your wife
had she caught youin some serious sin of ommission or
worse! Regards, David
On Fri, 7 Feb 2014 00:43:45 +0000 (GMT)
GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
> David
> certainly sounds very cleverly designed. I agree with
>your point about stall warner being too
> ready to cry wolf. My preference would be proper AoA
>display with voice warning. Then you have no time delay
> between event (AoA change) and warning.
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2014, 23:19
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Motorglider wings
>
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><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>
> . But quite coincidentally it is very much more
>effective than any stall warner I have flown with. My
>Europa one doesn't make much noise - a problem for a deaf
>old fart with expensive modern headset, and on top of
>that it sounds for an appreciable part of take off and
>landing runs, so I am 'trained' to ignore it!
> Regards, David
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 22:34:48 +0000 (GMT)
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
Pity I didn't have one back in March 2000!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________
_______________________=0A From: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0A
ject: Re: Europa-List: Motorglider wings=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-List message p
osted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0A=0A=0AGraham, It isn'
t clear to me that a digital ASI would have the same delays as a mechanical
one, butin any case the beauty of the SmartASS is that it starts to warn y
ou that your speed is decaying way before you are anywhere mear falling out
of the sky, and effectively keeps you very close to whatever you have chos
en as your safe speed for that phase of flight. It is no more possible to i
gnore the escalating warnings, than it would be to ignore your wife had she
caught youin some serious sin of ommission or worse! Regards, David=0A=0AO
n Fri, 7 Feb 2014 00:43:45 +0000 (GMT)=0AGRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@
btinternet.com> wrote:=0A> David=0A> certainly sounds very cleverly designe
d. I agree with your point about stall warner being too ready to cry wolf.
My preference would be proper AoA display with voice warning. Then you have
no time delay=0A> between event (AoA change) and warning.=0A> Graham=0A>
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ________________________________=0A> From: David J
oyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0A> To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Th
ursday, 6 February 2014, 23:19=0A> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Motorglider wi
yce@doctors.org.uk>=0A> =0A> =0A> . But quite coincidentally it is very muc
h more effective than any stall warner I have flown with. My Europa one doe
sn't make much noise - a problem for a deaf old fart with expensive modern
headset, and on top of that it sounds for an appreciable part of take off a
nd landing runs, so I am 'trained' to ignore it!=0A> Regards, David=0A> On
==
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
It is fitted with a feathering AirMaster prop but no gliding measurements ha
ve ever been done on my aircraft.
Regard
Ian
Sent from my iPhone
> On 7 Feb 2014, at 07:40, Sky Mail <richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com> wrot
e:
>
> Ian
>
> Thanks for sharing this update. Noting the shortfall on the minimum sink r
ate during Ivan Shaw's test flight - is CBHI fitted with a feathering prop a
nd was that used for the flight test?
>
> Rgds
> Richard
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 6 Feb 2014, at 21:59, Ian Cook <iancook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>> For Info
>>
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-se
rver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Twigg
>> Sent: 06 February 2014 18:03
>> To: Europa list
>> Subject: Europa-List: Motorglider wings
>>
>> Making great progress after a delay over Christmas. Drag pin spacers fitt
ed and glassed; Lift and Drag fittings going on in next two days then off to
the paintshop.
>> Having a gliding instructor job, I have so much spare time with all this w
ind and rain in the UK, I must be one of the few with anything positive to c
ome out of it.
>> The poor souls in Somerset are flooded out, the South Coast rail line to C
ornwall is washed away and still it comes. No sign of help from the military
.
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> <CBHI LETTER 050214.pdf>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Europa Builder |
Thanks you for all the messages of support, it is good to know I am not alone.
To answer some of the questions posed
I turn 50 this year, live in Lytham St Annes Lancashire and have worked Saudi Arabia
for BAE Systems for the last 25 years. However, I'm looking to return to
the UK ASAP, job permitting, so I can concentrate on my build. If that doesnt
happen I will still have at least 60 -90 days per year solid build time and I've
planned the activities I can do while I'm not home. I've estimated it will
take me 5 years and budgeted and additional 25-30K to complete. I dont know if
this timescale or budget is realistic but I will have to see how it goes.
Let the adventure begin!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418270#418270
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
Ian
Thanks - my reading of para71 of CS-22 is that the relevant sink measurement
is to be performed in 'power off' mode which I assume provides for the prop
to be feathered, if available as an option. That means that there may well
be scope to decrease drag, decrease sink rate and achieve SLMG certificatio
n under CS-22. But from the LAA notes is seems that you are happy not to ad
d that complication to your certification and happy to live with a "long win
g" SEA classification. My aim is to be able to maintain SLMG and SEA rating
s on the same aircraft, so I may have to be the first to cross that bridge o
nce the aircraft is complete, by demonstrating CS-22 compliance with a feath
ered prop (if it is achievable)?
Richard
Sent from my iPad
> On 7 Feb 2014, at 12:45, Iancook <iancook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is fitted with a feathering AirMaster prop but no gliding measurements h
ave ever been done on my aircraft.
>
> Regard
>
> Ian
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Sky Mail
<richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com>wrote:
> SLMG certification under CS-22
I'm curious as to what the min perf numbers are to meet CS-22,
Cheers and thx,
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
1.20 m/s sink for two seat aircraft and 1.0 m/s for a single seat aircraft.
Richard
Sent from my iPad
> On 7 Feb 2014, at 14:04, Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Sky Mail <richard.churchill-coleman@sky.c
om> wrote:
>> SLMG certification under CS-22
>
>
> I'm curious as to what the min perf numbers are to meet CS-22,
>
> Cheers and thx,
> Pete
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Sky Mail
<richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com>wrote:
> 1.20 m/s
hmmm..... pretty sure I saw less that 236ft/min during my Florida demo ship
ride with the prop feathered (w/914, two up, 1/2 fuel, clear day). What
are MG flyers typically seeing?
Cheers & thx,
Pete
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| Subject: | Motorglider wings |
Richard,
My aim is to get it flying and then address the issues one
by one. I do not think anybody has done comprehensive performance
measurements as a glider. The weight increase is my most important
issue.
Regards
Ian
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mail
Sent: 07 February 2014 13:48
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Motorglider wings
Ian
Thanks - my reading of para71 of CS-22 is that the relevant sink
measurement is to be performed in 'power off' mode which I assume
provides for the prop to be feathered, if available as an option. That
means that there may well be scope to decrease drag, decrease sink rate
and achieve SLMG certification under CS-22. But from the LAA notes is
seems that you are happy not to add that complication to your
certification and happy to live with a "long wing" SEA classification.
My aim is to be able to maintain SLMG and SEA ratings on the same
aircraft, so I may have to be the first to cross that bridge once the
aircraft is complete, by demonstrating CS-22 compliance with a feathered
prop (if it is achievable)?
Richard
Sent from my iPad
On 7 Feb 2014, at 12:45, Iancook <iancook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is fitted with a feathering AirMaster prop but no gliding
measurements have ever been done on my aircraft.
Regard
Ian
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