---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/08/14: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:42 AM - Re: Motorglider wings (h&jeuropa) 2. 09:20 AM - Europa buyer letter (John Wighton) 3. 10:17 AM - Re: Europa buyer letter (danny shepherd) 4. 12:45 PM - Re: Europa buyer letter (DAVID JOYCE) 5. 01:20 PM - Working Together - a poem (Fred Klein) 6. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Motorglider wings (Ian Cook) 7. 02:50 PM - Re: Motorglider wings (rparigoris) 8. 02:58 PM - Re: Motorglider wings (rparigoris) 9. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Motorglider wings (David DeFord) 10. 08:08 PM - Re: Motorglider wings (rparigoris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:54 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motorglider wings From: "h&jeuropa" It might be useful, as you work with LAA, to have a US FAA approved example of how to handle the issue of Motorglider or Airplane. Our Airworthiness Certificate states "Amateur Built Aircraft/Motor Glider" and our Operating Limitations reference our program letter in which we stated that "This aircraft is designed to be operated in two configurations as follows: Aircraft Configuration, 27 ft wing span with flaps Motor Glider Configuration, 47.5 ft wing span with air brakes The pilot in command of this aircraft shall comply with the applicable sections of FAR Part 61 prior to operating the aircraft in any of the above referenced configurations." We appreciate seeing the letter from Francis Donaldson addressing concerns about switching wings - good things to think about as we proceed with our glider wings. Can anyone tell us what item 17 is about? One issue not mentioned is that the flap actuation rod on a monowheel interferes with the Mod 78 enhanced spar, maybe no one in the UK with a mono is retrofitting glider wings yet? Jim & Heather Butcher N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418353#418353 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:39 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter From: "John Wighton" Some weeks ago l received a letter from a chap who was looking for a Trigear Europa. I got the impression he had used GINFO for contact details. If anyone else in the UK got a similar letter can you please pass his details to me in a PM. -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418361#418361 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:48 AM PST US From: danny shepherd Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter Hi John, I did, but as my a/c is not for sale I ignored it. Sorry:-( . Cheers Danny. G-ceri On 08/02/2014 17:19, John Wighton wrote: > > Some weeks ago l received a letter from a chap who was looking for a Trigear Europa. I got the impression he had used GINFO for contact details. If anyone else in the UK got a similar letter can you please pass his details to me in a PM. > > -------- > John Wighton > Europa XS trigear G-IPOD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418361#418361 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:26 PM PST US From: DAVID JOYCE Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter -I believe he may have been a friend of the other David Joyce?=0A=0Argds =0ADJ=0ASent to you-by David Joyce=0Awww.eastmidsspas.com- =0A-=0APLE ASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED AND ARE NOW AT=0AThe Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham R oad Ripley Derbys DE5 3AS=0A160 Meters from Sainsbury's Island=0A-=0ASame Phone 0800 4102122 and Direct Mobile 07973 675755=0A-=0A =0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: danny shepherd =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, 8 February 2014, 18:16 =0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted by: danny shepherd =0A=0AHi John, =0A- - - - - - - I did, but as my a/c is not for sale I ignor ed it. Sorry:-( .=0A=0ACheers Danny. G-ceri=0A=0AOn 08/02/2014 17:19, John wighton.net>=0A>=0A> Some weeks ago l received a letter from a chap who was looking for a Trigear Europa.- I got the impression he had used GINFO fo r contact details.- If anyone else in the UK got a similar letter can you please pass his details to me in a PM.=0A>=0A> --------=0A> John Wighton =0A> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this topic online he re:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418361#418361=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> -----=0A> No virus found i ============= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:06 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: Working Together - a poem > Working Together > > We shape our self > to fit this world > > and by the world > are shaped again. > > The visible > and the invisible > > working together > in common cause, > > to produce > the miraculous. > > I am thinking of the way > the intangible air > > passed at speed > round a shaped wing > > easily > holds our weight. > > So may we, in this life > trust > > to those elements > we have yet to see > > or imagine, > and look for the true > > shape of our own self, > by forming it well > > to the great > intangibles about us. > > -- David Whyte > from The House of Belonging > =A91996 Many Rivers Press > > Written for the presentation of The Collier Trophy to The Boeing Company > marking the introduction of the new 777 passenger jet. > do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:34 PM PST US From: Ian Cook Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motorglider wings Hi Jim, Mine is a mono with retro fit MG wings but not aware of foul you describe. Still trying to find the details behind 17 myself. Ian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of h&jeuropa Sent: 08 February 2014 14:42 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motorglider wings It might be useful, as you work with LAA, to have a US FAA approved example of how to handle the issue of Motorglider or Airplane. Our Airworthiness Certificate states "Amateur Built Aircraft/Motor Glider" and our Operating Limitations reference our program letter in which we stated that "This aircraft is designed to be operated in two configurations as follows: Aircraft Configuration, 27 ft wing span with flaps Motor Glider Configuration, 47.5 ft wing span with air brakes The pilot in command of this aircraft shall comply with the applicable sections of FAR Part 61 prior to operating the aircraft in any of the above referenced configurations." We appreciate seeing the letter from Francis Donaldson addressing concerns about switching wings - good things to think about as we proceed with our glider wings. Can anyone tell us what item 17 is about? One issue not mentioned is that the flap actuation rod on a monowheel interferes with the Mod 78 enhanced spar, maybe no one in the UK with a mono is retrofitting glider wings yet? Jim & Heather Butcher N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418353#418353 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motorglider wings From: "rparigoris" Hi Ian "Mine is a mono with retro fit MG wings but not aware of foul you describe." The flap push-rod will not work with post mod 78 spars on a XS Mono. I never looked close at a Classic Mono, but off the cuff think problem will be the same as XS. You can't modify the push-rod to clear post Mod 78 spar, air-brake cable and pitch cross tube in both gear down and gear up positions. Options: Install an electric flap motor, you could have flaps chase gear electrically. Install a push-pull cable which was my choice. Of course you can choose to not fly with short wings and remove flap push-rod. Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418376#418376 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:23 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motorglider wings From: "rparigoris" Hi Ian Why would you need to change bungee tension between long and short wings as is hinted at from #6? 6. Undercarriage bungees. The tension had been adjusted and was now considered satisfactory. For future long wing or convertible aircraft, the manual needs to include advice about how to set the bungee tension to suit the two different configurations. Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418377#418377 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:27 PM PST US From: "David DeFord" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motorglider wings > Why would you need to change bungee tension between long and short > wings as is hinted at from #6? It isn't necessary to change the tension between long and short wings, but the difference in retraction/extension force is significant. Particularly at higher speeds, aerodynamic forces on the flaps push them toward the retracted position, giving a reduction in retraction force (and an increase in extension force) toward the "down" end of the cycle. After changing from short wings to long, I am always surprised for the first few flights that I have to push forward on the gear lever to start it moving after releasing it from the latched-down gate. Of course, the difference in force is minimal near the fully retracted position. A builder of a dedicated motorglider might choose to optimize the bungee tension differently from an airplane with short wings only, but we did not adjust the tension when we added the long wings to our flying short-wing XS mono. Dave DeFord N135TD ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:44 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motorglider wings From: "rparigoris" Hi Dave Thx. for your reply about bungee tension. It sounds like you switch back and forth between short and long wings on your XS Mono. Did you do Mod 78? If so how did you get your flap push-rod to clear post mod 78 spars, airbrake cable and pitch cross tube? Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418393#418393 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.