---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/11/14: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:57 AM - Re: Re: Motorglider wings (Sky Mail) 2. 04:41 AM - Re: Europa buyer letter (G-IANI) 3. 05:30 AM - Re: Europa buyer letter (Brian Davies) 4. 07:17 AM - Re: What is this stuff called..........jigging material (Andrew Sarangan) 5. 08:06 AM - Re: Europa buyer letter (DAVID JOYCE) 6. 09:17 AM - Re: Europa buyer letter (G-IANI) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Motorglider wings From: Sky Mail Bud Thanks for this info - I assume these were all at 1,370 lbs? I see 419PL is a trigear so I assume we can expect slightly better than -250 fpm from a mo no set up at the same weight? regards Richard Sent from my iPad > On 10 Feb 2014, at 01:23, Bud Yerly wrote: > > Just a note on sink rates in 419PL: > =46rom my 1000 miles in the MG (copies in Europa Flyer or my website www.c ustomflightcreations.com accessories and tips look under techniques). > Sink Rates observed: Engine off, prop feathered from one test flight: > > 90 Kts 400fpm > > 80Kts 300fpm > > 70 Kts 300 fpm > > 65 Kts 250 fpm > > 55 Kts 350 fpm trimmed nearly full aft. > > Since Mod 78 makes the spar the same height from root spar to the tip of t he spar, it should not be a major problem normally. Careful construction on ly thickens the spar about 1/16 of an inch. I am sorry Dave, that your tank was put in too low. If the interior is not hard to remove, consider moving the tank up. Yes its a mess but in a week it could be done. I know it is e asy for me to say, as one mistake and the cost of a new tank gets figured in makes the job a real knuckle biter. > > I do not do tech support for Europa any longer, but if you come to Sun 'n Fun (Site 33 this year) you can look over what we have done to ensure the Mo d 78 spar clears controls, includes a spar cup/support for rigging ease, and I'll show how to remove the crosslink bolts and add countersunk screws whic h preserves all the structure. If you can't make the show, then email me of f line and I'll send you what I have. > > I supplied Europa with drawings on modifying the flap push rod to clear th e spars as that is a real problem on the mono. Trigear is a piece of cake. Keep the spars thin and it will work. > > The extra 100 pounds the glider wing adds can make the plane a single seat only aircraft unless you built light. It does move right along if you go r eally high, but below 10,000 MSL it is basically an economical 120 knot bird . You can really stretch the range with the long wings. > > Once the health becomes a concern, it is also quite nice to fly as a glide r with no medical. > > Regards, > Bud Yerly > > > > > > > From: deford.dave@gmail.com > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motorglider wings > > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 06:03:17 -0800 > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > We did switch back and forth between short and long wings, accumulating 9 0 > > hours on the long wings, before we heard about the Mod 78 structural > > problems and quit using them. > > > > The long wings would not fit into the fuselage of N135TD with the taller > > spar tangs of Mod 78. Building according to the current instructions 15 > > years ago (modified shortly thereafter), our tank is set low enough that the > > "shelf" at the top front interfered with the short wing spar tangs. I > > heated the tank locally to deform it enough to pass the starboard tang, a nd > > then had to do it again for the slightly taller long wing spars. We woul d > > have to cut open the cockpit module and replace the tank in order to gai n > > enough clearance for the modified spars, which we are not prepared to do .. > > Since the long wings are of no use to us, we would be happy to sell them at > > just about any price to someone who could use them (after applying Mod 7 8, > > of course). > > > > Dave DeFord > > N135TD > > > > > It sounds like you switch back and forth between short and long wings > > > on your XS Mono. > > > > > > Did you do Mod 78? If so how did you get your flap push-rod to clear > > > post mod 78 spars, airbrake cable and pitch cross tube? > > > > > >======================== > > > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:53 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter It was Iain Clarke email: vfrflight@btinternet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Wighton Sent: 08 February 2014 17:20 Subject: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter Some weeks ago l received a letter from a chap who was looking for a Trigear Europa. I got the impression he had used GINFO for contact details. If anyone else in the UK got a similar letter can you please pass his details to me in a PM. -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418361#418361 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:05 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter Welcome back Ian! Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI Sent: 11 February 2014 12:41 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter It was Iain Clarke email: vfrflight@btinternet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Wighton Sent: 08 February 2014 17:20 Subject: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter Some weeks ago l received a letter from a chap who was looking for a Trigear Europa. I got the impression he had used GINFO for contact details. If anyone else in the UK got a similar letter can you please pass his details to me in a PM. -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418361#418361 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:30 AM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Re: Europa-List: What is this stuff called..........jigging material I also use this stuff to build frames to hold equipment and various items in place. I think it is also referred to as T-slotted aluminum framing. McMaster carries a bunch of them. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 5:03 PM, wrote: > Hi Tony > > 80-20 > > http://www.8020.net/ > > Look on E-Bay too. > > Ron Parigoris > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:29 AM PST US From: DAVID JOYCE Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter -Ditto=0A=0AGood to have you back Ian :-)=0ASent to you-by David Joyce =0Awww.eastmidsspas.com- =0A-=0APLEASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED AND ARE NOW A T=0AThe Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham Road Ripley Derbys DE5 3AS=0A160 Mete rs from Sainsbury's Island=0A-=0ASame Phone 0800 4102122 and Direct Mobil e 07973 675755=0A-=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Bri an Davies =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASen t: Tuesday, 11 February 2014, 13:29=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: Europa buye .davies@clara.co.uk>=0A=0AWelcome back Ian!=0A=0ABrian=0A=0A-----Original M essage-----=0AFrom: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner- europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI=0ASent: 11 February 2 014 12:41=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: Europ world.com>=0A=0AIt was Iain Clarke email: vfrflight@btinternet.com=0A=0A--- --Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com=0A[m ailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Wighton=0AS ent: 08 February 2014 17:20=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Euro Wighton" =0A=0ASome weeks ago l received a letter from a chap who was looking for a Trigear=0AEuropa.- I got the impression he had used GINFO for contact details.- If=0Aanyone else in the UK got a simila r letter can you please pass his details=0Ato me in a PM.=0A=0A--------=0AJ ohn Wighton=0AEuropa XS trigear G-IPOD=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418361#418361=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----=0ANo virus foun ========= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:33 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter Sorry folks - it was Irene replying on Ian's behalf but he was here supervising! From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID JOYCE Sent: 11 February 2014 16:05 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter Ditto Good to have you back Ian :-) Sent to you by David Joyce www.eastmidsspas.com PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED AND ARE NOW AT The Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham Road Ripley Derbys DE5 3AS 160 Meters from Sainsbury's Island Same Phone 0800 4102122 and Direct Mobile 07973 675755 From: Brian Davies Sent: Tuesday, 11 February 2014, 13:29 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter Welcome back Ian! Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI Sent: 11 February 2014 12:41 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter It was Iain Clarke email: vfrflight@btinternet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Wighton Sent: 08 February 2014 17:20 Subject: Europa-List: Europa buyer letter Some weeks ago l received a letter from a chap who was looking for a Trigear Europa. I got the impression he had used GINFO for contact details. If anyone else in the UK got a similar letter can you please pass his details to me in a PM. -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418361#418361 ----- No virus found in this message. 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