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1. 02:15 AM - Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
2. 02:26 AM - Re: New cockpit panel (Roland)
3. 03:06 AM - Au revior (gtagr)
4. 03:56 AM - Re: Au revior (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
5. 04:12 AM - Re: Au revior (David Joyce)
6. 04:24 AM - Re: New cockpit panel (spcialeffects)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Potential problem with second Nicopress and dull SS control,cable question (richard)
8. 08:55 AM - Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable (Mike Baker)
9. 08:56 AM - Re: Au revior (richard)
10. 09:48 AM - Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable (David Joyce)
11. 11:06 AM - Re: New cockpit panel (Roland)
12. 11:21 AM - Re: New cockpit panel (spcialeffects)
13. 12:28 PM - Re: Potential problem with second Nicopress and dull SS control,cable question (Tony Renshaw)
14. 06:31 PM - Rudder Pedal Step Stretching (Tony Renshaw)
15. 06:44 PM - Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable (Michel AUVRAY)
16. 11:03 PM - Re: Rudder Pedal Step Stretching (spcialeffects)
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Subject: | Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable |
Yes, stainless was developed for yachts, sea water contamination resistant.
There isn't much bending in the Europa so no worries about fatigue.=0AMust
be the multi strand stuff though, 7X19 springs to mind but anyway it's fin
e wire strands for flexibility.=0AGraham=0A=0AAlso be sure you use the righ
t crimps, plated I think, not plain copper. Get a second opinion, I not as
young as I once was!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A F
rom: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0ATo: GRAHAM SINGLETON <graham
singleton@btinternet.com>; europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, 2 Mar
ch 2014, 6:04=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel Control
Cable=0A =0A=0A=0AHi Graham,=0AWish I knew if it was what was supplied by
Europa. I=99ve had the kit too long to know, things have been moved a
round, and I don=99t recall the Europa stuff ever being labelled.=C2
-=0AMaybe someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part is, it looks
old even though it mightn=99t be. It reminds me of a Hills Hoist outs
ide clothes line cable, but I think that is more of an Aussie thing. I actu
ally don=99t have enough Nicopress sleeves now so I=99ll need m
ore of those anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff ;-)=0AYou normally
use Stainless Steel cable by choice don=99t you??=0ATR=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0AOn 2 Mar 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet
.com> wrote:=0A=0ATony=0A>I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable.
It should be fine in Oz, so long as you don't go=C2-=0A>ocean sailing wi
th it!=0A>Graham=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>_______________________________
_=0A>From:=C2-Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0A>To:=C2-europa-
list@matronics.com=C2-=0A>Sent:=C2-Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49=0A>Sub
ject:=C2-Europa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable=0A>=0A>=0A>
=0A>=0A>Gidday,=0A>I have gone through my fair share of cable, and conseque
ntly I have bits everywhere. I have a roll of cable which appears to be gal
vanised, or really dull Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn=99t ha
ppen. Why have nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I ha
ve to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The unknown roll of dull
cable I have is extremely attractive to the magnet, and the Stainless is on
ly slightly, but still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long suspend
ed run, like the length in the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is
mm away, but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only imagine m
ight have been that supplied by Europa, and I wouldn=99t know because
this roll has no product code or numbers on it.=C2-=0A>My question, whil
st I=99d prefer to use Stainless just because it doesn=99t look
like it has been in the aircraft for a million years, however the gal cabl
e (or whatever it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of bend
s. This is a conservative approach from gliders where control cabling can h
ave acute bends, but we don=99t have that. So, should I resurrect thi
s roll of cable out of my waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with
Stainless Steel?=0A>Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all th
e help I=99ve got with this sofar.=C2-=0A>Regards=0A>Tony=C2-Rens
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Subject: | Re: New cockpit panel |
Believe it or not, the project goes on.....
BTW: a new set is already been made and ready for shipping :-)
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS Trigear 914
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Having just sold my Tri-gear 100hp G-TAGR yesterday (to Paul Norwood at Bournemouth),
just to say thanks for the excellent support I've experienced from Europa
Club and its members these last few years. The congenial nature of the dialogue,
the readiness to help from all its members and the club trips organised
by David J have been exceptional - thank you. My plans are to learn to glide
and fly tug-planes (if I'm good enough) and possibly build again in a few years
time -when the pressures on time are a little reduced. Regards. Clive Sutton
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You could tow gliders with your Europa, if LAA would allow it! First Europa
Classic tug plane was Walter Binder's=0AClassic, he was an early builder i
n Germany=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From:
gtagr <clive.maf@googlemail.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: S
unday, 2 March 2014, 11:06=0ASubject: Europa-List: Au revior=0A =0A=0A--> E
uropa-List message posted by: "gtagr" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>=0A=0AHavin
g just sold my Tri-gear 100hp G-TAGR yesterday (to Paul Norwood at Bournemo
uth), just to say thanks for the excellent support I've experienced from Eu
ropa Club and its members these last few years. The congenial nature of the
dialogue, the readiness to help from all its members and the club trips or
ganised by David J have been exceptional - thank you.- My plans are to le
arn to glide and fly tug-planes (if I'm good enough) and possibly build aga
in in a few years time -when the pressures on time are a little reduced.-
Regards.- Clive Sutton=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ah
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Clive, sorry to see you go, but enjoy your next phase of
flying. I found both gliding and tugging very satisfying.
The tugging in particular surprised me as I had expected
it to be a bit repetitive and dull. Not a bit of it, as
you will no doubt discover! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 03:06:26 -0800
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> Having just sold my Tri-gear 100hp G-TAGR yesterday (to
>Paul Norwood at Bournemouth), just to say thanks for the
>excellent support I've experienced from Europa Club and
>its members these last few years. The congenial nature of
>the dialogue, the readiness to help from all its members
>and the club trips organised by David J have been
>exceptional - thank you. My plans are to learn to glide
>and fly tug-planes (if I'm good enough) and possibly
>build again in a few years time -when the pressures on
>time are a little reduced. Regards. Clive Sutton
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Subject: | Re: New cockpit panel |
Just a note for UK owners. I was quite interested in fitting a full width panel
although this one works out quite expensive so I asked my inspector for his opinion
and he said email Andy draper, which I did and his response was that it
is a mod, which would need to be applied for and he would need to see crash test
data and such, so in conclusion too much trouble and too expensive.
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Subject: | Re: Potential problem with second Nicopress and dull SS control,cable |
question
Hi Tony
The BGA here in England banned the use of stainless steel for rudder
cables about 10 years age. I think it was because with age like us it
gets a bit brittle but still looks good! As Graham has said the cable
run is very straight forward mostly internal, don=99t worry use
the stuff supplied by Europa but get plated Nicropress sleeves.
Best wishes
Richard
From: Tony Renshaw
Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:19 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Potential problem with second Nicopress and dull
SS control,cable question
Gidday,
So, I've tried using a second incompressible, but am now concerned I
have done that correctly. I placed the second one up against the other
one, and as they compress, we know they exude outward, even a little
bit. I reckon the cable I between the 2 could now be under tension,
continually, and possibly quite a lot. Whatever stress it is preloaded
is an equivalent weight, which in essence would minimise the stress
loading on the cable.
I've Lao got cable kicking around that looks more like gal than
Stainless Steel, but I know I have only ever bought the right stuff 7x7
3/32" dia control cable. Is there a reason why over time Stainess Steel
cable can go dull over time?
Tony Renshaw
Sent from my iPad
On 1 Mar 2014, at 9:52 am, Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
Yes I did. The 25mm long tail Richard talks about, instead of using
tape I use an additional sleeve.
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
On 1/03/2014, at 11:22 am, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Tim,
So did you use two on all the ends, from pedal all the way thru to
rudder?
TR
On 1 Mar 2014, at 8:52, Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
Tony,
As Richard stated, I used two Nicopress Sleeves for " peace of
mind".
Good recommendation.
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
On 1/03/2014, at 6:39 am, "richard" <rcollings@talktalk.net>
wrote:
Hi Tony You must leave an inch long tail after the sleeve and
shrink a short length of electric wire sleeving on to that end for
protection.
Two things you can do also, conduct a proof load test, I
don=99t know the loads but Europa may, or you could drop an email
to Andy Draper at the LAA engineering dept he would know. The other way
of being certain is to build the cables with two Nicopress sleeves on
each end. I know its more weight but =9CPiece of mind=9Dis
worth a few ounces .
Best of luck
Richard
From: Tony Renshaw
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:41 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Nicopress Squeezes Using Aviation Approved
Squeezer......comments requested .
Gidday,
I=99ve attached 2 photos of my Nicopress squeezes, and 1
of the jaws of the tool. Any input gratefully received.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
<2014_02_28_Distorted_Nicopress-12.jpeg><2014_02_28_Squeezed_Nicopress_En
d-14.jpeg>
<2014_02_28_Nicopress_Crimper_Jaws-11.jpeg>
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Subject: | Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable |
Mil-DTL-83420 is the general spec that describes the requirements flight co
ntrol cables=0A=C2-Composition A - Carbon steel, zinc, or tin over zinc c
oated=0Asteel cable is stronger and stiffer than corrosion resistant steel
=C2-=0A=C2-=0AMIL-DTL-83420/1 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Compositio
n A.=0A=C2-M83420/1-005 Indicates - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Carbon S
teel,=0AConstruction; 7 x 19, Nominal Diameter 5/32=0A=C2-=0AComposition
B - Corrosion resistant steel=0AMIL-DTL-83420/2 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type
I, Composition B.=0A=C2-MIL-DTL-781 - Terminal, Wire Rope Swaging, Gener
al Specification for.=0A=C2-=0Ause this info to find the spec of cable yo
u have=0Athe nicopress is usable on either. best to ck spec on swaging =0A
=C2-=0Athe best place I know of for flight control cables is Mcfarlane av
iation (USA) =0Aalso a good source for other "stuff"=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A
=C2-=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: GRAHAM SINGLETON
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>=0ATo: "europa-list@matronics.com" <europa-
list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:14 AM=0ASubject: Re: E
uropa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable=0A =0A=0A=0AYes, stain
less was developed for yachts, sea water contamination resistant. There isn
't much bending in the Europa so no worries about fatigue.=0AMust be the mu
lti strand stuff though, 7X19 springs to mind but anyway it's fine wire str
ands for flexibility.=0AGraham=0A=0AAlso be sure you use the right crimps,
plated I think, not plain copper. Get a second opinion, I not as young as I
once was!=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Tony
Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0ATo: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton
@btinternet.com>; europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, 2 March 2014,
6:04=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable=0A
=0A=0A=0AHi Graham,=0AWish I knew if it was what was supplied by Europa.
I=99ve had the kit too long to know, things have been moved around, a
nd I don=99t recall the Europa stuff ever being labelled.=C2-=0AMay
be someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part is, it looks old even
though it mightn=99t be. It reminds me of a Hills Hoist outside cloth
es line cable, but I think that is more of an Aussie thing. I actually don
=99t have enough Nicopress sleeves now so I=99ll need more of t
hose anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff ;-)=0AYou normally use Sta
inless Steel cable by choice don=99t you??=0ATR=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn 2 Ma
r 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrot
e:=0A=0ATony=0A>I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It should
be fine in Oz, so long as you don't go=C2-=0A>ocean sailing with it!=0A>
Graham=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>From:
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nics.com=C2-=0A>Sent:=C2-Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49=0A>Subject:=C2
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pa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0A>=0A>G
idday,=0A>I have gone through my fair share of cable, and consequently I ha
ve bits everywhere. I have a roll of cable which appears to be galvanised,
or really dull Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn=99t happen. Why
have nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I have to fig
ure out what is what is to use a magnet. The unknown roll of dull cable I h
ave is extremely attractive to the magnet, and the Stainless is only slight
ly, but still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long suspended run, l
ike the length in=0A the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm awa
y, but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only imagine might h
ave been that supplied by Europa, and I wouldn=99t know because this
roll has no product code or numbers on it.=C2-=0A>My question, whilst I
=99d prefer to use Stainless just because it doesn=99t look lik
e it has been in the aircraft for a million years, however the gal cable (o
r whatever it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of bends. T
his is a conservative approach from gliders where control cabling can have
acute bends, but we don=99t have that. So, should I resurrect this ro
ll of cable out of my waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with Sta
inless Steel?=0A>Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the he
lp I=99ve got with this sofar.=C2-=0A>Regards=0A>Tony=C2-Renshawh
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Hi Graham
Do you have any more info on the Europa classic Tug, as you probably
know Euro Fox have sold very well in the UK as glider tugs, we have one,
the first one to be cleared by the CAA/BGA.
It works very well and gives the Banbury Gliding Club a considerable
cost saving on aero tow. A 2000ft tow is about =A314 and 1000ft lob when
doing circuit training is half that which put a launch within reach of
the cost of a winch launch.
I must say I like the idea of the Europa earning its keep.
Kind regards
Richard
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON
Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Au revior
You could tow gliders with your Europa, if LAA would allow it! First
Europa Classic tug plane was Walter Binder's
Classic, he was an early builder in Germany
Graham
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From: gtagr <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2014, 11:06
Subject: Europa-List: Au revior
Having just sold my Tri-gear 100hp G-TAGR yesterday (to Paul Norwood at
Bournemouth), just to say thanks for the excellent support I've
experienced from Europa Club and its members these last few years. The
congenial nature of the dialogue, the readiness to help from all its
members and the club trips organised by David J have been exceptional -
thank you. My plans are to learn to glide and fly tug-planes (if I'm
good enough) and possibly build again in a few years time -when the
pressures on time are a little reduced. Regards. Clive Sutton
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Subject: | Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable |
One tip for those installing rudder cables in a mono is to
run them inside the light plastic tubing (used extensively
in gliders) through the wheel well. It is virtually
friction free and protects them entirely from damp & grit.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 08:55:07 -0800 (PST)
Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mil-DTL-83420 is the general spec that describes the
>requirements flight control cables
> Composition A - Carbon steel, zinc, or tin over zinc
>coated
> steel cable is stronger and stiffer than corrosion
>resistant steel
>
> MIL-DTL-83420/1 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I,
>Composition A.
> M83420/1-005 Indicates - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I,
>Carbon Steel,
> Construction; 7 x 19, Nominal Diameter 5/32
>
> Composition B - Corrosion resistant steel
> MIL-DTL-83420/2 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I,
>Composition B.
> MIL-DTL-781 - Terminal, Wire Rope Swaging, General
>Specification for.
>
> use this info to find the spec of cable you have
> the nicopress is usable on either. best to ck spec on
>swaging
>
> the best place I know of for flight control cables is
>Mcfarlane aviation (USA)
> also a good source for other "stuff"
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
> To: "europa-list@matronics.com"
><europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel
>Control Cable
>
>
>
> Yes, stainless was developed for yachts, sea water
>contamination resistant. There isn't much bending in the
>Europa so no worries about fatigue.
> Must be the multi strand stuff though, 7X19 springs to
>mind but anyway it's fine wire strands for flexibility.
> Graham
>
> Also be sure you use the right crimps, plated I think,
>not plain copper. Get a second opinion, I not as young as
>I once was!
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
> To: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>;
>europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2014, 6:04
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel
>Control Cable
>
>
>
> Hi Graham,
> Wish I knew if it was what was supplied by Europa. Ive
>had the kit too long to know, things have been moved
>around, and I dont recall the Europa stuff ever being
>labelled.
> Maybe someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part
>is, it looks old even though it mightnt be. It reminds
>me of a Hills Hoist outside clothes line cable, but I
>think that is more of an Aussie thing. I actually dont
>have enough Nicopress sleeves now so Ill need more of
>those anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff ;-)
> You normally use Stainless Steel cable by choice dont
>you??
> TR
>
>
>
>
> On 2 Mar 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON
><grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Tony
>>I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It
>>should be fine in Oz, so long as you don't go
>>ocean sailing with it!
>>Graham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From:Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
>>To:europa-list@matronics.com
>>Sent:Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49
>>Subject:Europa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel Control
>>Cable
>>
>>
>><tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
>>
>>Gidday,
>>I have gone through my fair share of cable, and
>>consequently I have bits everywhere. I have a roll of
>>cable which appears to be galvanised, or really dull
>>Stainless Steel, which I believe doesnt happen. Why have
>>nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I
>>have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The
>>unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive
>>to the magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but
>>still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long
>>suspended run, like the length in
> the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away,
>but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only
>imagine might have been that supplied by Europa, and I
>wouldnt know because this roll has no product code or
>numbers on it.
>>My question, whilst Id prefer to use Stainless just
>>because it doesnt look like it has been in the aircraft
>>for a million years, however the gal cable (or whatever
>>it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of
>>bends. This is a conservative approach from gliders where
>>control cabling can have acute bends, but we dont have
>>that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my
>>waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with
>>Stainless Steel?
>>Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the
>>help Ive got with this sofar.
>>Regards
>>TonyRenshawhttp://forums.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: New cockpit panel |
Hi Frank,
I wasn't aware of the fact, that crash test data is needed in the UK for Experimental
aircrafts - have there been made any crash tests with the Europa? I thought
that only certified aircrafts have to be crash tested.
Well, the cockpit design is generally no other than the DA 20 Katana or many Microlight designs (in fact almost all aircraft have full width panels) and I cannot see any differences concerning crash behavior. BTW on the club homepage you can also find a picture of a full width panel, but I don't know, if it belongs to a UK-builder http://www.theeuropaclub.org/for-builders/panel-instruments/.
As for the costs, this is only the price I relay for the producer of it (I'm not
the producer), only wanted to make this clear :-).
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS Trigear 914
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Subject: | Re: New cockpit panel |
Hi Roland, the cost all in to get it to the uk worked out about 900 which is abit
much for a panel. The full width one on the europa club site is from flight
creation which is the American dealer/distributor and those Americans can do
near enough what ever they like. Here in the UK everything has to go through the
LAA which is governed by the CAA and any change to the instructions is classed
as a modification, which means lots of paperwork, money and hoops to jump
through which just isn't worth it sometimes.
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Subject: | Re: Potential problem with second Nicopress and dull SS control,cable |
question
Hi Richard,
So yours must be the dull stuff too? I'll check the ACS catalogue again, but
I thought that's all they sold, the Stainless Steel stuff. Funny that it's O
k in the US, where most of the worlds aviating occurs, but I understand bure
aucracy. Thanks for the definitive answer. This stuff I have has been in a 1
5" dia roll since 1996. Do you think that is a concern?
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sent from my iPad
> On 3 Mar 2014, at 3:33 am, "richard" <rcollings@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
> The BGA here in England banned the use of stainless steel for rudder cable
s about 10 years age. I think it was because with age like us it gets a bit b
rittle but still looks good! As Graham has said the cable run is very straig
ht forward mostly internal, don=99t worry use the stuff supplied by Eu
ropa but get plated Nicropress sleeves.
> Best wishes
> Richard
>
> From: Tony Renshaw
> Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:19 AM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Potential problem with second Nicopress and dull SS c
ontrol,cable question
>
> Gidday,
> So, I've tried using a second incompressible, but am now concerned I have d
one that correctly. I placed the second one up against the other one, and as
they compress, we know they exude outward, even a little bit. I reckon the c
able I between the 2 could now be under tension, continually, and possibly q
uite a lot. Whatever stress it is preloaded is an equivalent weight, which i
n essence would minimise the stress loading on the cable.
> I've Lao got cable kicking around that looks more like gal than Stainless S
teel, but I know I have only ever bought the right stuff 7x7 3/32" dia contr
ol cable. Is there a reason why over time Stainess Steel cable can go dull o
ver time?
> Tony Renshaw
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 1 Mar 2014, at 9:52 am, Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> Yes I did. The 25mm long tail Richard talks about, instead of using tape I
use an additional sleeve.
>> Tim
>>
>> Tim Ward
>> 12 Waiwetu Street
>> Fendalton,
>> Christchurch, 8052
>> New Zealand.
>>
>> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>>
>> Ph 64 3 3515166
>> Mob 0210640221
>>
>>
>>> On 1/03/2014, at 11:22 am, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote
:
>>>
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> So did you use two on all the ends, from pedal all the way thru to rudde
r?
>>> TR
>>>
>>>> On 1 Mar 2014, at 8:52, Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tony,
>>>> As Richard stated, I used two Nicopress Sleeves for " peace of mind".
>>>> Good recommendation.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> Tim Ward
>>>> 12 Waiwetu Street
>>>> Fendalton,
>>>> Christchurch, 8052
>>>> New Zealand.
>>>>
>>>> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>>>>
>>>> Ph 64 3 3515166
>>>> Mob 0210640221
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/03/2014, at 6:39 am, "richard" <rcollings@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tony You must leave an inch long tail after the sleeve and shrink a
short length of electric wire sleeving on to that end for protection.
>>>>> Two things you can do also, conduct a proof load test, I don=99t
know the loads but Europa may, or you could drop an email to Andy Draper at
the LAA engineering dept he would know. The other way of being certain is t
o build the cables with two Nicopress sleeves on each end. I know its more w
eight but =9CPiece of mind=9Dis worth a few ounces .
>>>>> Best of luck
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Tony Renshaw
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:41 AM
>>>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Europa-List: Nicopress Squeezes Using Aviation Approved Squee
zer......comments requested .
>>>>>
>>>>> Gidday,
>>>>> I=99ve attached 2 photos of my Nicopress squeezes, and 1 of the j
aws of the tool. Any input gratefully received.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Tony Renshaw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <2014_02_28_Distorted_Nicopress-12.jpeg><2014_02_28_Squeezed_Nicopress
_End-14.jpeg>
>>>>>
>>>>> <2014_02_28_Nicopress_Crimper_Jaws-11.jpeg>
>>>>>
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Subject: | Rudder Pedal Step Stretching |
Gidday,
Ive heard it mentioned that to extend this step back a bit might make things more
comfortable. Can I get an input on what dimension is recommended? Ive heard
about 75 mm would do it, and I will probably build it into my floor mat mod that
I want to do.
Thanks.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Aussie
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Subject: | Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable |
Hello all,
I am skydiver since 1960, and parachutes builder since 1973, all of the
parachutes handles for reserve sport, pilot chutes, ejection seat,
military equipments are made since 1960 in stainless steel. The handle
assembly are tested in accordance with TSO C23c, d or e.
Each component are in Stainless steel, handle, cable and swaging ball,
and the cable is conform to MIL W 83420 7x7x19 Dia. 2.38 mm or similar,
nominal strength is 420 kg > 927 lbs.
These handle are perfect in the time. For example I have parachutes in
my collection with the differents harware completely rusty but the
handle cable and pins of the same origin have very beautiful aspect,
after tested these old handle, they are always conform to the TSO as
like brand new, but they have 40 years old.
The stainless steel cable 7x7x19 is best beacause this cable is very
flexible and more easy to work.
I install these cables in 1999 on my monowheel; it is interesting if
your aircraft is parked near the coast (sea) or if the place where you
park is very wet.
Note the effort on these cables on the Europa are very low.
Also if it is possible install a shrink thermo molding sleeve over the
Nicopress because they are sometimes agressive.
I agree with David, my cables run into the teflon sleeve, not in full
lenght but to 3 meters inside the cockpit module where there is friction
possible to others components for protection.
Michel AUVRAY
Mono 145
Le 02/03/2014 18:48, David Joyce a crit :
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> One tip for those installing rudder cables in a mono is to run them
> inside the light plastic tubing (used extensively in gliders) through
> the wheel well. It is virtually friction free and protects them
> entirely from damp & grit.
> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
>
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 08:55:07 -0800 (PST)
> Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Mil-DTL-83420 is the general spec that describes the requirements
>> flight control cables
>> Composition A - Carbon steel, zinc, or tin over zinc coated
>> steel cable is stronger and stiffer than corrosion resistant steel
>>
>> MIL-DTL-83420/1 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Composition A.
>> M83420/1-005 Indicates - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Carbon Steel,
>> Construction; 7 x 19, Nominal Diameter 5/32
>>
>> Composition B - Corrosion resistant steel
>> MIL-DTL-83420/2 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Composition B.
>> MIL-DTL-781 - Terminal, Wire Rope Swaging, General Specification for.
>>
>> use this info to find the spec of cable you have
>> the nicopress is usable on either. best to ck spec on swaging
>> the best place I know of for flight control cables is Mcfarlane
>> aviation (USA) also a good source for other "stuff"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>> To: "europa-list@matronics.com" <europa-list@matronics.com> Sent:
>> Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, stainless was developed for yachts, sea water contamination
>> resistant. There isn't much bending in the Europa so no worries about
>> fatigue.
>> Must be the multi strand stuff though, 7X19 springs to mind but
>> anyway it's fine wire strands for flexibility.
>> Graham
>>
>> Also be sure you use the right crimps, plated I think, not plain
>> copper. Get a second opinion, I not as young as I once was!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
>> To: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>;
>> europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2014, 6:04
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Graham,
>> Wish I knew if it was what was supplied by Europa. Ive had the kit
>> too long to know, things have been moved around, and I dont recall
>> the Europa stuff ever being labelled.
>> Maybe someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part is, it looks
>> old even though it mightnt be. It reminds me of a Hills Hoist
>> outside clothes line cable, but I think that is more of an Aussie
>> thing. I actually dont have enough Nicopress sleeves now so Ill
>> need more of those anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff ;-)
>> You normally use Stainless Steel cable by choice dont you??
>> TR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 Mar 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON
>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tony
>>> I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It should be fine
>>> in Oz, so long as you don't go
>>> ocean sailing with it!
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
>>>
>>>
>>> <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Gidday,
>>> I have gone through my fair share of cable, and consequently I have
>>> bits everywhere. I have a roll of cable which appears to be
>>> galvanised, or really dull Stainless Steel, which I believe doesnt
>>> happen. Why have nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best
>>> advice I have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The
>>> unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive to the
>>> magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but still is drawn
>>> towards the magnet on a really long suspended run, like the length in
>> the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away, but it still
>> attracts it. So, this other roll I can only imagine might have been
>> that supplied by Europa, and I wouldnt know because this roll has no
>> product code or numbers on it.
>>> My question, whilst Id prefer to use Stainless just because it
>>> doesnt look like it has been in the aircraft for a million years,
>>> however the gal cable (or whatever it is) I am told is more durable
>>> especially in terms of bends. This is a conservative approach from
>>> gliders where control cabling can have acute bends, but we dont
>>> have that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my waste
>>> bin and use it, or should I replace it with Stainless Steel?
>>> Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the help Ive
>>> got with this sofar.
>>> Regards
>>> Tony Renshawhttp://forums.matronics.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>>>
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Hey tony is this what you mean?
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/10665-Bigfoot.pdf
It's on the europa club site mod number 10665
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419695#419695
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