---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/05/14: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:37 AM - Re: Re: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono? (Max Cointe (Free)) 2. 01:19 AM - AW: instrument module wider than firewall - what to do? (A. Buess Aviatik) 3. 02:51 AM - Europa glider tug (flyingphil2) 4. 05:30 AM - Re: instrument module wider than firewall - what to do? (Paul McAllister) 5. 05:35 AM - Re: Europa glider tug (Paul McAllister) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:47 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe (Free)" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono? I had unfortunately to fly with the passenger door off as it departed the ship due to the passenger shocking the lock with his elbow=85 Kind of =93depressurization=94, all the papers flown in the cockpit with a big noise and buffeting like in a storm on a boat! My first reaction was to fly the ship and then look where to land. As we were fortunately close to our harbor I started to lower the speed and was quite surprised to see that by 80Kt when I put the flaps out it came back to a normal behavior (actually I=92m not even sure if it was =93un-normal=94 reducing from cruise speed except noise and wind inside after it happened or few seconds later)... and I standard landed. So to me under 100 Kt or so, flying with a door off should be a non-even but I wouldn=92t either have to try it again. Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=92A=E9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de David Watts Envoy=E9 : mercredi 5 mars 2014 07:13 =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : RE: Europa-List: Re: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono? With just the passenger door off. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: 04 March 2014 13:53 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono? On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:09 AM, David Watts wrote: I have in fact flown with the door off my Europa for a photographic sortie, David=85was this done with only ONE door off, or both doors off? for some unknown reason, when we were on final approach I put my hand up on the windscreen surround where the door would normally shut, and it suddenly all went peaceful (maybe there is an airflow problem that can be overcome in a similar way that car sunroofs often have a pop up deflector that activates when the roof is open). =85so with some sort of =93pop up deflector=94, might we be talking about open cockpit ops, leather jackets, and silk scarves to boot in the good ol=92 summertime? F. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:34 AM PST US From: "A. Buess Aviatik" Subject: AW: Europa-List: instrument module wider than firewall - what to do? Hello Rowland, I had the same problem as you. Added a new flange inside, same solution as Fred mentioned in his reply. It works well. Regards, Alfred Alfred Buess CH-3700 Spiez, Switzerland Europa XS HB-YKI, Ercoupe 415-E N94804 -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Rowland Carson Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Mrz 2014 20:03 An: Europa e-mail list list Betreff: Europa-List: instrument module wider than firewall - what to do? --> I was just offering up the instrument module to the firewall (before the top gets bonded on) and the flanges of the IM protrude beyond the edges of the firewall. The way things are stored at present prevents me from easily checking if the IM will fit within the shape of the upper fuselage at the firewall. If it doesn't, it appears that the flanges of the IM will have to be cut back so much that there will scarcely be enough meat left for the fixings. Has anyone else had this problem? Have I been issued with a mis-matched instrument module & fuselage moulding? Any observations welcome. in friendship Rowland ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europa glider tug From: "flyingphil2" Further to an earlier posting, does anyone have any information or photos of the Europa being used as a glider tug in Germany? It struck me at the last LAA rally that pretty much anything with wings and a 912S was being promoted as a glider tug and trying to tap into the Eurofox success. I'm guessing that cooling could be a big issue on the Europa though? Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419812#419812 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:01 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: instrument module wider than firewall - what to do? Hi Rowland, I did something similar to what Fred did. Take a look at http://www.europa.net.nz/363/2001/images/flange_in_instrument_panel.jpg Cheers, Paul From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: instrument module wider than firewall - what to do? On Mar 4, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Rowland Carson > wrote: Have I been issued with a mis-matched instrument module & fuselage moulding? Rowland.I would tend to doubt that; however, I found that the exterior flange, when trimmed to allow the insertion of the instrument panel module into the fuselage, was insufficient. Consequently, I mounted an inside flange which allowed me to use shock mount bolts which provide a 1/2" space between module and firewall, useful for both vibration isolation as well as providing a means of cooling air circulation.a couple of the shock mounts are visible thru my initial cut-out for my instrument sub-panels.Good luck, Fred ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa glider tug From: Paul McAllister Phil I believe that Erich Trombley visited with Walter Binder in Germany a couple of years back. He might have some pictures. 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