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1. 12:10 AM - Re: Fw: Re: XS Fuel Tank (Michel AUVRAY)
2. 02:15 AM - Re: Fw: Re: XS Fuel Tank (bill)
3. 02:44 AM - Re: XS Fuel Tank (Tim Ward)
4. 04:54 AM - Re: recommended oil change intervals, exclusive MOGAS (h&jeuropa)
5. 06:35 AM - Re: Firewall pass throughs - fuel lines (William Daniell)
6. 07:07 AM - Damping grease definitive answer (William Daniell)
7. 08:05 AM - Re: Firewall pass throughs - fuel lines (Fred Klein)
8. 08:07 AM - Re: XS Fuel Tank (Fred Klein)
9. 08:19 AM - Re: Damping grease definitive answer (Brian Davies)
10. 10:44 AM - Re: Firewall pass throughs - fuel lines (David Joyce)
11. 11:13 AM - Looking to purchase a Europa Mono Wheel (John Archer)
12. 12:01 PM - Fw: Europa Mono Classic for sale (Frank Mycroft)
13. 12:14 PM - Re: Nose wheel grease (Bud Yerly)
14. 01:48 PM - Re: XS Fuel Tank (pestar)
15. 02:20 PM - Warbirds over Wanaka (Chris Cameron)
16. 03:54 PM - Re: Warbirds over Wanaka (Tim Ward)
17. 04:01 PM - Re: Firewall pass throughs - fuel lines (Fred Klein)
18. 04:26 PM - Re: Firewall pass throughs - fuel lines (David Joyce)
19. 04:50 PM - Wanaka (Gavin Lee)
20. 05:44 PM - Re: Warbirds over Wanaka (Tony Renshaw)
21. 06:11 PM - Re: XS Fuel Tank (Kevin Klinefelter)
22. 06:14 PM - Re: Warbirds over Wanaka (pestar)
23. 06:18 PM - Re: Wanaka (Kevin Klinefelter)
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| Subject: | Re: XS Fuel Tank |
Hi Sue and Bill,
It is nice job
What is the price?
Michel AUVRAY
Builder 145
550 hours flight
Le 21/03/2014 04:45, bill a crit :
>
>
> Sue and Bill Sisley
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Fuel Tank
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:35:46 +1300
> From: bill <bill.sue@orcon.net.nz>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
>
> A very happy day as ZK CHV is now back in the air complete with a new
> aluminium fuel tank.
>
> After much deliberation I settled on 2mm aluminium to a design that
> eliminated all the complexity of the plastic tank but increased the
> volume to 85Ltrs. The structure was formed by a continuous fold from
> the rear bottom and over the top to front bottom. The sides and bottom
> are one fold each side and one piece tunnel all flange welded for
> strength with cut-outs and inserts to clear controls.
> I made the tank narrower that the previous to allow it to drop
> straight in without having to stretch the fuselage and 100mm taller
> for extra volume. No internal baffles were required as the tunnel and
> cut-outs provided sufficient rigidity.
> The outlets and breather are all AN fitings with provision for
> separate water drains and fuel outlets left and right and the fuel
> return back to the inside of the starboard tunnel.
>
> The tank sits free with the bottom rear of the tank sitting on a
> flange off the rear wall of the cockpit module and the front sitting
> on a full width flange off the front wall (seat-back) of the module. A
> rubber pad is glued to the tank at all contact points preventing
> chaffing. The original spacers are retained to prevent fore-aft movement.
>
> I raised the sides of the cockpit module to just level of the door
> sills and continued the same angle for the head rests so they are now
> slightly further to the rear.
>
> Fuel is measured with a capacitance probe calibrated in 1 litre
> increments.
> Reserve fuel on the starboard side is 14 litres.
>
> Some pics attached.
>
> Sue and Bill Sisley
> On 12/11/2013 10:38 p.m., nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
>> Hi Bill
>> If you are serious about constructing your own alloy tank, here are
>> some of the issues that I considered carefully before embarking on
>> what turned out to be a lengthy project.
>>
>> Capacity
>> If you want to maximise capacity, the tank shape will be complex to
>> take advantage of the available space. I went "full span" and put
>> seamless tubes through to accommodate pitch control and rudder
>> cables. Since you have sawed off the top of your cockpit module,
>> there is now room to extend the tank vertically up by about 100 mm
>> (to the door sill), this should give you an extra 18 litres. Restore
>> the strength of the CM joint using standard "good composite practice".
>> This should not compromise the seating or baggage-bay access.
>>
>> Mounting
>> The tank cannot sit on the bottom of the fuselage but should be
>> clear. Incorporate supporting brackets to spread the (considerable)
>> load to the front and rear of the cockpit module (seat back). Design
>> in some method of allowing the tank to expand and contract - sitting
>> it on a rubber or cork mat for instance.
>>
>> Breathing
>> Use considerably larger breathers than were originally fitted - to
>> prevent pressure build-up and blow-back while filling. If possible
>> use two, one on each side of the tank. I routed mine up and then
>> down, venting under the fuselage, to prevent siphoning or fuel
>> dumping in the event that the aircraft ever flipped over.
>>
>> Fuel Return
>> I pondered the ideal configuration for the fuel return line
>> (discussed ad-nauseum since!) and opted to return it to the top of
>> the tank. A vertical cross-drilled pipe inside the tank allows the
>> fuel to dribble down without vapourising or having to contend with
>> the back-pressure of a full tank.
>>
>> Fuel Level Monitoring.
>> There are now far more options available to accurately monitor the
>> fuel contents. Capacitance level sensors work well but are sensitive
>> to fuel type, if you only ever use one type of fuel, this won't be an
>> issue. They can be used with a "lookup table" to linearize the
>> readout giving an accurate indication of fuel contents. Float switch
>> stacks are the next option, (as supplied by Europa) they are reliable
>> and not fuel sensitive but give a non-linear indication. I opted for
>> the former but included four optical sensors to give an independent
>> indication of fuel contents at "Full", 2/3 1/3 and "Reserve" and
>> chose to delete the standard "stand pipe", which, without any method
>> of isolating, I considered a safety risk.
>>
>> Maintenance
>> Now is a good time to include an inspection hatch. Machine a large
>> diameter "weld-in" ring with matching cover, tapped for at least six
>> bolts. Include a groove to accept a Viton "O" ring to seal the joint.
>> This cover also makes an ideal mount for the fuel level sender.
>>
>> Good luck and keep us informed of progress.
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2013 22:43, bill wrote:
>>> Thank you Nigel,
>>>
>>> Having got the top off now I can see that the leak is at the shelf
>>> on the front of the tank where it sits on the mount. It appears that
>>> the fibreglass had bonded to the tank and with movement caused a
>>> fracture due to the stress. Having looked at the tank now which is
>>> very deformed and reducing capacity, I am sure a "metal" one will be
>>> much superior. Fortunately there are some very good craftsman around
>>> here so fabrication will not be a problem. Not sure we will get to
>>> the same volume as you have but will certainly look for more than I
>>> have now. Will send some pic,s when all done.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Sue and Bill Sisley
>>> On 12/11/2013 8:55 a.m., nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
>>>> Hello Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I'm a bit late getting back on this one but as others have said, I
>>>> built a tank out of 5251 quarter-hard magnesium alloy.
>>>> It weighs 7850 grams and has a capacity of 110 litres.
>>>> I incorporated internal baffles, and breathers with proper AN
>>>> fittings to accommodate alloy pipework. It is also fitted with a
>>>> full length capacitive probe and four solid-state optical fuel
>>>> level sensors.
>>>> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=28719
>>>>
>>>> The only advice I would offer is: allow yourself a long time to make and perfect
your cardboard templates - the fuselage is partly conical in section so
the development will be an interesting shape. Choose a welder based on his ability
to weld alloy and don't fall into the trap I did of restricting yourself
to a CAA approved welder whose self-belief exceeded his ability!
>>>>
>>>> Nigel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08/11/2013 21:37, bill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> After 1100hrs I have suffered a failed fuel tank on my XS Mono.
>>>>> Not sure exactly where the fault is other than it is high up on
>>>>> the tank. Will know more when I get it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question to the forum is, has anyone tried fabricating a metal
>>>>> (aluminium) tank rather than using the Polyethylene plastic one as
>>>>> supplied with the kit. If so, were you able to obtain the same
>>>>> volume and any other advice you may be able to offer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>> XS Mono
>>>>> Kit 456
>>>>> 914 and Airmaster
>>>>> 1100hrs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sue and Bill Sisley
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XS Fuel Tank |
The cost for the fabrication of the tank was $1230 NZ .
Finished weight about a Kilo more than the plastic tank.
Rgds
Sue and Bill Sisley
On 21/03/2014 8:08 p.m., Michel AUVRAY wrote:
> Hi Sue and Bill,
> It is nice job
> What is the price?
>
> Michel AUVRAY
> Builder 145
> 550 hours flight
>
>
> Le 21/03/2014 04:45, bill a crit :
>>
>>
>> Sue and Bill Sisley
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Fuel Tank
>> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:35:46 +1300
>> From: bill <bill.sue@orcon.net.nz>
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>> A very happy day as ZK CHV is now back in the air complete with a new
>> aluminium fuel tank.
>>
>> After much deliberation I settled on 2mm aluminium to a design that
>> eliminated all the complexity of the plastic tank but increased the
>> volume to 85Ltrs. The structure was formed by a continuous fold from
>> the rear bottom and over the top to front bottom. The sides and
>> bottom are one fold each side and one piece tunnel all flange
>> welded for strength with cut-outs and inserts to clear controls.
>> I made the tank narrower that the previous to allow it to drop
>> straight in without having to stretch the fuselage and 100mm taller
>> for extra volume. No internal baffles were required as the tunnel and
>> cut-outs provided sufficient rigidity.
>> The outlets and breather are all AN fitings with provision for
>> separate water drains and fuel outlets left and right and the fuel
>> return back to the inside of the starboard tunnel.
>>
>> The tank sits free with the bottom rear of the tank sitting on a
>> flange off the rear wall of the cockpit module and the front sitting
>> on a full width flange off the front wall (seat-back) of the module.
>> A rubber pad is glued to the tank at all contact points preventing
>> chaffing. The original spacers are retained to prevent fore-aft movement.
>>
>> I raised the sides of the cockpit module to just level of the door
>> sills and continued the same angle for the head rests so they are now
>> slightly further to the rear.
>>
>> Fuel is measured with a capacitance probe calibrated in 1 litre
>> increments.
>> Reserve fuel on the starboard side is 14 litres.
>>
>> Some pics attached.
>>
>> Sue and Bill Sisley
>> On 12/11/2013 10:38 p.m., nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
>>> Hi Bill
>>> If you are serious about constructing your own alloy tank, here are
>>> some of the issues that I considered carefully before embarking on
>>> what turned out to be a lengthy project.
>>>
>>> Capacity
>>> If you want to maximise capacity, the tank shape will be complex to
>>> take advantage of the available space. I went "full span" and put
>>> seamless tubes through to accommodate pitch control and rudder
>>> cables. Since you have sawed off the top of your cockpit module,
>>> there is now room to extend the tank vertically up by about 100 mm
>>> (to the door sill), this should give you an extra 18 litres. Restore
>>> the strength of the CM joint using standard "good composite practice".
>>> This should not compromise the seating or baggage-bay access.
>>>
>>> Mounting
>>> The tank cannot sit on the bottom of the fuselage but should be
>>> clear. Incorporate supporting brackets to spread the (considerable)
>>> load to the front and rear of the cockpit module (seat back). Design
>>> in some method of allowing the tank to expand and contract - sitting
>>> it on a rubber or cork mat for instance.
>>>
>>> Breathing
>>> Use considerably larger breathers than were originally fitted - to
>>> prevent pressure build-up and blow-back while filling. If possible
>>> use two, one on each side of the tank. I routed mine up and then
>>> down, venting under the fuselage, to prevent siphoning or fuel
>>> dumping in the event that the aircraft ever flipped over.
>>>
>>> Fuel Return
>>> I pondered the ideal configuration for the fuel return line
>>> (discussed ad-nauseum since!) and opted to return it to the top of
>>> the tank. A vertical cross-drilled pipe inside the tank allows the
>>> fuel to dribble down without vapourising or having to contend with
>>> the back-pressure of a full tank.
>>>
>>> Fuel Level Monitoring.
>>> There are now far more options available to accurately monitor the
>>> fuel contents. Capacitance level sensors work well but are sensitive
>>> to fuel type, if you only ever use one type of fuel, this won't be
>>> an issue. They can be used with a "lookup table" to linearize the
>>> readout giving an accurate indication of fuel contents. Float switch
>>> stacks are the next option, (as supplied by Europa) they are
>>> reliable and not fuel sensitive but give a non-linear indication. I
>>> opted for the former but included four optical sensors to give an
>>> independent indication of fuel contents at "Full", 2/3 1/3 and
>>> "Reserve" and chose to delete the standard "stand pipe", which,
>>> without any method of isolating, I considered a safety risk.
>>>
>>> Maintenance
>>> Now is a good time to include an inspection hatch. Machine a large
>>> diameter "weld-in" ring with matching cover, tapped for at least six
>>> bolts. Include a groove to accept a Viton "O" ring to seal the
>>> joint. This cover also makes an ideal mount for the fuel level sender.
>>>
>>> Good luck and keep us informed of progress.
>>>
>>> Nigel
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2013 22:43, bill wrote:
>>>> Thank you Nigel,
>>>>
>>>> Having got the top off now I can see that the leak is at the shelf
>>>> on the front of the tank where it sits on the mount. It appears
>>>> that the fibreglass had bonded to the tank and with movement caused
>>>> a fracture due to the stress. Having looked at the tank now which
>>>> is very deformed and reducing capacity, I am sure a "metal" one
>>>> will be much superior. Fortunately there are some very good
>>>> craftsman around here so fabrication will not be a problem. Not
>>>> sure we will get to the same volume as you have but will certainly
>>>> look for more than I have now. Will send some pic,s when all done.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Sue and Bill Sisley
>>>> On 12/11/2013 8:55 a.m., nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> Hello Bill,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a bit late getting back on this one but as others have said, I
>>>>> built a tank out of 5251 quarter-hard magnesium alloy.
>>>>> It weighs 7850 grams and has a capacity of 110 litres.
>>>>> I incorporated internal baffles, and breathers with proper AN
>>>>> fittings to accommodate alloy pipework. It is also fitted with a
>>>>> full length capacitive probe and four solid-state optical fuel
>>>>> level sensors.
>>>>> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=28719
>>>>>
>>>>> The only advice I would offer is: allow yourself a long time to make and
perfect your cardboard templates - the fuselage is partly conical in section so
the development will be an interesting shape. Choose a welder based on his ability
to weld alloy and don't fall into the trap I did of restricting yourself
to a CAA approved welder whose self-belief exceeded his ability!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nigel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/11/2013 21:37, bill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After 1100hrs I have suffered a failed fuel tank on my XS Mono.
>>>>>> Not sure exactly where the fault is other than it is high up on
>>>>>> the tank. Will know more when I get it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question to the forum is, has anyone tried fabricating a metal
>>>>>> (aluminium) tank rather than using the Polyethylene plastic one
>>>>>> as supplied with the kit. If so, were you able to obtain the same
>>>>>> volume and any other advice you may be able to offer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>> XS Mono
>>>>>> Kit 456
>>>>>> 914 and Airmaster
>>>>>> 1100hrs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sue and Bill Sisley
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>
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| Subject: | Re: XS Fuel Tank |
Well done Bill, great alternative and well thought out.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
> On 21/03/2014, at 10:14 pm, bill <bill.sue@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>
> The cost for the fabrication of the tank was $1230 NZ .
>
> Finished weight about a Kilo more than the plastic tank.
>
> Rgds
> Sue and Bill Sisley
>> On 21/03/2014 8:08 p.m., Michel AUVRAY wrote:
>> Hi Sue and Bill,
>> It is nice job
>> What is the price?
>>
>> Michel AUVRAY
>> Builder 145
>> 550 hours flight
>>
>>
>> Le 21/03/2014 04:45, bill a =C3=A9crit :
>>>
>>>
>>> Sue and Bill Sisley
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Fuel Tank
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:35:46 +1300
>>> From: bill <bill.sue@orcon.net.nz>
>>> Reply-To: bill.sue@orcon.net.nz
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>>
>>> A very happy day as ZK CHV is now back in the air complete with a new al
uminium fuel tank.
>>>
>>> After much deliberation I settled on 2mm aluminium to a design that elim
inated all the complexity of the plastic tank but increased the volume to 85
Ltrs. The structure was formed by a continuous fold from the rear bottom and
over the top to front bottom. The sides and bottom are one fold each side a
nd one piece tunnel all flange welded for strength with cut-outs and insert
s to clear controls.
>>> I made the tank narrower that the previous to allow it to drop straight i
n without having to stretch the fuselage and 100mm taller for extra volume. N
o internal baffles were required as the tunnel and cut-outs provided suffic
ient rigidity.
>>> The outlets and breather are all AN fitings with provision for separate w
ater drains and fuel outlets left and right and the fuel return back to the i
nside of the starboard tunnel.
>>>
>>> The tank sits free with the bottom rear of the tank sitting on a flange o
ff the rear wall of the cockpit module and the front sitting on a full width
flange off the front wall (seat-back) of the module. A rubber pad is glued t
o the tank at all contact points preventing chaffing. The original spacers a
re retained to prevent fore-aft movement.
>>>
>>> I raised the sides of the cockpit module to just level of the door sills
and continued the same angle for the head rests so they are now slightly fu
rther to the rear.
>>>
>>> Fuel is measured with a capacitance probe calibrated in 1 litre incremen
ts.
>>> Reserve fuel on the starboard side is 14 litres.
>>>
>>> Some pics attached.
>>>
>>> Sue and Bill Sisley
>>>> On 12/11/2013 10:38 p.m., nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
>>>> Hi Bill
>>>> If you are serious about constructing your own alloy tank, here are som
e of the issues that I considered carefully before embarking on what turned o
ut to be a lengthy project.
>>>>
>>>> Capacity
>>>> If you want to maximise capacity, the tank shape will be complex to tak
e advantage of the available space. I went "full span" and put seamless tub
es through to accommodate pitch control and rudder cables. Since you have sa
wed off the top of your cockpit module, there is now room to extend the tank
vertically up by about 100 mm (to the door sill), this should give you an e
xtra 18 litres. Restore the strength of the CM joint using standard "good co
mposite practice".
>>>> This should not compromise the seating or baggage-bay access.
>>>>
>>>> Mounting
>>>> The tank cannot sit on the bottom of the fuselage but should be clear. I
ncorporate supporting brackets to spread the (considerable) load to the fron
t and rear of the cockpit module (seat back). Design in some method of allow
ing the tank to expand and contract - sitting it on a rubber or cork mat for
instance.
>>>>
>>>> Breathing
>>>> Use considerably larger breathers than were originally fitted - to prev
ent pressure build-up and blow-back while filling. If possible use two, one o
n each side of the tank. I routed mine up and then down, venting under the f
uselage, to prevent siphoning or fuel dumping in the event that the aircraft
ever flipped over.
>>>>
>>>> Fuel Return
>>>> I pondered the ideal configuration for the fuel return line (discussed a
d-nauseum since!) and opted to return it to the top of the tank. A vertical
cross-drilled pipe inside the tank allows the fuel to dribble down without v
apourising or having to contend with the back-pressure of a full tank.
>>>>
>>>> Fuel Level Monitoring.
>>>> There are now far more options available to accurately monitor the fuel
contents. Capacitance level sensors work well but are sensitive to fuel typ
e, if you only ever use one type of fuel, this won't be an issue. They can b
e used with a "lookup table" to linearize the readout giving an accurate ind
ication of fuel contents. Float switch stacks are the next option, (as suppl
ied by Europa) they are reliable and not fuel sensitive but give a non-linea
r indication. I opted for the former but included four optical sensors to gi
ve an independent indication of fuel contents at "Full", 2/3 1/3 and "Reserv
e" and chose to delete the standard "stand pipe", which, without any method o
f isolating, I considered a safety risk.
>>>>
>>>> Maintenance
>>>> Now is a good time to include an inspection hatch. Machine a large diam
eter "weld-in" ring with matching cover, tapped for at least six bolts. Incl
ude a groove to accept a Viton "O" ring to seal the joint. This cover also m
akes an ideal mount for the fuel level sender.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck and keep us informed of progress.
>>>>
>>>> Nigel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/11/2013 22:43, bill wrote:
>>>>> Thank you Nigel,
>>>>>
>>>>> Having got the top off now I can see that the leak is at the shelf on t
he front of the tank where it sits on the mount. It appears that the fibregl
ass had bonded to the tank and with movement caused a fracture due to the st
ress. Having looked at the tank now which is very deformed and reducing capa
city, I am sure a "metal" one will be much superior. Fortunately there are s
ome very good craftsman around here so fabrication will not be a problem. No
t sure we will get to the same volume as you have but will certainly look fo
r more than I have now. Will send some pic,s when all done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Sue and Bill Sisley
>>>>>> On 12/11/2013 8:55 a.m., nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a bit late getting back on this one but as others have said, I bu
ilt a tank out of 5251 quarter-hard magnesium alloy.
>>>>>> It weighs 7850 grams and has a capacity of 110 litres.
>>>>>> I incorporated internal baffles, and breathers with proper AN fitting
s to accommodate alloy pipework. It is also fitted with a full length capaci
tive probe and four solid-state optical fuel level sensors.
>>>>>> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=28719
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only advice I would offer is: allow yourself a long time to make a
nd perfect your cardboard templates - the fuselage is partly conical in sect
ion so the development will be an interesting shape. Choose a welder based o
n his ability to weld alloy and don't fall into the trap I did of restrictin
g yourself to a CAA approved welder whose self-belief exceeded his ability!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nigel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/11/2013 21:37, bill wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After 1100hrs I have suffered a failed fuel tank on my XS Mono. Not s
ure exactly where the fault is other than it is high up on the tank. Will kn
ow more when I get it out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My question to the forum is, has anyone tried fabricating a metal (a
luminium) tank rather than using the Polyethylene plastic one as supplied wi
th the kit. If so, were you able to obtain the same volume and any other adv
ice you may be able to offer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>>> XS Mono
>>>>>>> Kit 456
>>>>>>> 914 and Airmaster
>>>>>>> 1100hrs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sue and Bill Sisley
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: recommended oil change intervals, exclusive MOGAS |
Hi Ira,
We use Blackstone Labs and they have some accumulated data on Rotax engines. They
provide a narrative based on their experience. So we watch trends and read
their suggestions.
Jim & Heather
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420711#420711
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall pass throughs - fuel lines |
Fred thanks
I guess I was hoping for a straight connection without the fittings...but
that looks really neat.
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
>
> On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:09 AM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> What about the fuel lines? How have the group passed these through the
> firewall?
>
>
> Will...I too used automobile injection hose aft...here's how I penetrated the
> firewall and transitioned to SS jacketed flex hose forward...Good luck, Fred
>
>
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| Subject: | Damping grease definitive answer |
here is the definitive answer for the damping grease from a very helpful
chap called Tom Madden
Hi Will,
I just heard back from Nye's Technical Support Department. They stated
that the 767A is only good down to 0 degrees c. They are recommending what
is being used on Boeing's landing gear, Rheolube 374A. Attached is the
Technical Data Sheet and MSDS for your review. The price is as follows.
50 gram tube: $34.95
100 gram tube: $49.95
500 gram jar: $89.95
There is no minimum order. Lead time is 5 to 10 business days for the
tubes. I currently have the 500 gram jars in stock and can ship when
ordered. We accept Visa/MasterCard.
If you have any other questions before ordering, please feel free to
contact me. I look forward to doing business.
Regards,
Tom Madden
TAI Lubricants
PO Box 1579
Hockessin, DE 19707
USA
(302) 326-0200
(302) 326-0400 fax
nyoil@aol.com
www.lubekits.com
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall pass throughs - fuel lines |
On Mar 21, 2014, at 6:32 AM, William Daniell
<wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess I was hoping for a straight connection without the
fittings...but that looks really neat.
Will=85bear in mind that mine is for a non-Rotax engine installation=85the
90 degree fittings worked best.
Note that the fittings are aluminum Aeroquip=85I=92ve received a comment
from one lister cautioning me against using aluminum fittings FWF on all
fuel and oil lines, recommending brass (at the least) and preferably
steel.
Such a practice was news to me=85additional comments welcome and
invited.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: XS Fuel Tank |
On Mar 20, 2014, at 8:45 PM, bill <bill.sue@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
> A very happy day as ZK CHV is now back in the air complete with a new
aluminium fuel tank.
Bill...Wow=85well thought out and outstanding workmanship=85I=92d love
to see some additional in-process photos of the installation in the
airframe.
Fred
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| Subject: | Damping grease definitive answer |
Will,
I think there has been a misunderstanding here. The Rheolube 374A is, I
think, a high spec. multipurpose lubricating grease, not a damping grease.
Nye do a damping grease that will work at lower temps if you are worried
about that aspect. The 868 range or 774 range will give you this
characteristic.
Regards
Brian Davies
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 21 March 2014 14:06
Subject: Europa-List: Damping grease definitive answer
here is the definitive answer for the damping grease from a very helpful
chap called Tom Madden
Hi Will,
I just heard back from Nye's Technical Support Department. They stated that
the 767A is only good down to 0 degrees c. They are recommending what is
being used on Boeing's landing gear, Rheolube 374A. Attached is the
Technical Data Sheet and MSDS for your review. The price is as follows.
50 gram tube: $34.95
100 gram tube: $49.95
500 gram jar: $89.95
There is no minimum order. Lead time is 5 to 10 business days for the
tubes. I currently have the 500 gram jars in stock and can ship when
ordered. We accept Visa/MasterCard.
If you have any other questions before ordering, please feel free to contact
me. I look forward to doing business.
Regards,
Tom Madden
TAI Lubricants
PO Box 1579
Hockessin, DE 19707
USA
(302) 326-0200
(302) 326-0400 fax
nyoil@aol.com
www.lubekits.com <http://www.lubekits.com/>
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall pass throughs - fuel lines |
Fred, Any sort of fitting adds weight and leakage
possibility. Going straight through the firewall with the
hoses immobilised on both sides, with the passage sealed
by silicone adds nil weight ,no leakage possibility and
works in the sense that having already replaced hoses
twice on a five year life basis, the pipes showed no sign
of chafing wear. Why complicate things?
Regards, David.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 08:01:29 -0700
Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
>
> On Mar 21, 2014, at 6:32 AM, William Daniell
><wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I guess I was hoping for a straight connection without
>>the fittings...but that looks really neat.
>
> Willbear in mind that mine is for a non-Rotax engine
>installationthe 90 degree fittings worked best.
>
> Note that the fittings are aluminum AeroquipIve
>received a comment from one lister cautioning me against
>using aluminum fittings FWF on all fuel and oil lines,
>recommending brass (at the least) and preferably steel.
>
> Such a practice was news to meadditional comments
>welcome and invited.
>
>Fred
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| Subject: | Looking to purchase a Europa Mono Wheel |
Hello,
I am looking for a Europa Mono Wheel in good condition.
It must be registered in France as importing kits built outside the country is
not allowed.
I look forward to hearing from you.
John Archer
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| Subject: | Fw: Europa Mono Classic for sale |
Subject: Europa Mono Classic for sale
I am selling my Europa Mono Classic If you would like to have
particulars please e-mail me. It is hangared in Devon and has a damaged
propeller and is not presently flyable although the engine can be run
using an old propellor with the damaged part cut off.
Frank Mycroft
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| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel grease |
Christoph,
I have used the heavy and medium Nye grease 868VH down to 868 as well as
the 774. In very cold climates I would use the 868 or 774L or light
grease. I also have put a smear of Slipit on the aluminum (a
woodworkers product) and if used sparingly, they all work. So does a
bit of patience and just a good clean machined flat on the gear leg.
Hangup of the gear as it turns is due to the lack of a straight pivot
pin on the fork. If it leans forward it makes taxiing straight a jog to
the left and right rather than smooth centerline tracking. A touch of
Nye or slipit on the metal gear leg works fine.
I warn my customers never to use the grease dzerk on the front of the
gear. Most folks are heavy handed and blow grease out the top and lower
seal. Now you have no nose gear dampening.
On the annual, undo the nut to just on by a thread, lower the tail down
and and secure with weight on the tie down or by the stab tubes and pull
the nose fork off and hand lube the bearing, check the seal, clean and
inspect. Inspect for uneven wear of the plastic disk. Check the one
inch pin for security and alignment. Repair / Replace as necessary.
While you have the fork off, do the wheel bearings at the same time.
Tighten the nut to give 16 pounds or so with Nye type grease film on the
leg and do a taxi test. Tighten the nut until the gear is a bit hard to
break then back off one face. Go fly and test. Land and hold off the
nose until 40, and let it down. If shimmy occurs, push forward and
brake hard, and tighten one flat.
Nye grease is quite good and sticky, but you must test for shimmy and
disk compatability. You use so little, that personally, any stiff
grease will do. I do not use silicones or lithium greases, only
flurocarbon or silica thickened like Nye, Nyogel H, the spec is 774 or
868 which comes in small tubes for about 14 pounds or $20 US. See
newgate on line or Specialty Chemicals... The aircraft kit manufacturer
though has no comment on which is better, and neither do I.
Remember, prolonged grease contact with plastic,(like the disk) may
cause the disk to distort, soften (more common) and fail. That is why
you want to go with the spec of 774 (the seven series) which is used
with plastic gears and such and so far hasn't caused any problems. I
have a spare disk though in my parts bag in the shop, just in case....
Check with the factory for changes.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
CFC, Inc.
----- Original Message -----
From: Christoph Both<mailto:christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nose wheel grease
I need to check next time I am in the hangar, but I think this sounds
about right. Bud, can you chime in?
Thanks,
Christoph
From: William Daniell
<wdaniell.longport@gmail.com<mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>>
"europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>"
<europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
Date: Wednesday, 19 March, 2014 1:58 PM
To: "europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>"
<europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nose wheel grease
Excellent thanks...I assume it is the heavy damping grease
nyogel-767a?
yours
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Christoph Both
<christoph.both@acadiau.ca<mailto:christoph.both@acadiau.ca>> wrote:
Try this source:
http://www.newgateonline.com/manufacturers/nye-lubricants.html<http://www
.newgateonline.com/manufacturers/nye-lubricants.html>
Christoph
From: William Daniell
<wdaniell.longport@gmail.com<mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>>
"europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>"
<europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
Date: Tuesday, 11 March, 2014 9:08 AM
To: "europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>"
<europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nose wheel grease
Guys
which is the NYE product to buy? And where do you get it from in
the USA?
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744<tel:%2B57%20310%20295%200744>
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| Subject: | Re: XS Fuel Tank |
Look forward to seeing you for a coffee at some remote location (with NZ of course!!!!)
soon.
Cheers and well done
Peter
--------
Peter Armstrong
Auckland, New Zealand
DynAero MCR-4S (Do not shoot me :) ).
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| Subject: | Warbirds over Wanaka |
Are any kiwi Europa owners going to be at Wanaka or Queenstown at Easter?
No-one in the family (apart from me, of course) has seen a completed/flying aircraft
and it would be great to meet up with someone who could show them what the
finished plane will look like!
Cheers
Chris
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Warbirds over Wanaka |
Chris,
Unfortunately doing a Dreamliner Course so Wanaka is out for me.
If I am passing Wellington/Paraparamu some day will drop.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
> On 22/03/2014, at 10:19 am, Chris Cameron <chris@cameron.org.nz> wrote:
>
>
> Are any kiwi Europa owners going to be at Wanaka or Queenstown at Easter?
>
> No-one in the family (apart from me, of course) has seen a completed/flying aircraft
and it would be great to meet up with someone who could show them what
the finished plane will look like!
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall pass throughs - fuel lines |
On Mar 21, 2014, at 10:43 AM, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
wrote:
> Any sort of fitting adds weight and leakage possibility. Going
straight through the firewall with the hoses immobilised on both sides,
with the passage sealed by silicone adds nil weight ,no leakage
possibility and works in the sense that having already replaced hoses
twice on a five year life basis, the pipes showed no sign of chafing
wear. Why complicate things?
David,
Thanks for the description of your installation as well as your report
of trouble-free operation over a ten year period=85yours is simplicity
itself, and I salute you for it while I also admit to envy of your
accumulating all the hours of airtime which you have while my kit
remains in my workshop.
>> Why complicate things?
I suspect that one person=92s =93complication=94 may be another=92s
sense of =93proper kit=94, both being subjective assessments for dealing
w/ the task at hand, whatever it may be=85and...a reflection of one=92s
=93comfort zone=94.
In my case, I recall a sense of discomfort at the thought of simply
running a rubber hose w/ fuel under high pressure through the firewall=85I
was also keen on matching the FWF SS jacketed fuel line which my engine
supplier had already used connecting the injector rails=85the firewall
seemed like the logical place for the transition, and the weight of the
aluminum fittings was not a detriment for me.
As my fuel lines are under high pressure for a fuel-injected engine with
the pumps located aft, I paid little attention to the build manual
references to routing of the low pressure fuel lines for the Rotax
engine, relying instead on an old dog-eared copy of an EAA publication,
=93Firewall Forward=94 by Tony Bingelis.
What I=92ve done made perfect sense to me at the time the work was being
done=85
Cheers,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall pass throughs - fuel lines |
Fred, One thing I should have mentioned is that I have the
Singleton firewall mod, which replaces the stainless steel
with a thickish heat resistant fibreglass. That is of
course a whole lot less likely to traumatise a rubber hose
than stainless steel, but if I had the stainless steel
original firewall I would still be tempted to try to make
holes with a turned smooth edge or to get a large grommet
so as to still avoid extra connectors. But that is all
largely irrelevant, I guess with your fuel injected, high
pressure system!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:59:28 -0700
Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
>
> On Mar 21, 2014, at 10:43 AM, David Joyce
><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Any sort of fitting adds weight and leakage possibility.
>>Going straight through the firewall with the hoses
>>immobilised on both sides, with the passage sealed by
>>silicone adds nil weight ,no leakage possibility and
>>works in the sense that having already replaced hoses
>>twice on a five year life basis, the pipes showed no sign
>>of chafing wear. Why complicate things?
>
> David,
>
> Thanks for the description of your installation as well
>as your report of trouble-free operation over a ten year
>periodyours is simplicity itself, and I salute you for
>it while I also admit to envy of your accumulating all
>the hours of airtime which you have while my kit remains
>in my workshop.
>
>>> Why complicate things?
>
> I suspect that one persons complication may be
>anothers sense of proper kit, both being subjective
>assessments for dealing w/ the task at hand, whatever it
>may beand...a reflection of ones comfort zone.
>
> In my case, I recall a sense of discomfort at the
>thought of simply running a rubber hose w/ fuel under
>high pressure through the firewallI was also keen on
>matching the FWF SS jacketed fuel line which my engine
>supplier had already used connecting the injector
>railsthe firewall seemed like the logical place for the
>transition, and the weight of the aluminum fittings was
>not a detriment for me.
>
> As my fuel lines are under high pressure for a
>fuel-injected engine with the pumps located aft, I paid
>little attention to the build manual references to
>routing of the low pressure fuel lines for the Rotax
>engine, relying instead on an old dog-eared copy of an
>EAA publication, Firewall Forward by Tony Bingelis.
>
> What Ive done made perfect sense to me at the time the
>work was being done
>
> Cheers,
>
>Fred
>
>
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Hi Chris
Here's a couple to show them what one looks like, taken on Wednesday at Waih
i Beach
Unfortunately I won't be at Wanaka either
Cheers
Gavin
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| Subject: | Re: Warbirds over Wanaka |
Tim,
Creating envy is not fair ! .Dreamliner course. I dont suppose we can joke about
lithium batteries quite the way we used to.
TR
On 22 Mar 2014, at 9:54 am, Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> Chris,
> Unfortunately doing a Dreamliner Course so Wanaka is out for me.
> If I am passing Wellington/Paraparamu some day will drop.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand.
>
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
> Ph 64 3 3515166
> Mob 0210640221
>
>
>> On 22/03/2014, at 10:19 am, Chris Cameron <chris@cameron.org.nz> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Are any kiwi Europa owners going to be at Wanaka or Queenstown at Easter?
>>
>> No-one in the family (apart from me, of course) has seen a completed/flying
aircraft and it would be great to meet up with someone who could show them what
the finished plane will look like!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XS Fuel Tank |
I agree! Very nice. Love to see more pics.
Kevin
> On Mar 21, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On Mar 20, 2014, at 8:45 PM, bill <bill.sue@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>>
>> A very happy day as ZK CHV is now back in the air complete with a new alu
minium fuel tank.
>
> Bill...Wowwell thought out and outstanding workmanshipI
=99d love to see some additional in-process photos of the installation in
the airframe.
>
> Fred
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warbirds over Wanaka |
Tim can just keep dreaming but I will hold the flag up for the French at Wanaka
!!!!!':D'
--------
Peter Armstrong
Auckland, New Zealand
DynAero MCR-4S (Do not shoot me :) ).
Read this topic online here:
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Nice photos!
Kevin
> On Mar 21, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Gavin Lee <gavanne@iconz.co.nz> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris
> Here's a couple to show them what one looks like, taken on Wednesday at Waihi
Beach
> Unfortunately I won't be at Wanaka either
> Cheers
> Gavin
>
> <photo 1.JPG>
>
>
>
> <photo 2.JPG>
>
>
>
>
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