---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/31/14: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Re: Itching to get to Ireland (Ivor Phillips) 2. 12:53 AM - Re: Itching to get to Ireland (Rowland Carson) 3. 01:42 AM - Re: Belgian airspace (Roland) 4. 03:09 AM - Re: Belgian airspace (Frans Veldman) 5. 06:50 AM - Re: Belgian airspace (David Joyce) 6. 07:53 AM - Re: Itching to get to Ireland (David Joyce) 7. 12:33 PM - Re: Belgian airspace (david park) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Itching to get to Ireland From: Ivor Phillips Newcastle co wicklow, http://www.einc.ie Great place for a visit,usually have a courtesy car if pre booked, but not far to greystones where you can pick up the Dart into Dublin , Another good airfield if it's still open is Weston to the west of Dublin, the VFR route is overhead the city following the river Liffey, but not as easy to get back to the city by public transport, Regards Ivor phillips Sent from my iPad > On 30 Mar 2014, at 21:49, "graeme bird" wrote: > > > Thinking of trips for this year, and must get to Ireland from Beds UK, any recommendations for a day trip, friendly field near something interesting? I gather I need to file a GAR form, and guess I have to land at a designated 'port'. > > Graeme > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY > Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W > Newby: 95 hours 18 months > g(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421304#421304 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Itching to get to Ireland From: Rowland Carson On 30 Mar 2014, at 21:49, graeme bird wrote: > Thinking of trips for this year, and must get to Ireland from Beds UK, any recommendations for a day trip, friendly field near something interesting? I gather I need to file a GAR form, and guess I have to land at a designated 'port'. Graeme - when I went with the 2008 Europa Club trip to Ireland in Tim Houlihan's G-BZTH, Kilrush (EIKH) was friendly although it we found it quicker to get a lift to the nearest petrol station with a jerry-can than wait for the pumps to open! I think Tim has also done a day trip to Kilkenny (EIKK) where he was made welcome. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:26 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Belgian airspace From: "Roland" Irrespective of the permission requirement (most fly without as far as I know) the transition is quite easy, especially when you are in contact with Brussels Information. You can either fly (roughly) via Calais, Kortrijk, between the Brussels and Antwerp CTR below 1500 ft to Venlo/Maastricht (what I did) and you are clear of restricted airspaces. Last weekend we were at Manston and one crew got a DCT from Oostende (over Brussels!) to Aachen EDKA at FL 100. At weekends you can also expect many of the restricted areas to be not active. Nontheless you should be aware of the restricted airspaces and when in doubt ask for clearance. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421336#421336 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:14 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Belgian airspace -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/31/2014 01:12 AM, david park wrote: > Anyone with experience of transiting Belgian airspace? With or > without notification? Lots of experience here. Just coast in to the VOR south of Oostende, fly east of the airfield, and proceed up from there. I cross the Belgian airspace multiple times per year and occasionally even land there, but never have notified or paid anyone for it. The Belgian ATC's are friendly and cooperative. Frans -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTOT0VAAoJEC+zXxqs0ZzVMH4P/RqCWeU1Q/PEykIPow5hjWTQ 6smPVEoCq87DFyLpk6sd48cEMihQ+EDfEzDUT/0B+q3RwxyPgTWBMETQbIsmo7uG I5Gja7eIy43YD4ttSAk1iP5v8LfRGJ2opfll5lvWzl+Q0D/UmlW8ppEwhHTJpgOW O6ldSPYZWy7QihWveaKiAb8ptCi8EnKp26jxy68G8i+jbjSMLWEHCfSupr0v6b1Q dWaaTuQ2ZiNbN6SBPzriI8Ps0/eRrl523t5mc8qz8QpN2oyGh7ndVncrZ5hBPlRu bCnGpDOBCa/49RCjcsREvegv5TcwF9JclI+6uIGeFwDBPQFvKRtPzdeTMSwC56So Y5P15xw9yYSlv4kJPOt9b0o/U8XuFMpOBWpZ3To3nHxnq3/Or04azhSZvqCeayxg bkr/BtOReH6xY98z2OJI1E1FV3EsBmpzxirzuAvSpHFhxJyJDkIkFj2BjygpgKSo xjtmob4Qnv5yVDpIFAYjuj6erUX+uDLk6wokxgp0flR2D8L2YtI2mEeMRgLNWq5g OknlYaCIm1BBb7mAjvFoElAjukY881URRk08bdzyLvW9Pl4cAfXu5H0xIQZFjsCE Mb1o5avjjWQdAL1LvGlxipEwz0vllwYbPHhROh0v2NCC/fx1joSX670kVFg7PFVf JUokNm5cykDOkd+bEunJ =tIRT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:00 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Belgian airspace Dave, I have flown along the Belgian coast at least 20 times with others or solo and there has never been a problem. This infers that ATC quite rightly have no interest in querying whether you have all your paperwork in place and that you will probably get away with it. However if you have an incident the Belgian CAA will come into play and would no doubt hold it against you that you have not asked their permission and paid 88 euros for the privilege. You pays your money (or not!) and takes your choice! Personally having refused to pay the last demand (for a brief visit to Waterloo on a Charity flight) I now avoid Belgian airspace altogether. Regards, David Joyce On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 00:12:54 +0100 david park wrote: > > > > Anyone with experience of transiting Belgian airspace? >With or without notification? > IE. coast hugging up to Netherlands.? > Dave Park G -LDVO > Sent from my iPad > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:48 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Itching to get to Ireland Graeme, I have thoroughly enjoyed visiting Eglinton/Derry. Pleasant people, good restaurant, spectacular coast nearby, Giants Causeway to visit on the way there. Also enjoyed Newtownards for easy access to Belfast. Had looked forward to Weston for trip into Dublin, but weather intervened. Have visited Cork, but do NOT recommend it. (expensive & inconvenient). If you are prepared to make it more than a day I strongly recommend Galway and excursions out to the Arran Islands, looking at Alcock & Brown's landing site, etc. You certainly need a GAR form which needs to go to customs and to Police. The requirements are complex and I suggest looking at: www.gov.uk/government/publications/general-aviation-operators-and-pilots-notification-of-flights where you will find latest regs. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:49:46 -0700 "graeme bird" wrote: > > > Thinking of trips for this year, and must get to Ireland >from Beds UK, any recommendations for a day trip, friendly >field near something interesting? I gather I need to file >a GAR form, and guess I have to land at a designated >'port'. > > Graeme > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY > Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W > Newby: 95 hours 18 months g(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421304#421304 > > > > > > > >Admin. > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:51 PM PST US From: david park Subject: Re: Europa-List: Belgian airspace Thanks Frans, Hoping to go to Borglanda at end of May. Dave Sent from my iPad > On 31 Mar 2014, at 11:01, Frans Veldman wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > >> On 03/31/2014 01:12 AM, david park wrote: >> >> Anyone with experience of transiting Belgian airspace? With or >> without notification? > > Lots of experience here. > Just coast in to the VOR south of Oostende, fly east of the airfield, > and proceed up from there. I cross the Belgian airspace multiple times > per year and occasionally even land there, but never have notified or > paid anyone for it. 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