---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/10/14: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:01 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Space (Bud Yerly) 2. 11:27 AM - odd radio problem (Richard Wheelwright) 3. 11:39 AM - Re: odd radio problem (Rowland Carson) 4. 11:51 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 04/04/14 (Dari Sagar) 5. 11:59 AM - Re: odd radio problem (Richard Wheelwright) 6. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: odd radio problem (Paul McAllister) 7. 01:16 PM - Re: Trigear For Sale anyone? (Alan Carter) 8. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: Trigear For Sale anyone? (Fred Klein) 9. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: Trigear For Sale anyone? (Trevor Pond) 10. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: odd radio problem (Andrew Sarangan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Space From: Bud Yerly Bruno=2C Not a bad idea. In my experience it is not practical. Brakes take up a bit of room. I rem ove the metal firewall and make a new one behind the nose gear leg and clos e the area and add an access panel=2C as has been posted before. I also ad d my own park brake valve setup seen at sun 'n fun. This leaves little spac e. The CG is a bit far forward with fuel forward of your knees also. In a runway departure the nose gear leg has sheared the bolts and entered into the well some six inches so that makes me less than keen on a tank there. On a side note: Once my medical experiment is over=2C I am going to install an 8 gallon tan k above the gear wells right against the tank bulkhead in 12AY. It will be aluminum=2C use a pump=2C a proper vent=2C and fill through a proper cap m oulded into the starboard door frame. My kids are moving just out of range. But my bladder may not be large enou gh to warrant the tank. But I'll build it anyway. It measures about 6" x 8" x 36" nominally. Volume is about 1 cubic foot. (I got the idea from a uto racing tanks with foam and bladders for safety. They are a bit heavy b ut safe for inside the cockpit.) It's anchored to the ply braces so it won 't go anywhere. It will take up baggage room. Jerry Hope thought of a belly slipper tank. Right on the CG. We just didn 't have time. Regards=2C Bud Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID UVTREITH wrote: Hi Family=2C We will change a Classic Monowheel into a Classic TriGear with toe brake system. Now my question: Is it possible and/or already done=2C using the empty spac e from the Tundra Wheel for an secondary fuel tank? Have a nice time and safe flights. Best Regards=2C Bruno Reith ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: odd radio problem From: "Richard Wheelwright" I 'm have an odd radio problem..... the radio seems to lock up for no reason...... I have check the wiring ....... all connections...... I even have a radio on loan from LX Avionice and that does the same ????? I'm now thinking It could be my Dave Clark H10-13 head set, I have had a very short flight today 3 circuits, just to try with a different head set and all seemed OK but I will know better on a longer flight. The Radio is a funweak ATR 833 Have anyone ever come across this before? -------- Richard Wheelwright G-IRPW First Flight 24th July 2013 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421881#421881 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: odd radio problem From: Rowland Carson On 10 Apr 2014, at 19:26, Richard Wheelwright wrote: > the radio seems to lock up for no reason Richard - can you describe the observed symptoms of this "lock up"? And is it cleared by powering off and on again? I have the same radio but have not flown it yet. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 04/04/14 From: Dari Sagar Sir, I am NO LONGER a member of the Europa club so PLEASE remove my name from your email list. Thanks. Dari Sagar On 5 Apr 2014, at 08:02, Europa-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. 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() > 4. 02:48 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (Europaul383) > 5. 05:08 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (goff) > 6. 05:26 AM - Re: Re: Sun n Fun (PITT STEVEN) > 7. 09:54 AM - Sealant, mastic and Firewall crossing (max8992) > 8. 10:17 AM - Re: Sealant, mastic and Firewall crossing (Nigel Graham) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:12:17 AM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun n Fun > From: "goff" > > > And the announcement is ???????????????????? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421549#421549 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:16:31 AM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Europa Nordic FlyIn > From: stephan cassel > > Dear Europa Flyers and builders > > The annual Europa Nordic FlyIn is approaching. FlyIn will take place > between 23/5 - 25/5 at > =D6land, Sweden (ESMB) > > We can garanti: > 1. Exceptional nice nature > 2. Old castle close to downwind > 3. Good food > 4. Nice company > > For more information follow the link below and click *L=E4s mer..* and on t > he > next page click on > *english version *or remain in order to brush up your swedish. > > http://europa-nordic.scassel.se/ > > Must welcome > > Stephan Cassel > LN-STE Mono > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:39:18 AM PST US > From: > Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Re:_Sun_n_Fun? > > QSB2ZXJ5IGdvb2QgcXVlc3Rpb24gR29mZi4gIFdlIGFyZSBhbGwgd2FpdGluZyB3aXRoIGJhdGVk > IGJyZWF0aC4NCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQpGcm9tOiBnb2ZmDQpTZW50OiDigI5GcmlkYXnigI4s > IOKAjjTigI4g4oCOQXByaWzigI4g4oCOMjAxNCDigI4xMOKAjjrigI4xMQ0KVG86IGV1cm9wYS1s > aXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCg0KDQoNCg0KDQotLT4gRXVyb3BhLUxpc3QgbWVzc2FnZSBwb3N0 > ZWQgYnk6ICJnb2ZmIiA8Z29mZm1vb3JlQGFvbC5jb20+DQoNCkFuZCB0aGUgYW5ub3VuY2VtZW50 > IGlzID8/Pz8/Pz8/Pz8/Pz8/Pz8/Pz8/DQoNCg0KDQoNClJlYWQgdGhpcyB0b3BpYyBvbmxpbmUg > aGVyZToNCg0KaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL3ZpZXd0b3BpYy5waHA/cD00MjE1 > NDkjNDIxNTQ5DQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 > PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgLSBUaGUgRXVyb3Bh > LUxpc3QgRW1haWwgRm9ydW0gLQ0KXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMg > TmF2aWdhdG9yIHRvIGJyb3dzZQ0KXy09IHRoZSBtYW55IExpc3QgdXRpbGl0aWVzIHN1Y2ggYXMg > TGlzdCBVbi9TdWJzY3JpcHRpb24sDQpfLT0gQXJjaGl2ZSBTZWFyY2ggJiBEb3dubG9hZCwgNy1E > YXkgQnJvd3NlLCBDaGF0LCBGQVEsDQpfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3Jl > Og0KXy09DQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9FdXJv > cGEtTGlzdA0KXy09DQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 > PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLSBNQVRST05JQ1MgV0VCIEZP > UlVNUyAtDQpfLT0gU2FtZSBncmVhdCBjb250ZW50IGFsc28gYXZhaWxhYmxlIHZpYSB0aGUgV2Vi > IEZvcnVtcyENCl8tPQ0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KXy09 > DQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 > PT09PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0gTGlzdCBDb250cmlidXRpb24gV2ViIFNpdGUgLQ0K > Xy09ICBUaGFuayB5b3UgZm9yIHlvdXIgZ2VuZXJvdXMgc3VwcG9ydCENCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAg > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlzdCBBZG1pbi4NCl8tPSAgIC0tPiBo > dHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 > PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:48:22 AM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun n Fun > From: "Europaul383" > > > And the announcement is ???????????????????? > > ... going to be announced "on Thursday at 11.00am", so in just over 5 hours... > > :-) > > P > 383 XS Mono 912S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421551#421551 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:08:41 AM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun n Fun > From: "goff" > > > Well, I know there's a time difference between the US and the UK, but it's already > Friday here. > > Goff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421553#421553 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:26:32 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sun n Fun > From: PITT STEVEN > > Yesterday, on behalf of the Europa Club committee, I was delighted to award > Bud Yerly with the Cliff and Betty Shaw Trophy for outstanding support for > the Europa family around the world and especially in the Americas. > At a small but select group of owners/builders at Sun'n'Fun it was great to > meet Bud again, in the warmth of the Florida sunshine (just to rub it in). > To add to the moment it was good to have Ivan Shaw alongside me to > congratulate Bud and I know several photos were taken and hopefully will > find their way to the website via me (thank you gents). > > Bud has helped many Europas into and back into the air over many years, > tackling problems with Jabiru engines along the way, and as he said to me > yesterday, thanking each day for the joy of working with such a capable > aircraft. > > I know you will all join with me congratulating Bud for this award and > recognition of his work and support for the Europa family. > > Regards to all > Steve Pitt > Chairman, Europa Club > > > On Friday, 4 April 2014, goff wrote: > >>> >> >> Well, I know there's a time difference between the US and the UK, but it's >> already Friday here. >> >> Goff >> >> Tending support >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421553#421553 >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:54:48 AM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Sealant, mastic and Firewall crossing > From: "max8992" > > > Hi There All, > I saw sometime ago a very good report on trials made on sealant and on mastic used > on firewall, but can't remember where it was (and even if it was on this forum...) > Someone sees what I mean? > > -------- > Max8992 > Europa XS #560 F-PMLH > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421560#421560 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:17:53 AM PST US > From: Nigel Graham > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sealant, mastic and Firewall crossing > > Was it this one Max? > > Nigel > > On 04/04/2014 17:51, max8992 wrote: >> >> Hi There All, >> I saw sometime ago a very good report on trials made on sealant and on mastic > used on firewall, but can't remember where it was (and even if it was on this > forum...) >> Someone sees what I mean? >> >> -------- >> Max8992 >> Europa XS #560 F-PMLH >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421560#421560 >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: odd radio problem From: "Richard Wheelwright" Rolland, It locks up as in I can't change stations some times or alter the volume. but trying to transmit it shows TX as a normal transmission but ATC can not here me. If I turn the radio off and back on again all is well until it does it again. Their is no set time when it locks.. and I can not get it to do it with-out the engine running. Some times it is OK and others not.... I have wiggled every wire I can find.. But nothing is standing out to say this is where the fault is.. "Richard, I seem to recall a similar problem when G-OGAN was being checked out prior to first flight. The problem was the jack plug sockets in the roof microphone and speaker jacks just touched causing a short,so make sure that there is enough space between the sockets. Best regards Andy Cullum. " Andy, I have checked the mic and head set sockets and all seem well. This is a strange one !!! As nothing stands out to be the problem!!!!!! -------- Richard Wheelwright G-IRPW First Flight 24th July 2013 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421884#421884 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:33 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: odd radio problem Richard, If the radio has an embedded microprocessor it may be a product defect. I have had experience where something will work fine in a metal or C/F aircraft but not in a fiberglass aircraft. The reason is that there is no attenuation of RF in the fiberglass structure and it finds its way into the device, usually through the power feed. A well designed product should not have this issue, however you could try adding some RF filtering on the power, mic, headphone and ppt lines. Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Wheelwright Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:59 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: odd radio problem --> Rolland, It locks up as in I can't change stations some times or alter the volume. but trying to transmit it shows TX as a normal transmission but ATC can not here me. If I turn the radio off and back on again all is well until it does it again. Their is no set time when it locks.. and I can not get it to do it with-out the engine running. Some times it is OK and others not.... I have wiggled every wire I can find.. But nothing is standing out to say this is where the fault is.. "Richard, I seem to recall a similar problem when G-OGAN was being checked out prior to first flight. The problem was the jack plug sockets in the roof microphone and speaker jacks just touched causing a short,so make sure that there is enough space between the sockets. Best regards Andy Cullum. " Andy, I have checked the mic and head set sockets and all seem well. This is a strange one !!! As nothing stands out to be the problem!!!!!! -------- Richard Wheelwright G-IRPW First Flight 24th July 2013 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421884#421884 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:23 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Trigear For Sale anyone? From: "Alan Carter" What do you call a reasonable price. I understand these things cost around 87,000 to build in kit parts and engine and prop and nav aids. So what is a reasonable price, ????? I paid 36k for mine and have spent another 2k on it. so for me its 38k is that reasonable. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421888#421888 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:48 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Trigear For Sale anyone? > > My next door hanger neighbor has just sold his Jabiru and is looking to buy a trigear Europa - anyone know of any unadvertised lowish hours models for sale at a reasonable price? > > UK only, and trigear only On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Alan Carter wrote: > > What do you call a reasonable price. I would hope that in defining =93reasonable=94, other factors come into play such as: - reasonable performance numbers - reasonable in-flight and on-ground handling - reasonable fit and finish, - reasonable level of equipment and avionics, - reasonable level of completion, i.e., =93reasonable=94 and not =93exceptional=94 =85in short, I would hope that someone looking for a Europa at a =93reasonable price=94 would factor into his/her thinking the wide range of outcomes in this realm of amateur-built aircraft and recognize that many have exceptional qualities and warrant exceptional asking prices=85 F. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Trigear For Sale anyone? From: Trevor Pond Absolutely right Fred!! Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Apr 2014, at 22:39, Fred Klein wrote: > >> >> My next door hanger neighbor has just sold his Jabiru and is looking to b uy a trigear Europa - anyone know of any unadvertised lowish hours models fo r sale at a reasonable price? >> >> UK only, and trigear only > >> On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Alan Carter wrote : >> t> >> >> What do you call a reasonable price. > > I would hope that in defining =9Creasonable=9D, other factors c ome into play such as: > > - reasonable performance numbers > - reasonable in-flight and on-ground handling > - reasonable fit and finish, > - reasonable level of equipment and avionics, > - reasonable level of completion, > > i.e., =9Creasonable=9D and not =9Cexceptional=9D > > in short, I would hope that someone looking for a Europa at a =9Creasonable price=9D would factor into his/her thinking the wide r ange of outcomes in this realm of amateur-built aircraft and recognize that m any have exceptional qualities and warrant exceptional asking prices > > F. > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:31 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: odd radio problem One possibility is supply voltage spikes. Some embedded microcontroller chips will freeze if the supply voltage goes outside the spec even for a brief moment. I had that happen recently. The spike was so brief that it did not register on the voltmeter. Connecting a large capacitor across the power wires solved that problem. You might want to give that a try. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Richard Wheelwright wrote: > > Rolland, > It locks up as in I can't change stations some times or alter the volume. but trying to transmit it shows TX as a normal transmission but ATC can not here me. If I turn the radio off and back on again all is well until it does it again. Their is no set time when it locks.. and I can not get it to do it with-out the engine running. Some times it is OK and others not.... I have wiggled every wire I can find.. But nothing is standing out to say this is where the fault is.. > > "Richard, I seem to recall a similar problem when G-OGAN was being checked out prior to first flight. > The problem was the jack plug sockets in the roof microphone and speaker jacks just touched causing a short,so make sure that there is enough space between the sockets. > Best regards > Andy Cullum. " > > Andy, I have checked the mic and head set sockets and all seem well. This is a strange one !!! As nothing stands out to be the problem!!!!!! > > -------- > Richard Wheelwright > G-IRPW > First Flight 24th July 2013 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421884#421884 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.