---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/27/14: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:26 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Whats_new=3F? () 2. 02:38 AM - Re: Whats new? (Alan Burrill) 3. 03:08 AM - Re: Whats new? (richard) 4. 03:31 AM - Re: Whats new? (Kevin Challis) 5. 04:04 AM - Re: Whats new? (David Joyce) 6. 05:29 AM - Re: Whats new? (Kevin Challis) 7. 07:27 AM - FS Mono wheel classic (egp8111) 8. 07:49 AM - Re: G-IOWE BUILDER (alan_hunter1664) 9. 08:40 AM - Re: Whats new? (David Joyce) 10. 09:05 AM - FS Europa taildragger (UK) (Ian Mansfeld) 11. 09:25 AM - Re: Whats new? (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 12. 11:08 AM - Rotax 914 Electrical Supply Protection Devices (Tony Renshaw) 13. 12:02 PM - Re: Rotax 914 Electrical Supply Protection Devices (Jan de Jong) 14. 12:33 PM - Re: Rotax 914 Electrical Supply Protection Devices (Bob Harrison) 15. 07:26 PM - Noisy Comm Radio (Troy Maynor) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:01 AM PST US From: Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Whats_new=3F? 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I run a Funkwork ATR8.33 OLED model for a year. No problem reading the display from my perspective but it=99s not the yellow version. Pete, interested to hear how you found, and solved the interference from the Dynon please. Alan On 27 Apr 2014, at 10:15, pjeffers@talktalk.net wrote: > Hi Richard, > I have just fitted a TRIG 8.33 panel mount radio and am please with the performance so far. Not had it long so no idea of long term reliability. What I will say is that Trig, being UK based (Edinburgh,) are extremely helpful with any queries you may have during installation and initial setting up. They speak a kind of English which I can understand and on one occasion even loaned me a replacement unit as aid to diagnosis of an interference problem. In the end that turned out to be generated by a Dynon D1, so nothing to do with the radio. > Yes I recommend TRIG. > The only negative I have heard about other makes is I think the Funkwerk unit with yellow display which I have had reported as very difficult to read in sunlight. > Pete > > From: David Joyce > Sent: =8ESaturday=8E, =8E26=8E =8EApril =8E =8E2014 =8E19=8E:=8E01 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Richard, there is a list on the LAA site of which are > accepted in this country. No personal recommendation as I > am replacing an SL 30 regards, David, GXSDJ > > > On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:12:47 +0100 > Richard Iddon wrote: > > > > > > Anyone got any recommendations or otherwise for an 8.33 > >Mhz radio to fit a 2.25in hole and replace a microair? > > > > I have spotted Trig, Dittel, MGL, Becker, Funkwerk so > >far. > > > > Richard Iddon > > > > G-RIXS > > > > On 25 Apr 2014, at 14:32, Richard Iddon > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Un/Subscription, > >Forums! > >Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/26/14 > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:28 AM PST US From: "richard" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Whats new? I have a Funkwerk supplied by Airworld [UK] Ltd works very well. I noted that a suggestion was made to carry a hand held radio with 8.33 Mhz separation, I did this way back when 760 set were required to replace 720s [God I=98m getting old] however I found that it was not accepted in German air space. I used it once in anger in France after suspected radio failure-what a palaver . It turned out that the aircraft radios were fine , my wife=99s head set had been uncomfortable so we had swopped, I learnt a lesson there! Richard Collings G-CGZV From: KENNETH ATKINSON Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Whats new? Funkwerk with associated wiring harness from LX avionics has worked for me. Ken Atkinson G-CEKV From: Richard Iddon Sent: Friday, 25 April 2014, 20:12 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Whats new? Anyone got any recommendations or otherwise for an 8.33 Mhz radio to fit a 2.25in hole and replace a microair? I have spotted Trig, Dittel, MGL, Becker, Funkwerk so far. Richard Iddon G-RIXS On 25 Apr 2014, at 14:32, Richard Iddon http://ww================ ====== No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/26/14 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Whats new? From: Kevin Challis I don't have a trig radio yet but I do have a trig transponder. There suppor t is fantastic I blew the transponder up when I fitted it (don't ask but com pletely my fault). Trig replaced it free of charge even though they were abl e to say exactly what I had done to it. I will be buying the Trig radio. I have a VOR and ILS connected to my current radio and fear I will have to l eave it in unless anyone knows of a 8.33 radio which will do the same and no t leave me destitute. Thanks Kevin Challis > On 27 Apr 2014, at 10:15, wrote: > > Hi Richard, > I have just fitted a TRIG 8.33 panel mount radio and am please with the pe rformance so far. Not had it long so no idea of long term reliability. Wha t I will say is that Trig, being UK based (Edinburgh,) are extremely helpful with any queries you may have during installation and initial setting up. T hey speak a kind of English which I can understand and on one occasion even l oaned me a replacement unit as aid to diagnosis of an interference problem. In the end that turned out to be generated by a Dynon D1, so nothing to do w ith the radio. > Yes I recommend TRIG. > The only negative I have heard about other makes is I think the Funkwerk u nit with yellow display which I have had reported as very difficult to read i n sunlight. > Pete > > From: David Joyce > Sent: =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BDSaturday=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD, =C3=A2=82=AC=C5 =BD26=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BDApril=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD =C3 =A2=82=AC=C5=BD2014 =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD19=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD:=C3=A2 =82=AC=C5=BD01 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > k> > > Richard, there is a list on the LAA site of which are > accepted in this country. No personal recommendation as I > am replacing an SL 30 regards, David, GXSDJ > > > On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:12:47 +0100 > Richard Iddon wrote: > > > > > > Anyone got any recommendations or otherwise for an 8.33 > >Mhz radio to fit a 2.25in hole and replace a microair? > > > > I have spotted Trig, Dittel, MGL, Becker, Funkwerk so > >far. > > > > Richard Iddon > > > > G-RIXS > > > > On 25 Apr 2014, at 14:32, Richard Iddon > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Un/Subscription, > >Forums! > >Admin. > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > =C2=C2=B7=BA~=B0=C3=AD=C2=B2,=C3=9E=C3=99=C3=8A%=C2=A2=C2=BD 4=C3=93M4}=C2=A7=1Er=B9=C2=AB=B0=C3=C3=A7{=07(=C2=BA=C2=B8=C5 =BE=C2=AD8^=12=C3=C3=A8=C2=A5=C2=A2=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=91&j)E=C2=A2=C2=BB=C2 R=C3=87=C2=AD=C3=A3=1A=C2=B6=C2=BA'=B0=C3=8B=0B=C5-=C3=8BEy =C2=ABn=C2=AD=C3=AB j=C3=B8 j=C3=9A+=C2=B6-=C3=AB=C2=A3=0B=1E=C2=B6=17 =C2j|=B9=C5-=C3=8Bn=C2=B6)b=C2=B6'=C2=AC=C2=B2=C3=A7!j=C3=82=C3=A2 =C2=B2=C3-'=C3=BD+=BA=C2=B1=C3=8A=C3=A2=C2=C3=98=C2=A8=C5=93 =C3=9C -+=C3=9EI=C3=C2=ABr=10=C3=A8=C3=82yhi=C3=9E=C3=83k k=C2=A3=0B=1E =16 =C2=AD=14=04=0F-=B9h=C2=B2=16=C2=ABy=C2=A9=C3=9D=C5=A1=C3=A7!=C5 =A1=C3=A7!=C5=A1=C5-=C3=9Ej=1A=C3=9E~=1Bm=C2=A7=C3=C3=B0=C3=83 =C5 =A1=C2=B6=C2=BA'=B0=C3=8B=1C=C2=A2o=C3=8Dj=C3=B8 j=C3=9A+=12=C3=C3=A8 =C2=A5=C2=A2=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=98m=C2=B6=C5=B8=C3=C3=83=0C&j=C3=9A=C3=A8=C5=BE ',r=B0=C25=C2=AB=C3=A2=C2=81=C2=ABh=C2=ACK=C2=AB=C2=A2=93 =B9=C5-=C3=8B=7Fh=C3=13D=C3=A3H %=9E=04S=98P=C3=84 =99jg =C2=AD=C3=C2=ADr=B0=C3=ADz{Z=93=C3=8A=1A=C2=BD=C2=A8=C2 =A5i=C2=B9^=C2=BE&=C2=AD=C3=A5=C5=BElZ+=C2=BAk=1A-=C2=B7=C5 =B8-=C3=9Bi=C3=C3=B7=C3=A8=C2=AE=C3=A9=C2=AC=84=A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2 x=C5=93=C2=B1=C3=8A&-=C3=9Bi=C3=C3=B7=C3=A8=C2=AE=C3=A9=C2=AC=84 =A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B1=C3=8A&=C3=BD=C2=A2=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=90=C2=A8=C5=BE =C3=9A=C3=A2n=C3=ABb=C2=A2u=C5=BEm(=C2=ADy8Z=C5=BEL=C2=A8=C2=B9=C3=BA+=C3=8A =B9=C2=AB=C2=81=C3=A9=C3=9E=C2=AE=B9=C2=AC=C2=B2=C3i=C2=A2=C2 =BBLj=C3=9BC=C2=AD=C2=A9ex=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B4=07f=C5-v=C2=A1=C2=AD=C3=A7=C3 =A1=C2=B6=C3=9A=7F=C3=0C0=84=A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B1=C3=8A&=C3=BD =C3=8A'=C2=B6=C2=B8=BA=C2=BA=C3=98=C2=A8=C5=BE=1Bm=C2=A7=C3=C3=B0=C3 =83 =C5=A1=C2=B6=C2=BA'=B0=C3=8B=1C=C2=A2o=C3=9C=C2=A2{k=B0 =C2=BB=C2=AD=C5-=B0=C3k=C3=B6=C3~=B0=C3=AD=C3=BE=C5=A1=C3 =9E=C3=BD=C2=BA=1D=C3=8B=C3=B8m=C5=A1 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:30 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Whats new? Kevin, I think your solution is a good one. I too had a nav/com with twin VOR and ILS. Fun to play with but not much practical use until EASA allow IFR in permit aircraft or all your GPSs pack up and you get caught in IFR way from anywhere (unlikely unless you plan to fly to Oz - when it has happened to nearly all going through the tropical zone). Mine was an SL30, whose direct Garmin replacement turns out to be around 1cm fatter. This led me to totally redesigning and rewiring most of my panel, an ongoing process that has taken longer than the original panel fit! With wisdom of hindsight it would probably have been smarter to keep the SL30 for Nav & back up com and use a Trig for standard com. I have incidentally got a spare SL30 in perfect working order that I would be happy to part with to a good home for a modest donation to my favourite charity. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:30:39 +0100 Kevin Challis wrote: > I don't have a trig radio yet but I do have a trig >transponder. There support is fantastic I blew the >transponder up when I fitted it (don't ask but completely >my fault). Trig replaced it free of charge even though >they were able to say exactly what I had done to it. > > I will be buying the Trig radio. > > I have a VOR and ILS connected to my current radio and >fear I will have to leave it in unless anyone knows of a >8.33 radio which will do the same and not leave me >destitute. > > Thanks > > Kevin Challis > > >> On 27 Apr 2014, at 10:15, wrote: >> >> Hi Richard, >> I have just fitted a TRIG 8.33 panel mount radio and am >>please with the performance so far. Not had it long so >>no idea of long term reliability. What I will say is >>that Trig, being UK based (Edinburgh,) are extremely >>helpful with any queries you may have during installation >>and initial setting up. They speak a kind of English >>which I can understand and on one occasion even loaned me >>a replacement unit as aid to diagnosis of an interference >>problem. In the end that turned out to be generated by a >>Dynon D1, so nothing to do with the radio. >> Yes I recommend TRIG. >> The only negative I have heard about other makes is I >>think the Funkwerk unit with yellow display which I have >>had reported as very difficult to read in sunlight. >> Pete >> >> From: David Joyce >> Sent: Saturday, 26 April 2014 >>19:01 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> >> >> >> Richard, there is a list on the LAA site of which are >> accepted in this country. No personal recommendation as >>I >> am replacing an SL 30 regards, David, GXSDJ >> >> >> On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:12:47 +0100 >> Richard Iddon wrote: >> > >> > >> > Anyone got any recommendations or otherwise for an >>8.33 >> >Mhz radio to fit a 2.25in hole and replace a microair? >> > >> > I have spotted Trig, Dittel, MGL, Becker, Funkwerk so >> >far. >> > >> > Richard Iddon >> > >> > G-RIXS >> > >> > On 25 Apr 2014, at 14:32, Richard Iddon >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Un/Subscription, >> >Forums! >> >Admin. >> > >> > >> > >> > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> ~,%4M4}r{ (8^&j)ER' Eyn >>j j+ j|n)b'!j'+ >>+Iryhik k >>hy!!j~m 'oj >>j+m-&j',r5hKhDH %SPjg >>rz{Zi^&lZ+kikx&ikx&nbum(y8ZL+iLjCex fv-0kx&'m 'o{kk~m ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Whats new? From: Kevin Challis David You can do your training / flight test for your IMC in a permit. I would prefer to be in court for doing IFR in a permit plane than dead :-) Yes I know you should never get in that situation but......, And fingers crossed IFR in a permit is on the horizon. Well within my lifetime maybe. Kevin Challis > On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:03, "David Joyce" wrote: > > > > Kevin, I think your solution is a good one. I too had a nav/com with twin VOR and ILS. Fun to play with but not much practical use until EASA allow IFR in permit aircraft or all your GPSs pack up and you get caught in IFR way from anywhere (unlikely unless you plan to fly to Oz - when it has happened to nearly all going through the tropical zone). Mine was an SL30, whose direct Garmin replacement turns out to be around 1cm fatter. This led me to totally redesigning and rewiring most of my panel, an ongoing process that has taken longer than the original panel fit! With wisdom of hindsight it would probably have been smarter to keep the SL30 for Nav & back up com and use a Trig for standard com. I have incidentally got a spare SL30 in perfect working order that I would be happy to part with to a good home for a modest donation to my favourite charity. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ > > On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:30:39 +0100 > Kevin Challis wrote: >> I don't have a trig radio yet but I do have a trig transponder. There support is fantastic I blew the transponder up when I fitted it (don't ask but completely my fault). Trig replaced it free of charge even though they were able to say exactly what I had done to it. I will be buying the Trig radio. >> I have a VOR and ILS connected to my current radio and fear I will have to leave it in unless anyone knows of a 8.33 radio which will do the same and not leave me destitute. >> Thanks Kevin Challis >>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 10:15, wrote: >>> Hi Richard, >>> I have just fitted a TRIG 8.33 panel mount radio and am please with the performance so far. Not had it long so no idea of long term reliability. What I will say is that Trig, being UK based (Edinburgh,) are extremely helpful with any queries you may have during installation and initial setting up. They speak a kind of English which I can understand and on one occasion even loaned me a replacement unit as aid to diagnosis of an interference problem. In the end that turned out to be generated by a Dynon D1, so nothing to do with the radio. >>> Yes I recommend TRIG. The only negative I have heard about other makes is I think the Funkwerk unit with yellow display which I have had reported as very difficult to read in sunlight. >>> Pete >>> From: David Joyce >>> Sent: Saturday, 26 April 2014 19:01 >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com >>> Richard, there is a list on the LAA site of which are accepted in this country. No personal recommendation as I am replacing an SL 30 regards, David, GXSDJ >>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:12:47 +0100 >>> Richard Iddon wrote: >>> > > Anyone got any recommendations or otherwise for an 8.33 >Mhz radio to fit a 2.25in hole and replace a microair? >>> > > I have spotted Trig, Dittel, MGL, Becker, Funkwerk so >far. > > Richard Iddon >>> > > G-RIXS >>> > > On 25 Apr 2014, at 14:32, Richard Iddon > wrote: >>> > > > > >Un/Subscription, >>> >Forums! >>> >Admin. >>> > > > >> =================================== >> =================================== >> =================================== >> =================================== >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> ~,%4M4}r{ (8^&j)ER' Eyn j j+ j|n)b'!j'+ +Iryhik k hy!!j~m 'oj j+m-&j',r5hKhDH %SPjg rz{Zi^&lZ+kikx&ikx&nbum(y8ZL+iLjCex fv-0kx&'m 'o{kk~m > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:05 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: FS Mono wheel classic From: "egp8111" Mono wheel classic, 912, warp prop, nice interior, factory trailer. 160hrs. tt $15,000 PM me if interested EG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422439#422439 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:36 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: G-IOWE BUILDER From: "alan_hunter1664" Thanks all, I've found him. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422441#422441 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:40 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Whats new? Kevin, Yes I am aware of that and would have done it if the syllabus fitted a bit better with the practicalities of how I would fly mine if unavoidably caught in IMC. As it is I just practice key elements when occasion arises (legally of course!) regards, David On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:28:38 +0100 Kevin Challis wrote: > > > David > > You can do your training / flight test for your IMC in a >permit. > > I would prefer to be in court for doing IFR in a permit >plane than dead :-) > Yes I know you should never get in that situation >but......, > > And fingers crossed IFR in a permit is on the horizon. >Well within my lifetime maybe. > > Kevin Challis > > >> On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:03, "David Joyce" >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Kevin, I think your solution is a good one. I too had a >>nav/com with twin VOR and ILS. Fun to play with but not >>much practical use until EASA allow IFR in permit >>aircraft or all your GPSs pack up and you get caught in >>IFR way from anywhere (unlikely unless you plan to fly to >>Oz - when it has happened to nearly all going through the >>tropical zone). Mine was an SL30, whose direct Garmin >>replacement turns out to be around 1cm fatter. This led >>me to totally redesigning and rewiring most of my panel, >>an ongoing process that has taken longer than the >>original panel fit! With wisdom of hindsight it would >>probably have been smarter to keep the SL30 for Nav & >>back up com and use a Trig for standard com. I have >>incidentally got a spare SL30 in perfect working order >>that I would be happy to part with to a good home for a >>modest donation to my favourite charity. Regards, David >>Joyce, GXSDJ >> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:30:39 +0100 >> Kevin Challis wrote: >>> I don't have a trig radio yet but I do have a trig >>>transponder. There support is fantastic I blew the >>>transponder up when I fitted it (don't ask but completely >>>my fault). Trig replaced it free of charge even though >>>they were able to say exactly what I had done to it. I >>>will be buying the Trig radio. >>> I have a VOR and ILS connected to my current radio and >>>fear I will have to leave it in unless anyone knows of a >>>8.33 radio which will do the same and not leave me >>>destitute. >>> Thanks Kevin Challis >>>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 10:15, wrote: >>>> Hi Richard, >>>> I have just fitted a TRIG 8.33 panel mount radio and am >>>>please with the performance so far. Not had it long so >>>>no idea of long term reliability. What I will say is >>>>that Trig, being UK based (Edinburgh,) are extremely >>>>helpful with any queries you may have during installation >>>>and initial setting up. They speak a kind of English >>>>which I can understand and on one occasion even loaned me >>>>a replacement unit as aid to diagnosis of an interference >>>>problem. In the end that turned out to be generated by a >>>>Dynon D1, so nothing to do with the radio. >>>> Yes I recommend TRIG. The only negative I have heard >>>>about other makes is I think the Funkwerk unit with >>>>yellow display which I have had reported as very >>>>difficult to read in sunlight. >>>> Pete >>>> From: David Joyce >>>> Sent: Saturday, 26 April 2014 >>>>19:01 >>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com >>>> >>>> Richard, there is a list on the LAA site of which are >>>>accepted in this country. No personal recommendation as I >>>>am replacing an SL 30 regards, David, GXSDJ >>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:12:47 +0100 >>>> Richard Iddon wrote: >>>>> >>>> > > Anyone got any recommendations or otherwise for an >>>>8.33 >Mhz radio to fit a 2.25in hole and replace a >>>>microair? >>>> > > I have spotted Trig, Dittel, MGL, Becker, Funkwerk >>>>so >far. > > Richard Iddon >>>> > > G-RIXS >>>> > > On 25 Apr 2014, at 14:32, Richard Iddon >>>>> wrote: >>>> > > > > >Un/Subscription, >>>> >Forums! >>>> >Admin. >>>> > > > >>> =================================== >>> =================================== >>> =================================== >>> =================================== >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> ~,%4M4}r{ (8^&j)ER' Eyn >>>>j j+ j|n)b'!j'+ >>>>+Iryhik k hy!!j~m >>>> 'oj >>>>j+m-&j',r5hKhDH >>>> %SPjg >>>>rz{Zi^&lZ+kikx&ikx&nbum(y8ZL+iLjCex fv-0kx&'m >>>> 'o{kk~m >> >> >> >> > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:24 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: FS Europa taildragger (UK) From: "Ian Mansfeld" My taildragger Europa is up for sale. It is the Swiss carbon conversion and has a Rotax 912UL, 80HP, fitted with an Arplast VP Prop with SmartAvionics CS controller. Typical 75% cruise is 120KIAS@15Lph. The conventional panel has a SkyMapIIIc, KT76A Mode C transponder and a GNS250Nav/Com. There is a full intercom and a pair of Sennheiser ANR headsets. Engine/airframe 360 hours, always maintained by a LAA licensed engineer. All mods are up to date and it has a LAA permit to Nov 14. To be sold with all manuals, handbooks, plus an open trailer and Jaxida glider-style outdoor covers. 25,500. Contact me at ian.mansfeld.etps@gmail.com or call (m) 07775 905324. The aircraft is currently at Thruxton. Ian Mansfeld Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422451#422451 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:13 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Whats new? Would it be legal to turn the engine off then go up in a thermal ?:-o=0A=0A Graham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: David Joyce =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, 27 A pril 2014, 16:39=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Whats new?=0A =0A=0A--> Europa -List message posted by: "David Joyce" =0A=0A=0A Kevin, Yes I am aware of that and would have done it if the syllabus fitted a bit better with the practicalities of how I would fly mine if unavoidabl y caught in IMC. As it is I just practice key elements when occasion arises (legally of course!) regards, David=0A=0AOn Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:28:38 +010 0=0AKevin Challis wrote:=0A> --> Europa-List message p osted by: Kevin Challis =0A> =0A> David=0A> =0A> You ca n do your training / flight test for your IMC in a permit.=0A> =0A> I would prefer to be in court for doing IFR in a permit plane than dead :-)=0A> Ye s I know you should never get in that situation but......,=C2- =0A> And f ingers crossed IFR in a permit is on the horizon. Well within my lifetime m aybe.=0A> =0A> Kevin Challis=0A> =0A> =0A>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:03, "Davi d Joyce" wrote:=0A>> =0A>> --> Europa-List mess age posted by: "David Joyce" =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> K evin, I think your solution is a good one. I too had a nav/com with twin VO R and ILS. Fun to play with but not much practical use until EASA allow IFR in permit aircraft or all your GPSs pack up and you get caught in IFR way from anywhere (unlikely unless you plan to fly to Oz - when it has happened to nearly all going through the tropical zone). Mine was an SL30, whose di rect Garmin replacement turns out to be around 1cm fatter. This led me to t otally redesigning and rewiring most of my panel, an ongoing process that h as taken longer than the original panel fit! With wisdom of hindsight it wo uld probably have been smarter to keep the SL30 for Nav & back up com and u se a Trig for standard com. I have incidentally got a spare SL30 in perfect working order that I would be happy to part with to a good home for a mode st donation to my favourite charity. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ=0A>> =0A>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:30:39 +0100=0A>> Kevin Challis wrote:=0A>>> I don't have a trig radio yet but I do have a trig transponde r. There support is fantastic I blew the transponder up when I fitted it (d on't ask but completely my fault). Trig replaced it free of charge even tho ugh they were able to say exactly what I had done to it. I will be buying t he Trig radio.=0A>>> I have a VOR and ILS connected to my current radio and fear I will have to leave it in unless anyone knows of a 8.33 radio which will do the same and not leave me destitute.=0A>>> Thanks Kevin Challis=0A> >>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 10:15, wrote:=0A>>>> Hi Rich ard,=0A>>>> I have just fitted a TRIG 8.33 panel mount radio and am please with the performance so far.=C2- Not had it long so no idea of long term reliability.=C2- What I will say is that Trig, being UK based (Edinburgh, ) are extremely helpful with any queries you may have during installation a nd initial setting up.=C2- They speak a kind of English which I can under stand and on one occasion even loaned me a replacement unit as aid to diagn osis of an interference problem.=C2- In the end that turned out to be gen erated by a Dynon D1, so nothing to do with the radio.=0A>>>> Yes I recomme nd TRIG. The only negative I have heard about other makes is I think the Fu nkwerk unit with yellow display which I have had reported as very difficult to read in sunlight.=0A>>>> Pete=0A>>>> From: David Joyce=0A>>>> Sent: =C3 =A2=82=AC=C5=BDSaturday=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD, =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD26=C3 =A2=82=AC=C5=BD =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BDApril=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD =C3=A2 =82=AC=C5=BD2014 =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD19=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD:=C3=A2 =82=AC=C5=BD01=0A>>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com=0A>>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" =0A>>>> Richard , there is a list on the LAA site of which are accepted in this country. No personal recommendation as I am replacing an SL 30 regards, David, GXSDJ =0A>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:12:47 +0100=0A>>>>=C2- Richard Iddon >>>> =0A>>>> > > Anyone got any recommendations or otherwise for an 8.33 >Mhz radio to fit a 2.25in hole and replace a microai r?=0A>>>> > > I have spotted Trig, Dittel, MGL, Becker, Funkwerk so >far. > > Richard Iddon=0A>>>> > > G-RIXS=0A>>>> > > On 25 Apr 2014, at 14:32, Ric hard Iddon =0A>>>>> wrote:=0A>>>> > > > > >Un/Subscriptio n,=0A>>>> >Forums!=0A>>>> >Admin.=0A>>>> > > >=0A>>> ======= =====0A>>> ================== ===================0A>>> ==== ========0A>>> =============== ======================0A>>>> ---- -=0A>>>> No virus found in this message.=0A>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.co m=0A>>>> =C2=C2=B7=BA~=B0=C3=AD=C2=B2,=C3=9E=C3=99=C3=8A%=C2 =A2=C2=BD4=C3=93M4}=C2=A7r=B9=C2=AB=B0=C3=C3=A7{(=C2=BA=C2 =B8=C5=BE=C2=AD8^=C3=C3=A8=C2=A5=C2=A2=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=91&j)E=C2=A2=C2=BB =C2R=C3=87=C2=AD=C3=A3=C2=B6=C2=BA'=B0=C3=8B=C5-=C3=8BE y=C2=ABn=C2=AD=C3=AB j=C3=B8 j=C3=9A+=C2=B6-=C3=AB=C2=A3=C2=B6=C2 j|=B9=C5-=C3=8Bn=C2=B6)b=C2=B6'=C2=AC=C2=B2=C3=A7!j=C3=82=C3=A2 =C2=B2=C3-'=C3=BD+=BA=C2=B1=C3=8A=C3=A2=C2=C3=98=C2=A8=C5=93 =C3 =9C-+=C3=9EI=C3=C2=ABr=C3=A8=C3=82yhi=C3=9E=C3=83k k=C2=A3 =C2 =AD-=B9h=C2=B2=C2=ABy=C2=A9=C3=9D=C5=A1=C3=A7!=C5=A1=C3=A7! =C5=A1=C5-=C3=9Ej=C3=9E~m=C2=A7=C3=C3=B0=C3=83=C2- =C5=A1=C2=B6=C2 =BA'=B0=C3=8B=C2=A2o=C3=8Dj=C3=B8 j=C3=9A+=C3=C3=A8=C2=A5=C2=A2=C3 =A2=C2=B2=C3=98m=C2=B6=C5=B8=C3=C3=83&j=C3=9A=C3=A8=C5=BE',r=B0=C2 5=C2=AB=C3=A2=C2=ABh=C2=ACK=C2=AB=C2=A2=93=B9=C5-=C3=8Bh =C3D=C3=A3H=C2- %=9ES=98P=C3=84=99jg =C2=AD=C3 =C2=ADr=B0=C3=ADz{Z=93=C3=8A=C2=BD=C2=A8=C2=A5i=C2=B9^=C2=BE& =C2=AD=C3=A5=C5=BElZ+=C2=BAk-=C2=B7=C5=B8-=C3=9Bi =C3=C3=B7=C3=A8=C2=AE=C3=A9=C2=AC=84=A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B1=C3 =8A&-=C3=9Bi=C3=C3=B7=C3=A8=C2=AE=C3=A9=C2=AC=84=A2=C2=ABk=C2 =A2x=C5=93=C2=B1=C3=8A&=C3=BD=C2=A2=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=90=C2=A8=C5=BE=C3=9A=C3 =A2n=C3=ABb=C2=A2u=C5=BEm(=C2=ADy8Z=C5=BEL=C2=A8=C2=B9=C3=BA+=C3=8A =B9=C2=AB=C3=A9=C3=9E=C2=AE=B9=C2=AC=C2=B2=C3i=C2=A2=C2=BBLj=C3=9B C=C2=AD=C2=A9ex=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B4f=C5-v=C2=A1=C2=AD=C3=A7=C3=A1=C2=B6=C3 =9A=C30=84=A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B1=C3=8A&=C3=BD=C3=8A'=C2=B6=C2 =B8=BA=C2=BA=C3=98=C2=A8=C5=BEm=C2=A7=C3=C3=B0=C3=83=C2- =C5=A1 =C2=B6=C2=BA'=B0=C3=8B=C2=A2o=C3=9C=C2=A2{k=B0=C2=BB=C2=AD=C5 -=B0=C3k=C3=B6=C3~=B0=C3=AD=C3=BE=C5=A1=C3=9E=C3=BD=C2 =BA=C3=8B=C3=B8m=C5=A1=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A> =0A> =0A> Un/Subscriptio =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2 ================= ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:17 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Electrical Supply Protection Devices From: Tony Renshaw Hi, I am wondering if anyone with a 914 has used a device like this below? Regards Tony Renshaw Sent from my iPad



________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:57 PM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Electrical Supply Protection Devices Strikes me as unlikely to be useful. Low voltage is the result of either: - an open circuit in the regulator; the battery takes over automatically, or: - (less likely) a short in the regulator - the battery will make the fuse in the B-lead pop; the battery takes over automatically. The device would take the role of the fuse I suppose. And you still need overvoltage detection and relay. Maybe you should become a member of the Aeroelectric list of Bob Nuckols (also a Matronics list) and ask him what he thinks. He is loves this stuff and is knowledgeable and pretty eloquent. Jan de Jong > Hi, > I am wondering if anyone with a 914 has used a device like this below? > Regards > Tony Renshaw > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:08 PM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Electrical Supply Protection Devices Hi! Tony, I haven't any experience about the device you mention but I had an overvoltage trip system Called a "Crowbar" system by Bob Nuckolls of Aeroelectric Systems. It was wired into the Jabiru wireing system I had with the original engine on G-PTAG. When I replaced that engine with the 914 I simply wired it in the same way. For my money (and it was of minimal cost from Bob Nuckols) you would be better protected from a runaway voltage rather than an under voltage. Having said that I have never had it trip out yet. But I did find the multi spade connections burnt to the regulator once. It is imperative that they are maintained positive connections I've had no further problems but I have the Schick regulator which replaced the standard issue Ducati. ( I'm touching wood !) Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw Sent: 27 April 2014 19:07 Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Electrical Supply Protection Devices Hi, I am wondering if anyone with a 914 has used a device like this below? Regards Tony Renshaw ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:20 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Noisy Comm Radio From: "Troy Maynor" Hi All, I know this has been discussed before on the forum. I have looked til I bleary eyed and can't find the answer I'm looking for. When I key the mike I have started getting a loud static noise or feedback that wasn't there before. I have near radio silence of incoming traffic until I am in the pattern and then it's scratchy. It sounds ok with the engine off but I don't know how far I'm transmitting or receiving on the ground. I am running an ICOM A200 and Bob Archer antenna. The antenna is mounted on the fuselage wall behind the D panel port side. It has always performed well until recently but can't pin down what has changed. I have checked the security of all the grounds on and forward of the firewall, as far as I can tell. I was thinking it is time to pull the instrument panel but got to thinking about these torroids or suppressors. Can I just string some of these onto the RG58 coax back near the antenna and maybe help matters? I'd really appreciate any pointers to look at specifically. I have a Sigtronics intercom with the music switcher also. Can the presence of an IPAD communicating with a Stratus ADSB cause this? Most of what I found on the forum dealt with the transmitter affecting other equipment. This is not the case. I am hearing huge noise when I key the mike and can't here others calling me until I'm very near, like in the landing pattern. I can also hear the electric gyros in the headsets a little but that has always been there but not too noticeable, a little pop from the strobes faintly, but I can live with that. I just need to kill the giant, not the little noises necessarily. I'd like to figure out what change took place. 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