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1. 12:28 AM - Re: Use of full synthetic oil with Avgas 100LL (tennant)
2. 01:10 AM - Re: Use of full synthetic oil with Avgas 100LL (Roland)
3. 01:14 AM - Europa crash in =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L=C3=BCbeck?=/Germany (Roland)
4. 04:15 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?AW:__Europa_Crash_in_L=FCbeck/Germany? (UVTREITH)
5. 05:18 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:__Europa_Crash_in_L=FCbeck/Germany? (Max Cointe (Free))
6. 05:44 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:_AW:__Europa_Crash_in_L=C3=BCbeck/Germa?= =?utf-8?Q?ny? (Duanefamly)
7. 06:10 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?AW:_AW:__Europa_Crash_in_L=FCbeck/Germany? (UVTREITH)
8. 07:34 AM - Re: Use of full synthetic oil with Avgas 100LL (Roland)
9. 08:04 AM - Re: Use of full synthetic oil with Avgas 100LL (tennant)
10. 08:23 AM - Rotax 9xx oil (Robert Borger)
11. 08:39 AM - Re: Rotax 9xx oil (James Kelly)
12. 09:02 AM - Re: Rotax 9xx oil (Robert Borger)
13. 09:10 AM - Re: Rotax 9xx oil (James Kelly)
14. 10:24 AM - Re: Rotax 9xx oil (Max Cointe (Free))
15. 12:54 PM - Re: Rotax 9xx oil (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
16. 01:04 PM - Re: Rotax 9xx oil From the OTHER BOB .......BOB HARRISON G-PTAG (Bob Harrison)
17. 02:11 PM - Re: Rotax 9xx oil (KENNETH ATKINSON)
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| Subject: | Re: Use of full synthetic oil with Avgas 100LL |
Hi Roland,
I see that no one is sticking his neck out on this one!!
Personally I would not worry about a couple of % of Avgas.
Barry
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D-EHBT
At EDLM - Germany
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| Subject: | Re: Use of full synthetic oil with Avgas 100LL |
Good morning Barry,
thanks for sharing your personal opinion since in fact this was what I'm looking
for as the Rotax releases are clear in stating no full synthetic oil with Avgas
(and of course you won't get any other statement from them). But apparently
there is no one using full synth with even very little Avgas. I didn't decide
yet, which oil to use next. Maybe semi synthetic until UL 91 or another lead
free Avgas is available on a broad level.
I modified my cooling system, so that I hopefully won't see oil temps beyond 120C
too often sometime in the future (when I'm finally flying again).
Regards
Roland
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| Subject: | Europa crash in =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L=C3=BCbeck?=/Germany |
Friends,
there's sad news from Germany.
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=165871
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| Subject: | o-8859-1?Q?AW:_Europa-List:_Europa_Crash_in_L=FCbeck/Germany? |
Hi Family,
In deed it is very sad.
The Owner and Co-Pilot was Manfred Jann. His friend and Pilot, who also
had
made the first flight Peter Vajen died by this accident. Manfred is
heavily
injured and in hospital in a still critical situation.
This was the third flight with the Monowheel Classic. More information
about
this maybe later, when the BFU had got the result out of their
investigations.
Bruno Reith / Europa Germany
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Roland
Gesendet: Montag, 5. Mai 2014 10:14
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: Europa crash in L=C3=BCbeck/Germany
Friends,
there's sad news from Germany.
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=165871
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422812#422812
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| Subject: | o-8859-1?Q?RE:_Europa-List:_Europa_Crash_in_L=FCbeck/Germany? |
Hi Bruno,
Very sad indeed, we think at their families=85
Max Cointe
<mailto:mcointe@free.fr> mcointe@free.fr
F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours
F-PLDJ Dyn=92A=E9ro MCR 4S
Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures
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Hi Family,
In deed it is very sad.
The Owner and Co-Pilot was Manfred Jann. His friend and Pilot, who also
had
made the first flight Peter Vajen died by this accident. Manfred is
heavily
injured and in hospital in a still critical situation.
This was the third flight with the Monowheel Classic. More information
about
this maybe later, when the BFU had got the result out of their
investigations.
Bruno Reith / Europa Germany
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Roland
Gesendet: Montag, 5. Mai 2014 10:14
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: Europa crash in L=C3=BCbeck/Germany
Friends,
there's sad news from Germany.
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=165871
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422812#422812
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| Subject: | Re: f-8?Q?Re:_AW:_Europa-List:_Europa_Crash_in_L=C3=BCbeck/Germa?= =?utf-8?Q?ny? |
What is disturbing to me is that it appears the aircraft split right in the m
iddle of the cockpit module.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 5, 2014, at 4:14, "UVTREITH" <uvtreith@t-online.de> wrote:
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> Hi Family,
>
> In deed it is very sad.
> The Owner and Co-Pilot was Manfred Jann. His friend and Pilot, who also ha
d made the first flight Peter Vajen died by this accident. Manfred is heavil
y injured and in hospital in a still critical situation.
> This was the third flight with the Monowheel Classic. More information abo
ut this maybe later, when the BFU had got the result out of their investigat
ions.
>
> Bruno Reith / Europa Germany
>
> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv
er@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Roland
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. Mai 2014 10:14
> An: europa-list@matronics.com
> Betreff: Europa-List: Europa crash in L=C3=83=C2=BCbeck/Germany
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> Friends,
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> there's sad news from Germany.
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> http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=165871
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422812#422812
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| Subject: | o-8859-1?Q?AW:_AW:_Europa-List:_Europa_Crash_in_L=FCbeck/Germany? |
The rescue service had to cut off the front part to get the second
person
out of that plane.
Bruno
_____
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von
Duanefamly
Gesendet: Montag, 5. Mai 2014 14:44
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Re: AW: Europa-List: Europa Crash in L=FCbeck/Germany
What is disturbing to me is that it appears the aircraft split right in
the
middle of the cockpit module.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 5, 2014, at 4:14, "UVTREITH" <uvtreith@t-online.de> wrote:
Hi Family,
In deed it is very sad.
The Owner and Co-Pilot was Manfred Jann. His friend and Pilot, who also
had
made the first flight Peter Vajen died by this accident. Manfred is
heavily
injured and in hospital in a still critical situation.
This was the third flight with the Monowheel Classic. More information
about
this maybe later, when the BFU had got the result out of their
investigations.
Bruno Reith / Europa Germany
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Roland
Gesendet: Montag, 5. Mai 2014 10:14
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: Europa crash in L=C3=BCbeck/Germany
Friends,
there's sad news from Germany.
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=165871
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422812#422812
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| Subject: | Re: Use of full synthetic oil with Avgas 100LL |
I also found this one, although it's no official Rotax document.
http://www.rotaxservice.com/rotax_tips/rotax_feed4.htm
"Users running MOSTLY unleaded fuel can opt for full-synthetic or semi-synthetic
oils."
....still searching for infos on that in the www...
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| Subject: | Re: Use of full synthetic oil with Avgas 100LL |
Roland,
I use Shell AX7 (semi synthetic) and worry more about my oil temps!!
I always use Avgas if the ambient temps are likely to be (30deg C or +) or (0deg
C or -). Otherwise super.
Barry
--------
Barry Tennant
D-EHBT
At EDLM - Germany
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Gents:
This is the oil developed by Shell & Rotax for use in Rotax 4-cycle engines. It's
semi-synthetic so it can be used with both MoGas & AvGas.
If you can get it, why use anything else?
Best regards,
Bob Borger
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 9xx oil |
Hi Bob,
It's my understanding that any quality branded 4stroke
motorcycle oil is recommended !
rgds
Jim
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
> Gents:
>
> This is the oil developed by Shell & Rotax for use in Rotax 4-cycle
> engines. It's semi-synthetic so it can be used with both MoGas & AvGas.
>
>
> If you can get it, why use anything else?
>
> Best regards,
> Bob Borger
>
> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 9xx oil |
Not exactly. There is a list of recommended oil brands and types. It isn't just
any 4-cycle motorcycle oil. It has to be non-foaming, with the correct gear
lube properties, etc.
AeroShell Sport Plus 4 is made specifically for the Rotax 9xx engines and is the
primary, #1, top-of-the-list oil recommendation. Why not use it?
Best regards,
Robert Borger, President
Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc.
Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
(H) 940-497-2123
(C) 817-992-1117
Sent from my iPad
> On May 5, 2014, at 10:38, James Kelly <europajimkelly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
> It's my understanding that any quality branded 4stroke motorcycle
oil is recommended !
>
> rgds
> Jim
>
>
>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
>> Gents:
>>
>> This is the oil developed by Shell & Rotax for use in Rotax 4-cycle engines.
It's semi-synthetic so it can be used with both MoGas & AvGas.
>>
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>> If you can get it, why use anything else?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bob Borger
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 9xx oil |
Dear Robert,
Your credentials are advice enough.
Thanks & Best Wishes
Jim
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
> Not exactly. There is a list of recommended oil brands and types. It
> isn't just any 4-cycle motorcycle oil. It has to be non-foaming, with the
> correct gear lube properties, etc.
>
> AeroShell Sport Plus 4 is made specifically for the Rotax 9xx engines and
> is the primary, #1, top-of-the-list oil recommendation. Why not use it?
>
> Best regards,
> Robert Borger, President
> Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc.
> Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> (H) 940-497-2123
> (C) 817-992-1117
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 5, 2014, at 10:38, James Kelly <europajimkelly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
> It's my understanding that any quality branded 4stroke
> motorcycle oil is recommended !
>
> rgds
> Jim
>
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Gents:
>>
>> This is the oil developed by Shell & Rotax for use in Rotax 4-cycle
>> engines. It's semi-synthetic so it can be used with both MoGas & AvGas.
>>
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>> If you can get it, why use anything else?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bob Borger
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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One reason could be : because it=92s the most expensive on the French
market.
I used it initially but changed for Yacco AVX 500 4T which is 15% less
expensive and also highly recommended by Ratox.
Max Cointe
<mailto:mcointe@free.fr> mcointe@free.fr
F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 490 hours
F-PLDJ Dyn=92A=E9ro MCR 4S
Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1600 heures
De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
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Borger
Envoy=E9 : lundi 5 mai 2014 18:01
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Objet : Re: Europa-List: Rotax 9xx oil
Not exactly. There is a list of recommended oil brands and types. It
isn't
just any 4-cycle motorcycle oil. It has to be non-foaming, with the
correct
gear lube properties, etc.
AeroShell Sport Plus 4 is made specifically for the Rotax 9xx engines
and is
the primary, #1, top-of-the-list oil recommendation. Why not use it?
Best regards,
Robert Borger, President
Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc.
Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
(H) 940-497-2123
(C) 817-992-1117
Sent from my iPad
On May 5, 2014, at 10:38, James Kelly <europajimkelly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,
It's my understanding that any quality branded 4stroke
motorcycle oil is recommended !
rgds
Jim
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
Gents:
This is the oil developed by Shell & Rotax for use in Rotax 4-cycle
engines.
It's semi-synthetic so it can be used with both MoGas & AvGas.
If you can get it, why use anything else?
Best regards,
Bob Borger
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 9xx oil |
=0AI suspect motorcycle oil is probably now difficient in ZDDP
(anti scuff agent needed if the valve gear, dog clutch et
c is to survive), but apparently now depleted because it poi
sons catalytic converters. Yes, some bikes do have those (eg
BMW). =0AZDDP is certainly depleted in modern car oil and it
's possible (for use with older engines) to buy the stuff
separately as an additive.=0A=0AI started with good quality m/c
oil but gave it up because the dog clutch used to screech
(you here that alot on shutdown of many Rotaxes). That issue
dissappeared as soon as I used the Shell Rotax stuff.=0A=0A
Duncan Mcf.=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: James Kelly
<europajimkelly@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com <europa-list@matr
onics.com>=0ASent: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:47=0ASubject: Re: Europa-Lis
t: Rotax 9xx oil=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Bob,=0A
It's my understanding that any quality branded 4stroke
motorcycle oil is recommended !=0A=0A=0Argds=0AJim=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn
Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
wrote:=0A=0AGents:=0A=0AThis is the oil developed by Shell & Rot
ax for use in Rotax 4-cycle engines. It's semi-synthetic so
it can be used with both MoGas & AvGas.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIf yo
u can get it, why use anything else?=0A=0ABest regards,=0ABob
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| Subject: | Rotax 9xx oil From the OTHER BOB .......BOB HARRISON |
G-PTAG
IMHO the recommended Shell M0-Cycle oil doesn=99t accommodate the
extreme cam lobe pressures on the prop- strike cams in front of the
gearbox evidenced by a unsatisfactory magnetic plug.
I am testing the use of a tin of Halfords extreme Pressure STP oil per
oil change, but heat it and mix it well before you put it in the engine.
I have about 150 hours now with no cam erosion and clean magnetic plug
since commencing this procedure.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Kelly
Sent: 05 May 2014 16:39
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 9xx oil
Hi Bob,
It's my understanding that any quality branded 4stroke
motorcycle oil is recommended !
rgds
Jim
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
Gents:
This is the oil developed by Shell & Rotax for use in Rotax 4-cycle
engines. It's semi-synthetic so it can be used with both MoGas & AvGas.
If you can get it, why use anything else?
Best regards,
Bob Borger
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 9xx oil |
I am using Aerolube from Skydrive -advertised for Rotax 912/914????=0A=0AKe
n Atkinson- G-CEKV=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "am
i-mcfadyean@talktalk.net" <ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net>=0ATo: europa-list@ma
tronics.com =0ASent: Monday, 5 May 2014, 20:53=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List:
Rotax 9xx oil=0A =0A=0A=0AI suspect motorcycle oil is probably now diffici
ent in ZDDP-(anti scuff agent needed if the valve gear, dog clutch etc-
is to survive), but-apparently now-depleted because it poisons catalyti
c converters. Yes, some bikes do have those (eg BMW). =0AZDDP is certainly
depleted in modern car oil and it's possible (for use with older engines)
to buy the stuff separately as an additive. =0A=0AI started with good quali
ty m/c oil but gave it up because the dog clutch used to screech (you here
that alot on shutdown of many Rotaxes). That issue dissappeared as soon as
I used the Shell Rotax stuff. =0A=0ADuncan Mcf.=0A=0A=0A =0A-----Original M
essage-----=0AFrom: James Kelly <europajimkelly@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-lis
t@matronics.com <europa-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:47
=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 9xx oil=0A=0A=0AHi Bob, =0A----
----------- It's my understanding that any quality br
anded 4stroke motorcycle oil is recommended ! =0A =0Argds =0AJim =0A=0A=0A
=0AOn Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
=0A=0AGents:=0A>=0A>This is the oil developed by Shell & Rotax for use in R
otax 4-cycle engines. -It's semi-synthetic so it can be used with both Mo
Gas & AvGas.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>If you can get it, why use anything else?
=0A>=0A>Best regards,=0A>Bob Borger=0A>=0A>Sent from my iPad=0A>=0A> =0A
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