---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/07/14: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:48 AM - Latest Edict from The CAA ref charity flights........ (Bob Harrison) 2. 07:36 AM - Twitter/facebook () 3. 08:40 AM - Re: facebook or twitter (Frans Veldman) 4. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Noisy Comm Radio (Frans Veldman) 5. 09:30 AM - Re: facebook or twitter (Ivor Phillips) 6. 10:08 AM - Re: facebook or twitter (goff) 7. 12:39 PM - Re: facebook or twitter (Rowland Carson) 8. 12:47 PM - Re: facebook or twitter (Timward) 9. 12:47 PM - Re: facebook or twitter (Andrew Sarangan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:52 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Latest Edict from The CAA ref charity flights........ Hi! All, I thought we would be due to some common sense revelations from big brother on the questions of charity flights for Permit To Fly Aircraft but I should have thought otherwise! "Case by case basis rules"! 7 The Annexes do NOT provide for the carriage of passengers on charity flights in: a. Powered aircraft which do not hold a valid Certificate of Airworthiness (a Permit to Fly is not acceptable); b. powered aeroplanes from unlicensed aerodromes; c. gliders that do not hold a valid Certificate of Airworthiness unless the airworthiness of the glider has been established to the satisfaction of the BGA; d. hang gliders, paragliders and microlights, including powered parachutes. Specific requests will be considered by the CAA before a decision is made, on a case by case basis Regards Bob Harrison ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:46 AM PST US From: Subject: Europa-List: Twitter/facebook Cheers, Having read about the manipulation of data on both of these, and their inherent limitations, I will not "sign into, subscribe or join" either of them - but will continue to support the Europalist as manfully constructed by Matt Dralle. The only thing to change is underwear. Ferg C-FFGG ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:43 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: facebook or twitter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/06/2014 07:50 PM, g-fizy wrote: > > Can i just throw a thought out to you all ,should we move to > facebook or twitter ,, I am not a big fan of this old style forum > ,,perhaps we could bring this up at the AGM :-) Hell no! I don't and won't have a facebook account. They are nor interested in you, nor in airplanes. They are only interested in money in whatever way they can get it. They sell everything a healthy individual would consider "private". Have seen the "like-buttons" everywhere? They act as little spies: once you are in their system they can track whatever website you visit, what your interests are, etc. Have noticed their stock value? Divide that by the amount of users and you will find that each individual user is worth about 150 US$. That is what some unknown parties pay them to obtain all your data and statistics. George Orwell was an optimist, only about 30 years too early. I don't care if individuals give away their privacy to facebook to let them collect 150 US$ for it, but I don't want to be part of this system. That means that once this forum is moved to facebook it will be without me. Frans -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTak91AAoJEC+zXxqs0ZzV/qwQANqt8MeNRIkCuaE5VbpbuTv/ V0D0d6RzYnB2FrrPkjwE9ae7mzIT9Ghtbo3U+r2pELbDQJdr+p52EobpqxF08Bgp iQ50w1SEWJtTtps8WwikDp0gHG6NCYNcjemDC0nB7TvEi67sMaUmcoKqyIdY0eKG UzsV0SFuwqealPWX1l6+zFPOhKObEl0cHFRDRguw0o6eZgG9upu0e1TrrDgaos5C J+bAmWt3lqgF2awCTyJdTLDQWHLV+j34tXef61CIwGQ5DYNJd8rY7Pe3kthzvlxT UwpzYFJGc5Nsk3CfgWOg9PbNs0zb0yl0ssCPME50k1WgM6O2fyBuUkAlN52xFDiF kEcz4eNRUGguPddFStO7YjypizLGZvR4GaP8ABxytpNTa9Y/25iax/40wU1/bCul Eja3gCTpQoPyLlMgI8N2gD+2s1jqOiTpzbVB6SCd3FRykTwmR1tuEMPQ+nGiV3DD dMMqKnjrDmWuDA6uE95+ZJLZBdO+tg3hz0d1jCivgDslP502t7ZB4fGaZFtu9zyx gST/Yvlnd7O8IPnByCCUi7netfIaWk6x1RnzFwawIJ+pTmo67jfrrqbaTWQ71o9M 1MUcCZ65T+jUyvnxM3EUedTwMAMhqnxj8ZjfAPBWuOQ0vanUZah8De/rPOS5F3tk vvWlSiVf1g0HafIHYU9s =hCSM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:20 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Noisy Comm Radio -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/06/2014 12:50 PM, Troy Maynor wrote: > > > I tried all the things suggested except the SWR check... Well this is important. While you can get away for a light bulb with just checking for proper connection and shorts, for RF things are more complicated and not measurable with standard multimeters. You can't measure moisture that has creeped into the coax spongy insulation, but it would ruin the SWR and cause the coax to act as an antenna rather than just a transporter. The same with kinks or other damages. Or metal objects that are just a bit too close to the antenna and causing the antenna to refuse to radiate and instead bouncing the energy back into the coax cable. Bottomline is that your problem looks like an SWR problem and if you don't measure this, you won't get nearer to a solution. > I am planning to replace the RG58 with RG400 from the radio rack to > the Bob Archer antenna on the port bulkhead aft. RG400 is a waste of money so is the Bob Archer antenna. Just stick to the RG58 and a standard dipole antenna. Fancy cables are intended for losless transmission of frequencies in the GHz range over longer distances, neither property is valid for your aircraft. For aircraft purposes, nothing beats the good old dipole antenna (unless there is not enough space for it but luckily in our Europa's a dipole fits just fine in the sternpost and this is also the maximum distance away from our sensitive equipment in the cockpit). No antenna can produce "gain" without taking energy away from certain directions. But in your airplane you don't want to favour certain bearings at the cost of other bearings so a dipole is the ultimate radiator for your ship. Think of a radiator as a light bulb. Sure there are lenses and reflectors and you can produce "gain" with it, but is this really what you want in an airplane? > So my questions now are: 1. Should I put ferrite torroids on both > my electric attitude ind. and turn coord. power wires? Probably not. These devices were designed for use in an airplane, and virtually every airplane has a radio. It is unlikely the manufacturer of your attitude indicator has "forgotten" to incorporate ferrite torroids in their cables or even specs. If your system works as intended, torroids are not needed anywhere else than on the end of your coax cable. (They were included in the Europa radio plan to adapt the asymmetric coax cable to the symmetric dipole). > 2. Should I run a separate ground wire from the radio to the > battery itself. No. With a properly working antenna no RF is transported than via the coax cable. The ground wire will only transport DC. But of course, if your antenna (or the cable connecting it to your radio) is malfunctioning the RF energy is desparate to find a way out and will radiate over the ground wire, causing all kinds of interesting effects in adjacent equipment which is now fed by RF rather than by DC. > 3. The Sigtronics intercom wires weren't shielded. Do they need to > be wrapped up in some kind of shield foil or braid? Consult their manual. These things are designed for use in an airplane with radio's. If the manufacturer doesn't specify this, it should not be needed in a properly working system. > I am also trying to find a new 90 degree coax fitting that fits the > ICOM rack. This rings bells. Why do you need a new one? Or did you bend the coax instead? You are probably not aware, but the distance between the center of the coax and the outer shield is a crucial property of the cable. Bend the cable and the center conductor will get closer to the outer shield, ruining the impedance of the cable and causing all sorts of problems. One other test you can do: obtain a dummy load. This is just a fairly big resistor of 50 ohms (It needs to be manufactured for RF use, other resistors are just a wire coiled up but this is not suitable for RF). It converts the radio energy into heat instead of radiation. Connect it directly to the radio and transmit. Most likely the problem is gone. Connect it to your coax cable instead of the antenna and test again. Is the problem still gone? Then your antenna is the problem. Does the problem reoccur? Then the cable is faulty. Succes with troubleshooting! Frans -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTalqmAAoJEC+zXxqs0ZzVaFEQAIpx/2dbc5QlAQ0Yv15/Nn2J Yx4GceJDbr9lnalpXLnSkztZYz3XPNK8rV9mcaJWShw4cEZTEav0A+ES0CEZEZGG pk434BdmETHX2q9iWY88jd0hGE4hs/y6gV88hd7BaKDMRr/LyndNlAoQj1ufhDDC DhHqwgxUHnfDWaZoK/LDOFVWpWY397ZUTA5YHXsxgtVDLuwrJqSxSbKFc/U83j/b 38mZBfgd6x3OHnIyH8po2oidYVV33RFu9BAjP733a97zQtnD7OP0WLe1R+ypf3v4 zb7d025oaebDDmj/2RsWfdPJ94J2yGbc39AohRgVWe3NtjnjZ7j+qmaQyh3htivC f9ig42PkBlE1bC7zlkpXDrnGQ9hPUC4dBMzwWM+te0FaCDQPQjdQoKzjk7ZWO4Hg MI0aZqQoa28mJwwPIXdhqXJfw1NDB1ZUUt6E0LcNaGwX5IHLcjfLajZcwYsxOmgd yAkMyrrWk9pbyFcJFYqelYfElTIG+YV1/AWgdcHL7pcG97zxgB4jsiWruQu+iciR a6CeWsKYMQxe3G0nI5VdHQeswQESfA3aQ+ARMVv/z1CShRUAmCXwR6JLmyp6JIEx YVDgr1hSGWCs3jxGcHbDs5mveMBYctj7uZ+tTCQY36wj3Iho85LV8mIyeJletLmE 9mXXSD/Gj6xpg+LflB/Q =/D8d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: facebook or twitter From: Ivor Phillips Exactly has Frans put it! You wouldn't see me using face book or twitter, Emails may now be old hat but they work for me and with a decent search engine for past topics Much more user friendly IMO Ivor Phillips Sent from my iPad > On 7 May 2014, at 16:21, Frans Veldman wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > >> On 05/06/2014 07:50 PM, g-fizy wrote: >> >> Can i just throw a thought out to you all ,should we move to >> facebook or twitter ,, I am not a big fan of this old style forum >> ,,perhaps we could bring this up at the AGM :-) > > Hell no! I don't and won't have a facebook account. They are nor > interested in you, nor in airplanes. They are only interested in money > in whatever way they can get it. They sell everything a healthy > individual would consider "private". Have seen the "like-buttons" > everywhere? They act as little spies: once you are in their system > they can track whatever website you visit, what your interests are, etc. > Have noticed their stock value? Divide that by the amount of users and > you will find that each individual user is worth about 150 US$. That > is what some unknown parties pay them to obtain all your data and > statistics. > George Orwell was an optimist, only about 30 years too early. > > I don't care if individuals give away their privacy to facebook to let > them collect 150 US$ for it, but I don't want to be part of this > system. That means that once this forum is moved to facebook it will > be without me. > > Frans > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTak91AAoJEC+zXxqs0ZzV/qwQANqt8MeNRIkCuaE5VbpbuTv/ > V0D0d6RzYnB2FrrPkjwE9ae7mzIT9Ghtbo3U+r2pELbDQJdr+p52EobpqxF08Bgp > iQ50w1SEWJtTtps8WwikDp0gHG6NCYNcjemDC0nB7TvEi67sMaUmcoKqyIdY0eKG > UzsV0SFuwqealPWX1l6+zFPOhKObEl0cHFRDRguw0o6eZgG9upu0e1TrrDgaos5C > J+bAmWt3lqgF2awCTyJdTLDQWHLV+j34tXef61CIwGQ5DYNJd8rY7Pe3kthzvlxT > UwpzYFJGc5Nsk3CfgWOg9PbNs0zb0yl0ssCPME50k1WgM6O2fyBuUkAlN52xFDiF > kEcz4eNRUGguPddFStO7YjypizLGZvR4GaP8ABxytpNTa9Y/25iax/40wU1/bCul > Eja3gCTpQoPyLlMgI8N2gD+2s1jqOiTpzbVB6SCd3FRykTwmR1tuEMPQ+nGiV3DD > dMMqKnjrDmWuDA6uE95+ZJLZBdO+tg3hz0d1jCivgDslP502t7ZB4fGaZFtu9zyx > gST/Yvlnd7O8IPnByCCUi7netfIaWk6x1RnzFwawIJ+pTmo67jfrrqbaTWQ71o9M > 1MUcCZ65T+jUyvnxM3EUedTwMAMhqnxj8ZjfAPBWuOQ0vanUZah8De/rPOS5F3tk > vvWlSiVf1g0HafIHYU9s > =hCSM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: facebook or twitter From: "goff" I use both Facebook and Twitter daily. But vote we stay on Matronics. Goff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422968#422968 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: facebook or twitter From: Rowland Carson On 6 May 2014, at 18:50, g-fizy wrote: > Can i just throw a thought out to you all ,should we move to facebook or twitter ,, I am not a big fan of this old style forum ,,perhaps we could bring this up at the AGM :-) Jim - presumably that would be the AGM of Matronics, Inc - the organisation that controls and runs the Europa e-mail list. (The Europa Club has no control over the list - we did provide archive files to Matronics from the earlier period when the Club _did_ run the list, but that is where the Club's involvement ended.) I imagine you have a plan whereby the archives of the Europa list would be transferred to whichever new tool you favour, and arrangements for that new tool to provide similar search facilities as those provided by Matronics. I suppose you have also figured out a persuasive argument that will make it clear to Matt Dralle (head man at Matronics) how advantageous to him your new proposal will be, to ensure that he takes down the Europa list and archives from his servers. If "no" to any of the above, then you're just going to be fragmenting the Europa community rather than doing anyone a favour. And even if you can answer "yes" to all those questions, and have got Matt's agreement to take down his list and archives, it's clear that most folk who have voiced an opinion are unlikely to follow you anyway - we'll just set up another e-mail list somewhere else! My personal feeling is that neither Twitter nor FaceBook is a suitable platform for a technical discussion forum. Unlike many other posters here, I subscribe to both, so I am not talking from a position of complete ignorance. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:05 PM PST US From: Timward Subject: Re: Europa-List: facebook or twitter Well said Frans. I am of the same opinion. Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 > On 8/05/2014, at 3:21 am, Frans Veldman wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > >> On 05/06/2014 07:50 PM, g-fizy wrote: >> >> Can i just throw a thought out to you all ,should we move to >> facebook or twitter ,, I am not a big fan of this old style forum >> ,,perhaps we could bring this up at the AGM :-) > > Hell no! I don't and won't have a facebook account. They are nor > interested in you, nor in airplanes. They are only interested in money > in whatever way they can get it. They sell everything a healthy > individual would consider "private". Have seen the "like-buttons" > everywhere? They act as little spies: once you are in their system > they can track whatever website you visit, what your interests are, etc. > Have noticed their stock value? Divide that by the amount of users and > you will find that each individual user is worth about 150 US$. That > is what some unknown parties pay them to obtain all your data and > statistics. > George Orwell was an optimist, only about 30 years too early. > > I don't care if individuals give away their privacy to facebook to let > them collect 150 US$ for it, but I don't want to be part of this > system. That means that once this forum is moved to facebook it will > be without me. > > Frans > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTak91AAoJEC+zXxqs0ZzV/qwQANqt8MeNRIkCuaE5VbpbuTv/ > V0D0d6RzYnB2FrrPkjwE9ae7mzIT9Ghtbo3U+r2pELbDQJdr+p52EobpqxF08Bgp > iQ50w1SEWJtTtps8WwikDp0gHG6NCYNcjemDC0nB7TvEi67sMaUmcoKqyIdY0eKG > UzsV0SFuwqealPWX1l6+zFPOhKObEl0cHFRDRguw0o6eZgG9upu0e1TrrDgaos5C > J+bAmWt3lqgF2awCTyJdTLDQWHLV+j34tXef61CIwGQ5DYNJd8rY7Pe3kthzvlxT > UwpzYFJGc5Nsk3CfgWOg9PbNs0zb0yl0ssCPME50k1WgM6O2fyBuUkAlN52xFDiF > kEcz4eNRUGguPddFStO7YjypizLGZvR4GaP8ABxytpNTa9Y/25iax/40wU1/bCul > Eja3gCTpQoPyLlMgI8N2gD+2s1jqOiTpzbVB6SCd3FRykTwmR1tuEMPQ+nGiV3DD > dMMqKnjrDmWuDA6uE95+ZJLZBdO+tg3hz0d1jCivgDslP502t7ZB4fGaZFtu9zyx > gST/Yvlnd7O8IPnByCCUi7netfIaWk6x1RnzFwawIJ+pTmo67jfrrqbaTWQ71o9M > 1MUcCZ65T+jUyvnxM3EUedTwMAMhqnxj8ZjfAPBWuOQ0vanUZah8De/rPOS5F3tk > vvWlSiVf1g0HafIHYU9s > =hCSM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:05 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Re: Europa-List: facebook or twitter Facebook has always surprised me with the huge number of buttons you have to press to do simple things, and having to reload the entire page after each click. Email can be read with an ascii browser such as lynx. The versatility of email cannot be beaten, yet. On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Ivor Phillips wrote: > > Exactly has Frans put it! You wouldn't see me using face book or twitter, > Emails may now be old hat but they work for me and with a decent search engine for past topics > Much more user friendly IMO > Ivor Phillips > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 7 May 2014, at 16:21, Frans Veldman wrote: >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >>> On 05/06/2014 07:50 PM, g-fizy wrote: >>> >>> Can i just throw a thought out to you all ,should we move to >>> facebook or twitter ,, I am not a big fan of this old style forum >>> ,,perhaps we could bring this up at the AGM :-) >> >> Hell no! I don't and won't have a facebook account. They are nor >> interested in you, nor in airplanes. They are only interested in money >> in whatever way they can get it. They sell everything a healthy >> individual would consider "private". Have seen the "like-buttons" >> everywhere? They act as little spies: once you are in their system >> they can track whatever website you visit, what your interests are, etc. >> Have noticed their stock value? Divide that by the amount of users and >> you will find that each individual user is worth about 150 US$. That >> is what some unknown parties pay them to obtain all your data and >> statistics. >> George Orwell was an optimist, only about 30 years too early. >> >> I don't care if individuals give away their privacy to facebook to let >> them collect 150 US$ for it, but I don't want to be part of this >> system. That means that once this forum is moved to facebook it will >> be without me. >> >> Frans >> >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTak91AAoJEC+zXxqs0ZzV/qwQANqt8MeNRIkCuaE5VbpbuTv/ >> V0D0d6RzYnB2FrrPkjwE9ae7mzIT9Ghtbo3U+r2pELbDQJdr+p52EobpqxF08Bgp >> iQ50w1SEWJtTtps8WwikDp0gHG6NCYNcjemDC0nB7TvEi67sMaUmcoKqyIdY0eKG >> UzsV0SFuwqealPWX1l6+zFPOhKObEl0cHFRDRguw0o6eZgG9upu0e1TrrDgaos5C >> J+bAmWt3lqgF2awCTyJdTLDQWHLV+j34tXef61CIwGQ5DYNJd8rY7Pe3kthzvlxT >> UwpzYFJGc5Nsk3CfgWOg9PbNs0zb0yl0ssCPME50k1WgM6O2fyBuUkAlN52xFDiF >> kEcz4eNRUGguPddFStO7YjypizLGZvR4GaP8ABxytpNTa9Y/25iax/40wU1/bCul >> Eja3gCTpQoPyLlMgI8N2gD+2s1jqOiTpzbVB6SCd3FRykTwmR1tuEMPQ+nGiV3DD >> dMMqKnjrDmWuDA6uE95+ZJLZBdO+tg3hz0d1jCivgDslP502t7ZB4fGaZFtu9zyx >> gST/Yvlnd7O8IPnByCCUi7netfIaWk6x1RnzFwawIJ+pTmo67jfrrqbaTWQ71o9M >> 1MUcCZ65T+jUyvnxM3EUedTwMAMhqnxj8ZjfAPBWuOQ0vanUZah8De/rPOS5F3tk >> vvWlSiVf1g0HafIHYU9s >> =hCSM >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.