---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/18/14: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:42 AM - Re: facebook or twitter (jonathanmilbank) 2. 01:47 AM - Re: airplast pv50 problem (g-fizy) 3. 02:31 AM - Re: Re: airplast pv50 problem (Pete Lawless) 4. 04:12 AM - Re: airplast pv50 problem (g-fizy) 5. 04:37 AM - Re: Re: airplast pv50 problem (Pete Lawless) 6. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/16/14 (Bud Yerly) 7. 02:27 PM - Facebook/Twitter (graeme bird) 8. 02:48 PM - Re: Facebook/Twitter (Gerry Holland) 9. 03:38 PM - Re: Facebook/Twitter (Pete) 10. 04:34 PM - Re: Facebook/Twitter (g-fizy) 11. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Facebook/Twitter (duanefamly@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:24 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: facebook or twitter From: "jonathanmilbank" Count me out of both Facebook and Twitter. They lack "gravitas". Great for the "chattering classes", but we're a cut above all that childish stuff. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423394#423394 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:49 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: airplast pv50 problem From: "g-fizy" Fixed ,,Thanks for all of the advice I tested the prop motor using a pp9 battery and it worked fine ,it turns out ,that when the feed wife broke ,my actions to repair the wire caused the wire rod to be incorrectly located so no power was going to the motor ,i had to cycle the prop so i could relocate it correctly ,the method of connecting the wire to the moving part is not the best ,l will have to keep an eye on that one regards jim -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423395#423395 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:12 AM PST US From: Pete Lawless Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: airplast pv50 problem Hi Jim Have you ever managed to get any sense out of Arplast? I quite fancy a PV50 if I ever need to replace my NSI but the Arplast website is unhelpful and I understand from others that the company never respond to enquiries. Regards Pete G-RMAC #109 On 18/05/14 09:44, g-fizy wrote: > > Fixed ,,Thanks for all of the advice I tested the prop motor using a pp9 battery and it worked fine ,it turns out ,that when the feed wife broke ,my actions to repair the wire caused the wire rod to be incorrectly located so no power was going to the motor ,i had to cycle the prop so i could relocate it correctly ,the method of connecting the wire to the moving part is not the best ,l will have to keep an eye on that one > > regards jim > > -------- > owner g-fizy > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423395#423395 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:12 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: airplast pv50 problem From: "g-fizy" Hi pete I have not tried after reading some not very nice comments about the company ,i have read that the australian agent is very helpfull but the lack of backup worries All I can say is when it works it works it's like changing gear in the air lol If I had to replace it I would look at the backup first Regards jim me pete(at)lawless.info wrote: > Hi Jim > > Have you ever managed to get any sense out of Arplast? > > I quite fancy a PV50 if I ever need to replace my NSI but the Arplast > website is unhelpful and I understand from others that the company never > respond to enquiries. > > Regards > > Pete > G-RMAC #109 > > On 18/05/14 09:44, g-fizy wrote: > > > > > > > Fixed ,,Thanks for all of the advice I tested the prop motor using a pp9 battery and it worked fine ,it turns out ,that when the feed wife broke ,my actions to repair the wire caused the wire rod to be incorrectly located so no power was going to the motor ,i had to cycle the prop so i could relocate it correctly ,the method of connecting the wire to the moving part is not the best ,l will have to keep an eye on that one > > > > regards jim > > > > -------- > > owner g-fizy > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423395#423395 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423398#423398 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:26 AM PST US From: Pete Lawless Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: airplast pv50 problem Jim My NSI CAP140 is VP. With a 912ul and only 80hp it is an essential to operate from short strips. I have found good support from AirMaster in NZ, they provided me with one of their spinners plus all the ancillaries (and fitting suggestions) to replace the non symmetrical Europa classic offering. It fitted my NSI perfectly. Trouble is NZ is as far from the UK as you can get and the concept of having to get support for Arplast from Australia, when you could drive to the factory in France in just a few hours, seems absolutely crazy. I am just surprised there is no UK agent since Jerry packed up a few years back. There seem to be plenty of Arplast used by the microlight folks so they must get support from somewhere. Regards Pete On 18/05/14 12:11, g-fizy wrote: > > Hi pete I have not tried after reading some not very nice comments about the company ,i have read that the australian agent is very helpfull but the lack of backup worries > > All I can say is when it works it works it's like changing gear in the air lol > > If I had to replace it I would look at the backup first > > Regards jim > > me > pete(at)lawless.info wrote: >> Hi Jim >> >> Have you ever managed to get any sense out of Arplast? >> >> I quite fancy a PV50 if I ever need to replace my NSI but the Arplast >> website is unhelpful and I understand from others that the company never >> respond to enquiries. >> >> Regards >> >> Pete >> G-RMAC #109 >> >> On 18/05/14 09:44, g-fizy wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Fixed ,,Thanks for all of the advice I tested the prop motor using a pp9 battery and it worked fine ,it turns out ,that when the feed wife broke ,my actions to repair the wire caused the wire rod to be incorrectly located so no power was going to the motor ,i had to cycle the prop so i could relocate it correctly ,the method of connecting the wire to the moving part is not the best ,l will have to keep an eye on that one >>> >>> regards jim >>> >>> -------- >>> owner g-fizy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423395#423395 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > -------- > owner g-fizy > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423398#423398 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:58 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/16/14 Graham and all those working=2C I can attest to the exhaust gas ingestion=2C especially if you installed th e NACA ducts supplied by the factory in the side of the aircraft forward of the windscreen at half height down the fuselage. The exhaust is a direct cockpit entry into the port NACA due to prop wash. Exhaust follows from th e tailpipe up and over the port wing root. I have the round vents in my corner of the windscreen glass and have instal led them just under the glass on many of my owners aircraft and have no pro blem there. The exhaust does not quite get that high even at high angles o f attack. That said=2C I have my cockpit vented to the rear=2C as without it you lose some of the ram effect of the cockpit vents. That said=2C note that I sea l my wing roots=2C my firewall and center tunnel are sealed completely and I find that my D panel actually pulls air out of the cockpit. The door sea ls work well enough on my aircraft that little leaks out of the cabin. As set up I have installed cockpit static pressure bypass valves in many of ou r aircraft and found the maximum error to be less than 50 feet and 2 knots to the XS static port. GPS runs confirm that the airspeed is quite accurat e using the XS pitot static tube. That said=2C the mono tends to be a bit drafty. On Jim Browns mono the ins pection holes in the module and around the brake handle were really drafty. In fact it was like ram air. Seals helped in the winter. So I think the re are more than a few reasons to test any non standard static port very th oroughly as each aircraft and builder is different. I would suggest a leng thy series of tests be accomplished or since the XS position of the static port is near ideal and factory confirmed=2C use it. I have tested different pitot static lines and frankly I have used from 1/1 6 ID to 1/4 inch ID tubes and found them all to work. They just have to ha ve tight connections. AC 43.13 1a and b covers testing and standard practi ces (everyone should down load the 43 series for reference and insomnia). The only requirement is that the pitot inlet to the free air stream be 1/4 inch OD but the tubing in the aircraft is unspecified. Static positions are determined by the manufacturer. Line size is determin ed by the manufacturer. Most RV and Certified builders use 1/4 inch Nylafl ow or aluminum line and the various connectors joints=2C elbows=2C sealants etc. Flexible tubing is fine also. Europa uses the 3mm polyurethane and I use the 1/8 ID 1/4 OD polyurethane tube as it is readily available and fi ts 1/8 barbs. Bottom Line: If it isn't broke why fix it. The tubing and connectors supplied by Europa works fine for me. Bud From: grahamsingleton@btinternet.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/16/14 I can verify that on the Classic I used to fly=2C flaps down at low speed y ou could smell exhaust fumes in the cockpit. Graham From: "f.kyle@sympatico.ca" To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday=2C 17 May 2014=2C 19:38 Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/16/14 --> Europa-List=0A message posted by: Cheers=2C Lance's message below reminded me that we had discussed cockpit versus aft fuse pressures before. It has been almost unanimous that it's higher out back than in front. HOWEVER=2C have we measured the two pressure s against ambient ouside? maybe cockpit is lower than ambient=2C perhaps afte is higher than ambient - perhaps they are either side of ambient- or both over - or under? It seems to me that we should establish which is who=2C and then decide what to use in the discussion. Open to Flames....... Ferg C-FFGG still in the hangar In OZ=2C in the strictly controlled era prior to experimental regulations =2C (pre 1999). Our Civil aviation released an Airworthiness Directive for Europa Aircraft stating there should be no airflow between the=0A cockpit and the rear fuselage. Their concern was=2C with the pressure rear of the bulkh ead being higher than the cockpit=2C engine exhaust could be drawn into the rea r fuselage via the flap slots and find its way into the cockpit. This AD was withdrawn with the advent of experimental aviation with responsibility bein g handed to the builder. Sorry I cant find the copy I thought I had. Regards Lance Sandford in OZ On 14/05/14 03:49=2C Frans Veldman wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 05/13/2014 12:07 AM=2C Tony Renshaw wrote: >> >> >> Hi Fran's=2C I expect the pressure in the aft fuselage might be more >> representative than cockpit pressure=2C > Not in my airplane. In my airplane the aft fuselage seems to be=0A of > higher pressure than the cockpit. I installed a vent in the D-panel > with the intention to let the air out=2C but it is blowing into the > cockpit instead! I have no idea where the air is leaving again as > every opening in the cockpit seems to be blowing inward (and yes my > doors are sealed with a center pin arrangement). Also I don't > understand why the aft fuselage is pressurised. The main openings in > the aft fuselage are the tailplane drive slots but it looks to me they > are in a low pressure area. The slots for the flap drive are covered > by the wing root fairings so they are normally sealed in flight. The > only other openings are the small openings for the rudder cable and > one small opening in the sternpost for the rudder drive rod. > >> Believe it or not I have this Nylaflow? Tubing=2C the hard walled >> opaque stuff from ACS=2C and it makes an=0A excellent push to fit. I am >> tempted to use the 3/8" OD inside a 3/8" ID joiner=2C and just push >> them together. Very un-aviation=2C but if you've ever done it=2C you'll >> appreciate how hard they are to pull apart=2C and no vibration is >> going to do it. > I have used this equipment to plumb my entire pitot/static system. > Only for the wing to fuselage connection I use the "official" quick > (dis)connect fittings. I agree that it is great stuff. > > Frans > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTclsVAAoJEC+zXxqs0ZzV4QMQAM8lZZfm0CN/lTVxa88gMBJP > 3xbNZBOlUmC+04u+Kl8C8c9UfqpAH17aCRsKRz4GK6wDdsbvwwjGJI9nHVkGx8Vm > 9u9ZzA0MnK3V5Heuw+w361689m8k/Y8fZS/iDVFE9bWjDtFEzI8ME/YpYYaXgEiq > G3C62gq1GOHFJAE1+gK1Gnjjus+6gqBShRomHqu+EgbysXsuOJ6r4NV5cu29fAbc >=0A 1g+WFNWkuh1Y/70d6X/qIepYecHzAWZNDK5KSlh58xXMote19pVlAHuvlmul+7PR > qy/ilQqRyFbK98vQI0harYajRjFRd4MQu7EKYmYwaJgQFSkAvjMQpjPhJVagVokA > 08g+kNuHnPaTZ7V+QF0KTH/v1BtSNKCdRSr2I+y4jbvk+zrLdIgs4E/8M7MVXL2p > xu1jTbn3j+f5L0s/Th0oUbfcddEXy/aokFyJI8W2fVZiE8L1bdQlvO8CHjIFFkEs > cnoYSyDrlQo4SiTyvbKYUM+qGWeOs4Ob0ELus9BnU5L71+Z7BX2wdqwiNCMjJLa8 > QWqnnU3C1kNU/siIoMdCjzlN/f3O+JlWuJZR9/SXP9zQ/EADRPOjTJjfGMhNeQXG > PPOJ8654zw/xx95KfAbjSu6bTOyl9GmI1DsNdV4Q9t5qyVdvdfRpUGPA7ekk7/8f > ICHdYmmg2VudTdUacrM7 > =LAm1 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Search & Download=2C 7-Day Browse=2C Chat=2C=0A gt=3B http://forums.matronics.com =3B -Matt Dralcontribution"=0A ====== =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:25 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Facebook/Twitter From: "graeme bird" I am surprised at some of the responses to the FB/Twitter question, perhaps it reflects the average age? I find FB a great tool for sharing flying trips and posting pics of trips and pics of people I take up; which they often then make their profile pics for a while. Spooling through the reams of repeated text and even encrypted text and blank lines on this, its obvious its not that efficient and stuck in the teletype erra. Posting pics on here is also a pain to resize them. When I was reading the recent Europa mag as well I was thinking there has to be something more immediate, dynamic and digestible. Don't get me wrong, I like both the mag and the forum; but such a negative (and snobby) response, I find surprising, perhaps we should explore and let the next generation into our club. What will this link do? https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152850833555715.1073741916.754055714&type=1&l=287f782aa7 -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 105 hours 26 months on the Mono g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423417#423417 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:53 PM PST US From: Gerry Holland Subject: Re: Europa-List: Facebook/Twitter Graeme I fail to see how the label 'snobby' applies to the comments regarding take up of FB or Twitter. Most including my own were based on the invasive way both of those media types can come across with superfluous material. There are many photo gallery Websites that can display as per your FB Page. Can you name some individuals that have not purchased a Europa or joined the Club as it hasn't invoked FB or Twitter? Nothing is stopping that next generation..... Gerry Curmudgeon and generally a miserable old sod! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Facebook/Twitter From: Pete Pics are always great, but I'd love to see many more wide angle go-pro style vids on YouTube .... there are sadly extremely few from Europa's. Vids are very motivational for the builders among us :-) Cheers, Pete > On May 18, 2014, at 5:26 PM, "graeme bird" wrote: > > > I am surprised at some of the responses to the FB/Twitter question, perhaps it reflects the average age? > I find FB a great tool for sharing flying trips and posting pics of trips and pics of people I take up; which they often then make their profile pics for a while. > Spooling through the reams of repeated text and even encrypted text and blank lines on this, its obvious its not that efficient and stuck in the teletype erra. Posting pics on here is also a pain to resize them. When I was reading the recent Europa mag as well I was thinking there has to be something more immediate, dynamic and digestible. Don't get me wrong, I like both the mag and the forum; but such a negative (and snobby) response, I find surprising, perhaps we should explore and let the next generation into our club. > > What will this link do? > > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152850833555715.1073741916.754055714&type=1&l=287f782aa7 > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY > Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W > Newby: 105 hours 26 months on the Mono > g(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423417#423417 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:59 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Facebook/Twitter From: "g-fizy" I never thought so many would dislike facebook or twitter ,i consider my self a old git at 55 but have always been a tech head ,i hope some who wish to will use facebook or twitter ,to post europa pictures and interesting non techno europa info we mite pic up some more interested budding pilots regards jim my facebook link facebook.com/jim.davis.5811877 -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423422#423422 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Facebook/Twitter From: duanefamly@aol.com I don't see why we can't run both.......then allow those that are comfortab le with either one use the one they like......I believe this would allow fo r even more information sharing.....especially photos and videos. Mike Duane -----Original Message----- From: g-fizy Sent: Sun, May 18, 2014 4:35 pm Subject: Europa-List: Re: Facebook/Twitter I never thought so many would dislike facebook or twitter ,i consider my se lf a old git at 55 but have always been a tech head ,i hope some who wish to wil l use facebook or twitter ,to post europa pictures and interesting non techno eur opa info we mite pic up some more interested budding pilots regards jim my facebook link facebook.com/jim.davis.5811877 -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423422#423422 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.