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1. 01:56 AM - Stupidity of Facebook thread (DAVID JOYCE)
2. 04:01 AM - RAeC honours Ian Rickard (Europaul383)
3. 04:01 AM - Re: Stupidity of Facebook thread (Brian Davies)
4. 05:08 AM - Re: RAeC honours Ian Rickard (Roland)
5. 07:30 AM - Re: nev eyre contact number (jonathanmilbank)
6. 07:50 AM - Re: RAeC honours Ian Rickard (Mike Gamble)
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| Subject: | Stupidity of Facebook thread |
-Its not often I feel the need to voice my views or opinions, but followi
ng this debate / tirade / witch hunt I think its now about time we closed i
t off and returned to list normality...=0A=0AJust to put a few things strai
ght this the matronics list is an invaluable source of knowledge, diversity
, friendship and camaraderie. These type of lists have been around for a lo
ng time, longer of course than the current batch of social networking (FB e
tc) however I well remember the reticence associated with these lists at th
e time.=0A=0AFacebook and Twitter are quite simply the current holders of t
he trend and human need for communication, these are certain to loose this
position of current favourites-as and when something new comes along, its
happened many times in History, Photography that was alleged to steal the
sole, Radio, Television and indeed even our own beloved Aviation have all h
ad the same views expressed as I see being levelled at social Networking, i
t would appear that Ludditeism is indeed still alive!=0A=0ATo clarify a cou
ple of issues (understandable as the protagonists clearly have no experienc
e of the medium), Facebook and twitter is self regulating and very simple,
if you post information, Photographs, Videos or opinions it is only viewed
by the people that you give permission to view them PLEASE READ THAT AGAIN,
this facility is not available through this valuable and irreplaceable for
um. The current crop of social medias are populated by a different set of m
inds (probably somewhat younger both physically-and minded) these people
probably have a similar view about our Matronics forum as some on here have
about theirs. There is of course a crossover where both are used by some i
ncluding myself.=0A=0AIts a very na=EFve attitude to take the view keep our
hobby and beautiful aircraft to ourselves and a secret (a secret handshake
for Europa owners, now there is a most interesting thought), without- fu
ture owners, fettlers, builders our treasures will end up-in barns, locku
ps etc. in very sorry states probably never to fly again, "is that where we
want our labours to end up?" We really do need the future owners, if for n
o other reason we need these pilots to fly ourselves when we loose our medi
cals for age or health reasons, we could of course take the Egyptians view
and be buried with the aircraft for use in the great atmosphere above? I wo
nt be doing this as I hope to be presented with a new set of wings on arriv
al. Ironically some of the responders comments confuse me as whilst trying
to keep the aircraft exclusive, make a point about visiting, travelling to
many parts and meets all over Europe and the world, hardly keeping the Euro
pa a secret is
it?-I would ask the question again do we really want to keep our pleasur
e and passion a secret?=0A=0ACertainly not in my own case and I suspect in
most of our cases, we therefor need to take and exploit all of the opportun
ities to show off our Aircraft, promote the Europa Aircraft and our communi
ty, I for one take great pleasure in sharing my life experiences, flights,
pictures and videos with my invited friends, its pretty much the same as wh
at happens on here but a little more modern, in fact its the same as me pic
king up the phone and speaking to my friends which I still do actually do.
=0A=0ASo lets end the venom-ocity and silliness here and now "Long Live Mat
ronics and Long Live Facebook too" a place in all of our worlds for all of
us........=0A=0AThe other one=0ADavid J Joyce=0ASent to you-by David Joyc
e=0Awww.eastmidsspas.com- =0A-=0APLEASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED AND ARE NOW
AT=0AThe Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham Road Ripley Derbys DE5 3AS=0A160 Met
ers from Sainsbury's Island=0A-=0ASame Phone 0800 4102122 and Direct Mobi
le 07973 675755=0A-=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Fr
ans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASen
t: Monday, 19 May 2014, 19:18=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Facebook/Twitter
ilots.nl>=0A=0A-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----=0AHash: SHA1=0A=0AOn 05/1
9/2014 04:44 PM, duanefamly@aol.com wrote:=0A=0A> On FB/Twitter, our world
could attract those that could develop a=0A> passion for building or flying
Europas.=0A=0AWhy would we want that? Has flying an Europa became a religi
on and do=0Awe need to spread the word and try to draw more soals into it?
=0AI don't care whether our current fleet would be expanded or remains=0Ast
able. No need for growth here. In fact, I think that many of us=0Awanted to
build an Europa to do something special, not because one=0Afelt the urge t
o follow the herd.=0AAnd to me it looks like facebook and twitter are mainl
y herd things. I=0Aalways get the feeling that it is sort of a compensation
for people=0Awho are not able to live an interesting live themselves. Maki
ng a=0Apicture of their dinner and letting the world know that they are goi
ng=0Ato eat it. That kind of stuf.=0A=0AOh and BTW, all of us were apparent
ly able to find this little=0Acommunity without the "help" of facebook or t
witter. We don't need it=0Afor that. In fact, I would suggest that anyone w
ho is unable to find=0Athis without the help of facebook or twitter doesn't
deserve it. ;-)=0A=0A> Everything that goes on FB/Twitter gets gleaned by
so many=0A> information gatherers it would make your head spin.=0A=0AAnd th
at is a good reason against it. I want to share my information=0Awith peopl
e I know, and not share it with thousands of friends of=0Afriends of friend
s... If I wanted to broadcast everything to the=0Aentire world I would easi
ly find opportunities to do so, still without=0Athe help of facebook or twi
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| Subject: | RAeC honours Ian Rickard |
Apologies to those outside the UK who may not know him; Ian has for a long time
been the Europa Club Mods Specialist.
Ian and 8 others from the LAA were presented with awards by the patron of the Royal
Aero Club, HRH The Duke of York, in a ceremony at the RAF Club on Tuesday
13 May.
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/2014/News/RAeC.html
Well done Ian!
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| Subject: | Stupidity of Facebook thread |
Hear, Hear!
Brian Davies
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID JOYCE
Sent: 20 May 2014 09:52
Subject: Europa-List: Stupidity of Facebook thread
Its not often I feel the need to voice my views or opinions, but
following
this debate / tirade / witch hunt I think its now about time we closed
it
off and returned to list normality...
Just to put a few things straight this the matronics list is an
invaluable
source of knowledge, diversity, friendship and camaraderie. These type
of
lists have been around for a long time, longer of course than the
current
batch of social networking (FB etc) however I well remember the
reticence
associated with these lists at the time.
Facebook and Twitter are quite simply the current holders of the trend
and
human need for communication, these are certain to loose this position
of
current favourites as and when something new comes along, its happened
many
times in History, Photography that was alleged to steal the sole, Radio,
Television and indeed even our own beloved Aviation have all had the
same
views expressed as I see being levelled at social Networking, it would
appear that Ludditeism is indeed still alive!
To clarify a couple of issues (understandable as the protagonists
clearly
have no experience of the medium), Facebook and twitter is self
regulating
and very simple, if you post information, Photographs, Videos or
opinions it
is only viewed by the people that you give permission to view them
PLEASE
READ THAT AGAIN, this facility is not available through this valuable
and
irreplaceable forum. The current crop of social medias are populated by
a
different set of minds (probably somewhat younger both physically and
minded) these people probably have a similar view about our Matronics
forum
as some on here have about theirs. There is of course a crossover where
both
are used by some including myself.
Its a very na=EFve attitude to take the view keep our hobby and
beautiful
aircraft to ourselves and a secret (a secret handshake for Europa
owners,
now there is a most interesting thought), without future owners,
fettlers,
builders our treasures will end up in barns, lockups etc. in very sorry
states probably never to fly again, "is that where we want our labours
to
end up?" We really do need the future owners, if for no other reason we
need
these pilots to fly ourselves when we loose our medicals for age or
health
reasons, we could of course take the Egyptians view and be buried with
the
aircraft for use in the great atmosphere above? I wont be doing this as
I
hope to be presented with a new set of wings on arrival. Ironically some
of
the responders comments confuse me as whilst trying to keep the aircraft
exclusive, make a point about visiting, travelling to many parts and
meets
all over Europe and the world, hardly keeping the Europa a secret is it?
I
would ask the question again do we really want to keep our pleasure and
passion a secret?
Certainly not in my own case and I suspect in most of our cases, we
therefor
need to take and exploit all of the opportunities to show off our
Aircraft,
promote the Europa Aircraft and our community, I for one take great
pleasure
in sharing my life experiences, flights, pictures and videos with my
invited
friends, its pretty much the same as what happens on here but a little
more
modern, in fact its the same as me picking up the phone and speaking to
my
friends which I still do actually do.
So lets end the venom-ocity and silliness here and now "Long Live
Matronics
and Long Live Facebook too" a place in all of our worlds for all of
us........
The other one
David J Joyce
Sent to you by David Joyce
<http://www.eastmidsspas.com/> www.eastmidsspas.com
PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED AND ARE NOW AT
The Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham Road Ripley Derbys DE5 3AS
160 Meters from Sainsbury's Island
Same Phone 0800 4102122 and Direct Mobile 07973 675755
From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2014, 19:18
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Facebook/Twitter
<frans@privatepilots.nl>
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On 05/19/2014 04:44 PM, duanefamly@aol.com wrote:
> On FB/Twitter, our world could attract those that could develop a
> passion for building or flying Europas.
Why would we want that? Has flying an Europa became a religion and do
we need to spread the word and try to draw more soals into it?
I don't care whether our current fleet would be expanded or remains
stable. No need for growth here. In fact, I think that many of us
wanted to build an Europa to do something special, not because one
felt the urge to follow the herd.
And to me it looks like facebook and twitter are mainly herd things. I
always get the feeling that it is sort of a compensation for people
who are not able to live an interesting live themselves. Making a
picture of their dinner and letting the world know that they are going
to eat it. That kind of stuf.
Oh and BTW, all of us were apparently able to find this little
community without the "help" of facebook or twitter. We don't need it
for that. In fact, I would suggest that anyone who is unable to find
this without the help of facebook or twitter doesn't deserve it. ;-)
> Everything that goes on FB/Twitter gets gleaned by so many
> information gatherers it would make your head spin.
And that is a good reason against it. I want to share my information
with people I know, and not share it with thousands of friends of
friends of friends... If I wanted to broadcast everything to the
entire world I would easily find opportunities to do so, still without
the help of facebook or twitter.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: RAeC honours Ian Rickard |
I think it's hard to find anyone in the Europa family (also outside the UK) who
didn't at least profit in some way from Ian's valuable and outstanding technical
knowledge.
His (and Irene's) hospitality on our long way home from Perranporth to Germany
(although they didn't even know us up to this day) my father and me will keep
in best memory.
Congrats also from me, Ian!
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS Trigear 914
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| Subject: | Re: nev eyre contact number |
Last time I spoke to Nev a couple of months ago, he told me that he was about to
move premises to a place "underground". Quite literally his new workplace is/will
be below ground level and he won't get a mobile 'phone signal.
So I guess that you'd need to try calling him when you think he might have surfaced
for air and sunlight. Presumably he'll still be using his old mobile phone
number!
I wouldn't hold my breath in the expectation that he'll be installing a landline.
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| Subject: | RAeC honours Ian Rickard |
Many of us owe Ian a debt of gratitude for help and advice received during
and after construction.
It's great that his efforts have been officially recognised.
Congratulations Ian.
Mike
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