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1. 01:05 AM - Re: Borglanda fly in (stephan cassel)
2. 03:48 AM - Re: Re: Clevice \Forks debacle......... (Rowland Carson)
3. 04:57 AM - Sale of Europa Classic Mono G-BWYD (Frank Mycroft)
4. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: Clevice \Forks debacle......... (Bud Yerly)
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Subject: | Re: Borglanda fly in |
Dave,
Sorry to here that the weather is not on your side. There is very bad
weather over Denmark and west Norway for the moment, 23/5 0800 UTC. The
weather is better in East Norway and Sweden so we
will leave soon.
Next year we will plan the date so it will not interfere with other events
like Trip to Le Touquet.
I will contact David J well before.
Hope to see you next year in Scandinavia. Maybe Denmark. You need to
exchange to Danish kroner as well :-)
Some Europa pilots (including me) are planning for Vichy flyIn weekend
after the Europa Club AGM, i.e. 18-20 / 7. Last year it was over 600
aircrafts that participate the event.
Best regards
Stephan
LN-STE
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Subject: | Re: Clevice \Forks debacle......... |
On 22 May 2014, at 23:36, Tony Renshaw wrote:
> Hi Donald,
> Thank you very much for the specifics. Ill have a closer look at my setup and
see if it effects me too. Hope the paperwork goes well. Do you have any completed
photos for us??
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
>
> On 23 May 2014, at 8:22 am, Donald Cameron <fireflier@btinternet.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Tony
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>> I believe the fouling is between the bell crank and the TS05 push rod.
[snip]
I found that the bottom end of the servo pushrod clevis fouled the TS05 link rod
in the full up trim & full up elevator position. You can read about my resolution
of the issue here:
http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/201204.php#ts05_foul
You will see that I asked about it on this forum but when I tested the most popular
suggestion (shortening the link rod) it actually made things worse! You may
have to read the day 13 entry quite carefully to understand what I finished
up doing - which included, but was not limited to, shortening the butt ends of
the clevises.
There are pictures associated - just click on the links in day 5 or day 13.
Hope this helps.
in friendship
Rowland
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Subject: | Sale of Europa Classic Mono G-BWYD |
Having received no offers for my Europa with damaged prop at the asking
price of about =A320,000, I am now prepared to consider any offer at
all, as I no longer have a licence to fly and the aeroplane must go.
Generally speaking I think that Europas sell for far less than they are
worth compared to other permit aircraft, and I may be about to set a new
record, but my main concern is to see the aeroplane in the hands of
someone who can get the pleasure out of it that I had. So if you know
of anyone give them my e-mail address and I will send out particulars
and pictures.
Frank Mycroft
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Subject: | Re: Clevice \Forks debacle......... |
Tony=2C
In Annex E it says:
Check that trim bellcrank does not contact TS05 push-rod when fully aft (ta
b full up) and tailplane is=0A
trailing edge up.
This should be in Chapter 19 also but is not as it is assumed when checking
clearances.
If I read you correctly=2C I am just repeating what others have said I am a
fraid. With the stab full up and trim rod full down=2C the TS05=2C T shape
d trim push rod=2C should not contact the TS 03 bell crank long arm side wh
ere the trim clevises attach at full up stab (I use 13 degrees full up). T
he clevis from the motor to the clevis on the TS03 butt against one another
on the #8 rod attaching them. If you look with the stabs all done=2C trim
tabs on=2C and fully extended trim motor=2C look hard at the TS05 trim rod
and it normally just contacts the clevis. Simply take it apart=2C(it is a
n airplane so if you haven't taken it apart and put it together 5 times=2C
you are doing it wrong.) cut 1/16 inch from each clevis and reassemble and
test. 1/8 inch off each is the most I have done. At this time check the T
S05 trim push rod does not rub against the slot in the bulkhead it passes t
hrough. This is very hard to do with the top on.
Nice to catch it now with the top off rather than go in and try to do it af
ter the top is on=2C especially with the inspection hole size recommended b
y the manual.
Now something not in the manual and is very embarrassing:
I found one of my aircraft with the nyloc nut which holds the TS03 to the T
S04 (spring and washer thingy) and its check nut were loose. As the damper
unit moves=2C it vibrated a bit and to my distress=2C the TS04 was a bit f
loppy. This has never happened to me. Easy fix=2C a drop of Loctite and t
ighten up was all it took. I use torque seal paint on all my bolts but nev
er put it on my nylock / check nut on the drag / dampener bolt as I never t
hought this part would cause trouble... So a word to the wise=2C make this
part of your final assembly check=2C and put a bit of torque seal paint on
your nuts on this part also.
As far as mounting the trim servo=2C we do add an aluminum plate of .016 in
ches with 4 nut plates riveted on to it and the plate Reduxed and riveted t
o the back side of the bulkhead. We use nut plates everywhere where we can
't get to a nut easily. (Yes=2C it takes longer but we have not had good l
uck with gluing a nut on over time.) We also use a #6 Allen head screw to h
old the trim motor on since it is easier to put an Allen screw driver ball
head on it than a wrench should the trim motor need to be changed some time
in the way distant future. (I've never had a Mac Servo fail=2C but I hav
e a D sub on it anyway=2C just in case.)
Enjoy Building
Bud
From: tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Clevice \Forks debacle.........
Hi Bud=2CCould you please elaborate where the fouling is more specifically?
I appreciate knowing this=2C so I am thankful Bob brought it up. I have th
e top still off so its ideal I overcome these issues now. Regards Tony Rens
haw
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: Clevice \Forks =0A
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