---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/23/14: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:05 AM - Re: Borglanda fly in (stephan cassel) 2. 03:48 AM - Re: Re: Clevice \Forks debacle......... (Rowland Carson) 3. 04:57 AM - Sale of Europa Classic Mono G-BWYD (Frank Mycroft) 4. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: Clevice \Forks debacle......... (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Borglanda fly in From: stephan cassel Dave, Sorry to here that the weather is not on your side. There is very bad weather over Denmark and west Norway for the moment, 23/5 0800 UTC. The weather is better in East Norway and Sweden so we will leave soon. Next year we will plan the date so it will not interfere with other events like Trip to Le Touquet. I will contact David J well before. Hope to see you next year in Scandinavia. Maybe Denmark. You need to exchange to Danish kroner as well :-) Some Europa pilots (including me) are planning for Vichy flyIn weekend after the Europa Club AGM, i.e. 18-20 / 7. Last year it was over 600 aircrafts that participate the event. Best regards Stephan LN-STE ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Clevice \Forks debacle......... From: Rowland Carson On 22 May 2014, at 23:36, Tony Renshaw wrote: > Hi Donald, > Thank you very much for the specifics. Ill have a closer look at my setup and see if it effects me too. Hope the paperwork goes well. Do you have any completed photos for us?? > Regards > Tony Renshaw > > On 23 May 2014, at 8:22 am, Donald Cameron wrote: > >> Hi Tony >> >> I believe the fouling is between the bell crank and the TS05 push rod. [snip] I found that the bottom end of the servo pushrod clevis fouled the TS05 link rod in the full up trim & full up elevator position. You can read about my resolution of the issue here: http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/201204.php#ts05_foul You will see that I asked about it on this forum but when I tested the most popular suggestion (shortening the link rod) it actually made things worse! You may have to read the day 13 entry quite carefully to understand what I finished up doing - which included, but was not limited to, shortening the butt ends of the clevises. There are pictures associated - just click on the links in day 5 or day 13. Hope this helps. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:39 AM PST US From: "Frank Mycroft" Subject: Europa-List: Sale of Europa Classic Mono G-BWYD Having received no offers for my Europa with damaged prop at the asking price of about =A320,000, I am now prepared to consider any offer at all, as I no longer have a licence to fly and the aeroplane must go. Generally speaking I think that Europas sell for far less than they are worth compared to other permit aircraft, and I may be about to set a new record, but my main concern is to see the aeroplane in the hands of someone who can get the pleasure out of it that I had. So if you know of anyone give them my e-mail address and I will send out particulars and pictures. Frank Mycroft ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:10 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Clevice \Forks debacle......... Tony=2C In Annex E it says: Check that trim bellcrank does not contact TS05 push-rod when fully aft (ta b full up) and tailplane is=0A trailing edge up. This should be in Chapter 19 also but is not as it is assumed when checking clearances. If I read you correctly=2C I am just repeating what others have said I am a fraid. With the stab full up and trim rod full down=2C the TS05=2C T shape d trim push rod=2C should not contact the TS 03 bell crank long arm side wh ere the trim clevises attach at full up stab (I use 13 degrees full up). T he clevis from the motor to the clevis on the TS03 butt against one another on the #8 rod attaching them. If you look with the stabs all done=2C trim tabs on=2C and fully extended trim motor=2C look hard at the TS05 trim rod and it normally just contacts the clevis. Simply take it apart=2C(it is a n airplane so if you haven't taken it apart and put it together 5 times=2C you are doing it wrong.) cut 1/16 inch from each clevis and reassemble and test. 1/8 inch off each is the most I have done. At this time check the T S05 trim push rod does not rub against the slot in the bulkhead it passes t hrough. This is very hard to do with the top on. Nice to catch it now with the top off rather than go in and try to do it af ter the top is on=2C especially with the inspection hole size recommended b y the manual. Now something not in the manual and is very embarrassing: I found one of my aircraft with the nyloc nut which holds the TS03 to the T S04 (spring and washer thingy) and its check nut were loose. As the damper unit moves=2C it vibrated a bit and to my distress=2C the TS04 was a bit f loppy. This has never happened to me. Easy fix=2C a drop of Loctite and t ighten up was all it took. I use torque seal paint on all my bolts but nev er put it on my nylock / check nut on the drag / dampener bolt as I never t hought this part would cause trouble... So a word to the wise=2C make this part of your final assembly check=2C and put a bit of torque seal paint on your nuts on this part also. As far as mounting the trim servo=2C we do add an aluminum plate of .016 in ches with 4 nut plates riveted on to it and the plate Reduxed and riveted t o the back side of the bulkhead. We use nut plates everywhere where we can 't get to a nut easily. (Yes=2C it takes longer but we have not had good l uck with gluing a nut on over time.) We also use a #6 Allen head screw to h old the trim motor on since it is easier to put an Allen screw driver ball head on it than a wrench should the trim motor need to be changed some time in the way distant future. (I've never had a Mac Servo fail=2C but I hav e a D sub on it anyway=2C just in case.) Enjoy Building Bud From: tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Clevice \Forks debacle......... Hi Bud=2CCould you please elaborate where the fouling is more specifically? I appreciate knowing this=2C so I am thankful Bob brought it up. I have th e top still off so its ideal I overcome these issues now. Regards Tony Rens haw On 23 May 2014=2C at 7:40=2C "Bud Yerly" wrote: =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Bob=2C=0A You are right on the money. Every aircraft I have built needed about =0A 1/8 off each clevis on the pitch mechanism to allow the trim bar to clear a t =0A full elevator and trim travel. As for interpreting the English =0A Language.... No comment.=0A Regards=2C=0A Bud Yerly=0A =0A =0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Fred =0A Klein =0A To: europa-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Thursday=2C May 22=2C 2014 10:30 =0A AM=0A Subject: Europa-List: Re: Clevice \Forks =0A debacle.........=0A Bob=85thank you for your attention to my build photo and for =0A alerting me to this issue=2C however vexing you may find it. =0A =0A I am simply baffled to learn that you find =93there is already enough shi t =0A flying about on the issue=94 and that it=92s an example showing that =93p eople just =0A can=92t read and interpret the English language=94=85please do not attemp t to =0A elaborate=85I can do without further discussion which you find unsuitable for =0A posting on Matronics.=0A =0A Fred=0A =0A =0A =0A On May 22=2C 2014=2C at 2:19 AM=2C Bob Harrison =0A wrote:=0A =0A =0A =0A Hi! =0A Tony /Fred.=0A To =0A try to help you over this vexed issue concerning the clevis forks I jus t =0A spoke to a local friend on the issue ....his immediate response was tha t he =0A had removed =BC=94 but when I questioned him further he started to app ly =0A some engineering reason to the issue and suggested that we probably bot h =0A removed 1/8=94 from each clevice to ensure there was adequate thread pu rchase =0A left on both clevices. 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