---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/31/14: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:27 AM - Re: Re: Key Sanding................and Instrument Panel ventilation (Richard Collings) 2. 04:59 AM - Re: Castle Kennedy fly in (Chuck Rhoads) 3. 05:05 AM - Re: Castle Kennedy fly in (David Joyce) 4. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Key Sanding................and Instrument Panel ventilation (Tony Renshaw) 5. 01:54 PM - UK Airspace definition (graeme bird) 6. 05:07 PM - Re: antennas (craig) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:56 AM PST US From: "Richard Collings" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Key Sanding................and Instrument Panel ventilation Hi Tony If you have mounted the instrument module on rubber bushes as we discussed earlier you will have created a vent all along the top, if heat is an issue you can fit a fan or fans on the underside of the instrument module both sides and drive cooler cabin air up into the module and let it exit across the top. It could also act as a demister and it keeps the fans out of site. Best wishes Richard G-CGZV By the way you were right I can't count only 5 brackets hold the top engine cowl on ! -----Original Message----- From: Tony Renshaw Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Key Sanding................and Instrument Panel ventilation Hi John, Re Key Sanding, I suppose the purpose is to legitimise why we do it, and its because Ive been doing work on the very thin sandwich skin of the fuselage. The cloth in question is so thin, and I believe any strong Grit will compromise the structure, so it got me thinking about what the goal really is. I reckon the goal is to abrade the matrix resin, without compromising or ideally even touching the entrapped glass, and in essence increasing the surface area in the process. I then wondered academically whether there was any difference in the surface area between one Grit and another, and I dont believe there is, SO, when key sanding, any grit will do if it roughens the surface and dulls it off. Thats all, just an academic exercise, but I know there are smarter guys than me on the list, so I asked. re: Instrument Panel Venting, I have kindly been sent a few photos but am always desiring seeing how others have done things, so yes, Id love to get some photos. Thanks John. Regards Tony Renshaw On 30 May 2014, at 9:55 pm, John Wighton wrote: > > Tony, > > Not sure on where the surface area discussion is going - or the objective. > > Regarding the panel, l installed 2off fans in a carbon frame above the 6 > pack/EFIS hybrid panel in G-IPOD. This is the highest point hence hot air > will collect here. It performs the de-mist function in the cockpit (no > other heater is fitted). > > I can send some pics if needed. > > Regards > John > > -------- > John Wighton > Europa XS trigear G-IPOD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424022#424022 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Castle Kennedy fly in From: Chuck Rhoads V2hhdCBpcyB0aGUgd2Vic2l0ZT8KClNlbnQgZnJvbSBteSBBU1VTIE1lTU8gUGFkCgpLRU5ORVRI IEFUS0lOU09OIDxrZW5uZXRoYXRraW5zb24xNzhAYnRpbnRlcm5ldC5jb20+IHdyb3RlOgoKPkhp LCAKPgo+wqDCoMKgwqDCoCBTb3JyeSB0aGlzIGlzIGEgYml0IGxhdGUuCj4KPsKgwqDCoMKgwqDC oEFyZSB0aGVyZSBhbnkgb3RoZXIgRXVyb3BhcyBsaWtlbHkgdG8gYXR0ZW5kIENhc3RsZSBLZW5u ZWR5IEZseS1pbiB0b21vcnJvdy4KPgo+wqDCoMKgwqDCoCBJIGFtIGZseWluZyBpbiBpbiB0aGUg bW9ybmluZy4KPgo+wqDCoMKgCj4KPsKgwqAgSSB0aG9yb3VnaGx5IGVuam95ZWQgaXQgbGFzdCB5 ZWFyLWdvb2QgZm9vZCxsb3RzIG9mIGFpcmNyYWZ0LG1vZGVsIGZseWluZyxuaWNlIGNhc3RsZSB0 byB2aXNpdCAtc2VlIHdlYnNpdGUhCj4KPsKgwqAgCj4KPsKgwqAgS2VuwqDCoCBHLUNFS1YKPgo+ Xy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT0gXy09IC0gVGhlIEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVtIC0gXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0 cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMgTmF2aWdhdG9yIHRvIGJyb3dzZSBfLT0gdGhlIG1hbnkgTGlz dCB1dGlsaXRpZXMgc3VjaCBhcyBMaXN0IFVuL1N1YnNjcmlwdGlvbiwgXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2Vh cmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLCBfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwg YW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3JlOiBfLT0gXy09IC0tPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20v TmF2aWdhdG9yP0V1cm9wYS1MaXN0IF8tPSBfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PSBfLT0gLSBNQVRST05JQ1MgV0VCIEZPUlVN UyAtIF8tPSBTYW1lIGdyZWF0IGNvbnRlbnQgYWxzbyBhdmFpbGFibGUgdmlhIHRoZSBXZWIgRm9y dW1zISBfLT0gXy09IC0tPiBodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20gXy09IF8tPT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09IF8t PSAtIExpc3QgQ29udHJpYnV0aW9uIFdlYiBTaXRlIC0gXy09IFRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgeW91ciBn ZW5lcm91cyBzdXBwb3J0ISBfLT0gLU1hdHQgRHJhbGxlLCBMaXN0IEFkbWluLiBfLT0gLS0+IGh0 dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24gXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0g ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:05 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Castle Kennedy fly in Ken, We expect the entire Europa community to be at the Aeroexpo at Sywell tomorrow! David Joyce, G-XSDJ On Sat, 31 May 2014 07:58:26 -0400 Chuck Rhoads wrote: > What is the website? > > Sent from my ASUS MeMO Pad > > KENNETH ATKINSON >wrote: > >>Hi, >> >> Sorry this is a bit late. >> >>Are there any other Europas likely to attend Castle >>Kennedy Fly-in tomorrow. >> >> I am flying in in the morning. >> >> >> >> I thoroughly enjoyed it last year-good food,lots of >>aircraft,model flying,nice castle to visit -see website! >> >> >> >> Ken G-CEKV >> >>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:56 AM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Key Sanding................and Instrument Panel ventilation Hi Richard, Now thats a good idea, to push cooler canin air up through the panel. I am about to mount the panel on the rubber bushes, and working on replicating the cowl setup. Just keep sending all your good ideas downunder. ;-) Regards Tony Renshaw Photos to follow. > On 31 May 2014, at 21:26, "Richard Collings" wrote: > > > Hi Tony > If you have mounted the instrument module on rubber bushes as we discussed earlier you will have created a vent all along the top, if heat is an issue you can fit a fan or fans on the underside of the instrument module both sides and drive cooler cabin air up into the module and let it exit across the top. It could also act as a demister and it keeps the fans out of site. > Best wishes > Richard > G-CGZV > By the way you were right I can't count only 5 brackets hold the top engine cowl on ! > > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Renshaw > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:59 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Key Sanding................and Instrument Panel ventilation > > > Hi John, > Re Key Sanding, I suppose the purpose is to legitimise why we do it, and its because Ive been doing work on the very thin sandwich skin of the fuselage. The cloth in question is so thin, and I believe any strong Grit will compromise the structure, so it got me thinking about what the goal really is. I reckon the goal is to abrade the matrix resin, without compromising or ideally even touching the entrapped glass, and in essence increasing the surface area in the process. I then wondered academically whether there was any difference in the surface area between one Grit and another, and I dont believe there is, SO, when key sanding, any grit will do if it roughens the surface and dulls it off. Thats all, just an academic exercise, but I know there are smarter guys than me on the list, so I asked. > > re: Instrument Panel Venting, I have kindly been sent a few photos but am always desiring seeing how others have done things, so yes, Id love to get some photos. Thanks John. > Regards > Tony Renshaw > > > > > > > > > > >> On 30 May 2014, at 9:55 pm, John Wighton wrote: >> >> >> Tony, >> >> Not sure on where the surface area discussion is going - or the objective. >> >> Regarding the panel, l installed 2off fans in a carbon frame above the 6 pack/EFIS hybrid panel in G-IPOD. This is the highest point hence hot air will collect here. It performs the de-mist function in the cockpit (no other heater is fitted). >> >> I can send some pics if needed. >> >> Regards >> John >> >> -------- >> John Wighton >> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424022#424022 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:10 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: UK Airspace definition From: "graeme bird" Looking at the new CAA north of England and northern Ireland map purchased at Aeroexpo yesterday. The zones around Belfast are an absolute mess -possibly the new graphics make it worse. If they cant make it simple and clear no wonder they get zone busts. Glad to have skydemon! -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 105 hours 26 months on the Mono g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424128#424128 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:17 PM PST US From: "craig" Subject: RE: Europa-List: antennas I put a full wave loop antenna in to run a hand held scanner in mine a/c works a LOT better than the stubby antenna Get excellent reception afis, ground and atc at the nearest airport about 40km away, I get nothing with the stubby antenna Its on about 4m of coax to get to the loop Regards craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.