---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/02/14: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:34 AM - AW: Europa Club fly-out to Eastern Europe 14-21 June (UVTREITH) 2. 04:15 AM - Re: SkyYiew antenna (Trevpond@aol.com) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: SkyYiew antenna (Donald Cameron) 4. 06:17 AM - Re: SkyYiew antenna (Fred Klein) 5. 06:26 AM - Re: SkyYiew antenna (Donald Cameron) 6. 09:15 AM - Re: Key Sanding................and Instrument Panel ventilation (Scudrunner) 7. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Key Sanding................and Instrument Panel ventilation (Fred Klein) 8. 10:44 AM - Re: SkyYiew antenna (Bud Yerly) 9. 08:11 PM - Re: SkyYiew antenna (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:05 AM PST US From: "UVTREITH" Subject: AW: Europa-List: Europa Club fly-out to Eastern Europe 14-21 June Good Morning Eastern Europa pilots. If you like you can make a break on your return flight on my airfield www.edkw.de This location is direct on your route. We have a camping area, a nice barbecue facility with our own cantina and a quite good restaurant . You could also stay in a hotel close by. I would like to invite you for some free drinks (beer and others) and a barbecue. We also have Avgas and Mogas. When this will suit your planning I also will try to get some other Europa pilots for a nice "German" Europa meeting. Have a safe trip. Best Regards, Bruno Reith _____ Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von m.j.gregory@talk21.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juni 2014 20:37 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: Europa Club fly-out to Eastern Europe 14-21 June If any Europa Club members are thinking that they might like to join the planned fly out to Eastern Europe in 2 weeks' time, please would they send me an email as soon as possible, as I would like to finalise the list on Wednesday 4 June. As a reminder, the Europa Flyer (EF 80 March 2014) entry described the tour as follows: "14-21 June Krakow and Eastern Europe. This trip will aim to have 3 days in Krakow to enjoy this fascinating city, its magnificent air museum and the surrounding area, and will take in interesting places on the out and return journeys. Mike Gregory (m.j.gregory@talk21.com; 01480 451655)" Regards, Mike ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:07 AM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: SkyYiew antenna Hi Fred, My Skyview antenna is under the instrument panel coaming on the left hand side. Garmin Antenna for the 695 is on the right hand side. Never had an y problems and always get perfect signals on both the instruments. best regards Trev G-LINN In a message dated 02/06/2014 02:15:31 GMT Daylight Time, tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com writes: --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw Hi Fred, With that Dynon Skyview GPS EFIS setup, what are you considering for a location?? Underside of instrument panel coaming, or in the roof? Tony R. On 2 Jun 2014, at 9:30 am, Fred Klein wrote: > > I=99ve been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that i t is optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18 inches) away f rom other gps antennas as well as the electronics and instruments. > > Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?if so, I =99m curious as to where you=99ve installed your SV-250 module, and if pe rformance is acceptable; if not, where are you planning to relocate it? > > thanx, > > Fred > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: SkyYiew antenna From: Donald Cameron Hi Fred I have got my gps module mounted into a recess on the tip of my instrument p anel. I have also got my garmin 296 gps antenna mounted in a similar positio n. I don't have any problems with them being mounted here or have any problems w ith them being located close to each other. See photos attached showing mine incorporated into the top of my instrument p anel. Kind regards Donald G-PUPY ( awaiting LAA paperwork to allow test flying) Sent from my iPhone On 2 Jun 2014, at 00:30, Fred Klein wrote: > > I=99ve been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that it i s optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18 inches) away f rom other gps antennas as well as the electronics and instruments. > > Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?if so, I =99m curious as to where you=99ve installed your SV-250 module, and if performance is acceptable; if not, where are you planning to relocate it ? > > thanx, > > Fred > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >



________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:29 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: SkyYiew antenna Donald=85thanks for the reassurance=85and the pixs=85very sweet installation=85would love to see a pix of your panel itself=85good luck w/ your test flying=85Fred On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Donald Cameron wrote: > I have got my gps module mounted into a recess on the tip of my instrument panel. I have also got my garmin 296 gps antenna mounted in a similar position. > > I don't have any problems with them being mounted here or have any problems with them being located close to each other. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: SkyYiew antenna From: Donald Cameron ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:28 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Key Sanding................and Instrument Panel ventilation From: "Scudrunner" Just an observation for those fitting fans etc in the top of the instrument panel; I mounted a box under here recently and used four stainless steel screws. In flight they resulted in four very annoying reflections in the canopy - I recommend keeping everything up there matt black or dark grey. [Embarassed] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424213#424213 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Key Sanding................and Instrument Panel ventilation From: Fred Klein thanks for the tipId not considered possible reflectionsthe dark grey louvers will definitely go onf. On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Scudrunner wrote: > > Just an observation for those fitting fans etc in the top of the instrument panel; I mounted a box under here recently and used four stainless steel screws. In flight they resulted in four very annoying reflections in the canopy - I recommend keeping everything up there matt black or dark grey. [Embarassed] > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424213#424213 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:32 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: SkyYiew antenna Fred, Have mounted Garmin, Dynon, Grand Rapids GPS antennas inside the panel. The postage stamp style (dynon/grt/aftermarket for handheld 496) work best mounted to a hat shapped aluminum mount reduxed to the top inside of the panel. I find the postage stamp type work best mounted to a small thin metal bracket or signal reception degrades... Grounding of the metal makes no difference. Garmin IFR antennas are mounted under the top above the space between the radio stack and instruments. No metal backing necessary. I use fiberglass C sections on each side (actually just wrapped the Garmin with glass with release tape to make it replaceable and used the provided screw holes )... Some Rules: The antenna cannot be mounted under any metal, carbon fiber. Avoid metalic paint (metal flake) on the panel. If using fans in the top, obviously keep them to the sides of the antenna. Make sure you use good quality coax. Mount the antenna solid so it doesn't vibrate. If you install a marker beacon home made antenna in the panel, keep it clear by about 6 inches as it swallows waves of its own. I've put the GRT antenna 8 inches from the Garmin antenna and they both work fine. The GRT hat section metal is a bit wider than the postage stamp and the vertical part of the hat blocks the Garmin from direct line of sight. They play nicely together. Never had any problems with these simple rules. Anytime you mount something to the top of the instrument panel it will reflect on the windscreen. You shouldn't paint the Garmins or postage stamp types. So the only help is to put a piece of black cloth over the white antenna. Some of the postage stamps are a satin black and aren't too bad but you sure do see it in the reflection of the panel top on the screen. If fans are installed, paint the fan flat black and cover with fiberglass screens installed on the panel, painted to match the panel color or flat black. Panel top should be painted a dark color (dark brown, flat black, dark gray) to keep light reflections on the windscreens to a minimum. I paint my panels with SEM interior lacquer color paint, coat with their flat clear but lacquer chips so... I use Polyurethane paint over the SEM interior lacquer color paint with flatener added. Then letter the panel. Then coat with another layer of flat clear. SEM makes a clear hotrod flat paint that works well. Polyurethane holds up well to the stuff we throw in the tray, or other stuff we flop on top of the panel. The flat can be wiped clean without streaking and can be touched up nicely if gouged. No reflection problems. Stay away from enamel and lacquer flat finishes as they don't hold up to wear and tear and often look funny after wiping the dust off with cleaner. Now that I have the wife flying with me, military gray/ flat black is out of my paint inventory. We have 12AY in nice tan (face) and browns (panel) that are soothing and comfortable and match the leather and fabrics in the cockpit giving a uniformity to the texture and feel. (I've been watching too many decorating shows lately.) You get awards for nice paint and stuff, but watch the reflections and wearability or you'll never see traffic with the sun at 12 o'clock... Regards, Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Klein To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Europa-List: SkyYiew antenna > I=92ve been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that it is optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18 inches) away from other gps antennas as well as the electronics and instruments. Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?=85if so, I=92m curious as to where you=92ve installed your SV-250 module, and if performance is acceptable; if not, where are you planning to relocate it=85?=85 thanx, Fred http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:46 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: SkyYiew antenna Bud=85thank you for your comprehensive reply to my questions=85I keep a special file of your thorough and detailed posts=85especially helpful to a novice since my bird is tending towards having a high degree of novelty. How I value this forum, Fred On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Bud Yerly wrote: > Have mounted Garmin, Dynon, Grand Rapids GPS antennas inside the panel. > > Some Rules: > Never had any problems with these simple rules. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.