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1. 12:55 AM - Europa Cover (James Kelly)
2. 03:24 AM - Stick Grips (Tony Renshaw)
3. 03:55 AM - Re: Stick Grips (Peter Zutrauen)
4. 05:09 AM - Re: Stick Grips (Bud Yerly)
5. 05:33 AM - Re: Stick Grips (Tony Renshaw)
6. 06:09 AM - Re: Stick Grips (Kingsley Hurst)
7. 06:55 AM - Annual inspection (Richard Iddon)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: Stick Grips (Fred Klein)
9. 11:20 AM - Re: Annual inspection (Brian Davies)
10. 01:09 PM - Re: Stick Grips (Bud Yerly)
11. 02:53 PM - Re: Stick Grips (Tony Renshaw)
12. 05:13 PM - Re: Stick Grips (Lance Sandford)
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Hello All,
Is there anyone there that may have a Europa Cover any type
will do. Please contact me directly on europajimkelly@gmail.com
Cheers to you all
Jim G-BWEG
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Gidday,
I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are raked forward
is giving me grief. Ive already cut them down to suit, which works by having
a 1 insert with a smaller diameter hole that the grip mounts through. So,
I am after a stick grip that has a male stud sticking out the bottom that goes
into a receptacle that fits inside our sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??
Regards
Tony Renshaw
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Not having installed my nifty Tosten (www.tostenmanufacturing.com) grips
yet, I was wondering if the raked condition could be rectified by milling
up some custom off-axis grip-mount-plugs instead of replacing them totally?
Cheers,
Pete
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Gidday,
> I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are
> raked forward is giving me grief. I=99ve already cut them down to s
uit, which
> works by having a 1=9D insert with a smaller diameter hole that the
grip
> mounts through. So, I am after a stick grip that has a male stud sticking
> out the bottom that goes into a receptacle that fits inside our sticks, N
OT
> over them. Any suggestions??
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
>
>
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Tony,
When going with other than the MAC style stick grips, you are in custom
territory.
I have had custom bending and welding done with a stud, and also with a
military style multipin connector in the top of a stick. I find that custom
stick grips usually come with proper spacers for 1 and 7/8 inch tubes. I
would bet that the stick manufacturer has a solution to the fitting, but not
the cockpit clearances.
The issue, as you have found, is the cockpit clearance is going to require
you to replace your sticks with custom bends to allow the grip head, at your
comfortable flying position, to give clearance all around the cockpit.
Nothing worse than testing an aircraft whose control limit stops are the
panel and persons anatomy. Also check the passenger side as well.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:23 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Stick Grips
>
> Gidday,
> I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are
> raked forward is giving me grief. Ive already cut them down to suit,
> which works by having a 1 insert with a smaller diameter hole that the
> grip mounts through. So, I am after a stick grip that has a male stud
> sticking out the bottom that goes into a receptacle that fits inside our
> sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
>
>
>
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Hi Bud, Am I right that I can tinker with winding out the rod end at the bottom
of the control column, to get the whole range of the stick further aft. It appears
though the longer you make that arc, it alters the way the pitch pushrod
travels within the aileron tube, and you could create a bind. Unfortunately I
have a nice little 1 1/2" fence of 2 plies of BID that creates a surface to protect
my controls, and to allow a boot to attach to, which is basically in the
way of future close inspection. I think I might just rely on sound and feel
throughout the control movement range. Irritating, and unforeseen.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sent from my iPad
> On 9 Jun 2014, at 10:08 pm, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> Tony,
> When going with other than the MAC style stick grips, you are in custom territory.
> I have had custom bending and welding done with a stud, and also with a military
style multipin connector in the top of a stick. I find that custom stick
grips usually come with proper spacers for 1 and 7/8 inch tubes. I would bet
that the stick manufacturer has a solution to the fitting, but not the cockpit
clearances.
>
> The issue, as you have found, is the cockpit clearance is going to require you
to replace your sticks with custom bends to allow the grip head, at your comfortable
flying position, to give clearance all around the cockpit. Nothing worse
than testing an aircraft whose control limit stops are the panel and persons
anatomy. Also check the passenger side as well.
>
> Regards,
> Bud Yerly
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:23 AM
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Stick Grips
>
>>
>> Gidday,
>> I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are raked
forward is giving me grief. Ive already cut them down to suit, which works by
having a 1 insert with a smaller diameter hole that the grip mounts through.
So, I am after a stick grip that has a male stud sticking out the bottom that
goes into a receptacle that fits inside our sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??
>> Regards
>> Tony Renshaw
>
>
>
>
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Tony,
Take it from a friendly banana bender from the Sunshine State ......... push bike
handlebar grips are cheap and functional ..... Heh heh
Do not archive
Sent from my iPad
> On 9 Jun 2014, at 10:33 pm, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bud, Am I right that I can tinker with winding out the rod end at the bottom
of the control column, to get the whole range of the stick further aft. It
appears though the longer you make that arc, it alters the way the pitch pushrod
travels within the aileron tube, and you could create a bind. Unfortunately
I have a nice little 1 1/2" fence of 2 plies of BID that creates a surface to
protect my controls, and to allow a boot to attach to, which is basically in
the way of future close inspection. I think I might just rely on sound and feel
throughout the control movement range. Irritating, and unforeseen.
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 9 Jun 2014, at 10:08 pm, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Tony,
>> When going with other than the MAC style stick grips, you are in custom territory.
>> I have had custom bending and welding done with a stud, and also with a military
style multipin connector in the top of a stick. I find that custom stick
grips usually come with proper spacers for 1 and 7/8 inch tubes. I would bet
that the stick manufacturer has a solution to the fitting, but not the cockpit
clearances.
>>
>> The issue, as you have found, is the cockpit clearance is going to require you
to replace your sticks with custom bends to allow the grip head, at your comfortable
flying position, to give clearance all around the cockpit. Nothing worse
than testing an aircraft whose control limit stops are the panel and persons
anatomy. Also check the passenger side as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bud Yerly
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:23 AM
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Stick Grips
>>
>>>
>>> Gidday,
>>> I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are raked
forward is giving me grief. Ive already cut them down to suit, which works
by having a 1 insert with a smaller diameter hole that the grip mounts through.
So, I am after a stick grip that has a male stud sticking out the bottom that
goes into a receptacle that fits inside our sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??
>>> Regards
>>> Tony Renshaw
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Annual inspection |
My aircraft is due its annual and my current inspector has retired. I contacted
a different inspector who told me that he couldn't inspect my aircraft as it
was 'complex'. I wasn't aware that a tri gear was a complex aircraft. Can anyone
enlighten me?
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS
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Tony=85my mantra for all things aviation:
=93=85manage the degree of novelty=85=94
Fred
PS: I=92m a lousy manager.
On Jun 9, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
> Tony,
> When going with other than the MAC style stick grips, you are in
custom territory.
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| Subject: | Annual inspection |
All LAA inspectors are granted approvals for one or more of 12 different
categories of aircraft. They are also granted approvals for different tasks
e.g. Final inspection before first flight. Go to the LAA website and click
on the Aircraft & Technical bar on the left and the drop down menu has a
"find an inspector" line. Put in your post code and it will give you a list
of inspectors and their approvals in your area. You need an inspector
approved for A-C2 ( all fixed wing airframes of primarily composite
construction.)
Regards
Brian Davies
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Sent: 09 June 2014 14:55
Subject: Europa-List: Annual inspection
My aircraft is due its annual and my current inspector has retired. I
contacted a different inspector who told me that he couldn't inspect my
aircraft as it was 'complex'. I wasn't aware that a tri gear was a complex
aircraft. Can anyone enlighten me?
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS
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Tony,
You are better off rebending the stick. Your gut to panel distance must
be judged. The pitch rod travel is fixed more or less by geometry of
the system, only slight changes are made there. Make a new stick custom
to your grip. As for limits, your knees, gut and panel will determine
what the stick shape and size need to be. What is important is 13+, -5
on the stab and your gut and panel (including knuckles) do not limit
that at any aileron travel limit. Latterally, make sure the pain
necessary to do full deflection is not noticeable in roll. Take it on a
bit of faith, and note that tall grips create more of a pain and rework
than they give back in enjoyment. It can add another 40 hours to the
build.
Unless your ego cannot live without it, it is a cut/bend/fit exercise.
The KISS principle was applied to my bird because of doing 12 gotta have
custom grips discussions.
The last time I pulled a trigger on a stick, bad things happened to
other people on the ground, I don't have one. I still fly with my index
finger extended.
Regards,
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Renshaw<mailto:tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
<tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com<mailto:tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>>
Hi Bud, Am I right that I can tinker with winding out the rod end at
the bottom of the control column, to get the whole range of the stick
further aft. It appears though the longer you make that arc, it alters
the way the pitch pushrod travels within the aileron tube, and you could
create a bind. Unfortunately I have a nice little 1 1/2" fence of 2
plies of BID that creates a surface to protect my controls, and to allow
a boot to attach to, which is basically in the way of future close
inspection. I think I might just rely on sound and feel throughout the
control movement range. Irritating, and unforeseen.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sent from my iPad
> On 9 Jun 2014, at 10:08 pm, "Bud Yerly"
<budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>> wrote:
>
<budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>>
>
> Tony,
> When going with other than the MAC style stick grips, you are in
custom territory.
> I have had custom bending and welding done with a stud, and also
with a military style multipin connector in the top of a stick. I find
that custom stick grips usually come with proper spacers for 1 and 7/8
inch tubes. I would bet that the stick manufacturer has a solution to
the fitting, but not the cockpit clearances.
>
> The issue, as you have found, is the cockpit clearance is going to
require you to replace your sticks with custom bends to allow the grip
head, at your comfortable flying position, to give clearance all around
the cockpit. Nothing worse than testing an aircraft whose control limit
stops are the panel and persons anatomy. Also check the passenger side
as well.
>
> Regards,
> Bud Yerly
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tony Renshaw"
<tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com<mailto:tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:23 AM
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: Europa-List: Stick Grips
>
<tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com<mailto:tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>>
>>
>> Gidday,
>> I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they
are raked forward is giving me grief. I=99ve already cut them down
to suit, which works by having a 1=9D insert with a smaller
diameter hole that the grip mounts through. So, I am after a stick grip
that has a male stud sticking out the bottom that goes into a receptacle
that fits inside our sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??
>> Regards
>> Tony Renshaw
>
>
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Europa-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>
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Except I have cut down the sticks!
T
Sent from my iPad
> On 9 Jun 2014, at 11:08 pm, Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Tony,
>
> Take it from a friendly banana bender from the Sunshine State ......... push
bike handlebar grips are cheap and functional ..... Heh heh
>
> Do not archive
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 9 Jun 2014, at 10:33 pm, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Bud, Am I right that I can tinker with winding out the rod end at the bottom
of the control column, to get the whole range of the stick further aft. It
appears though the longer you make that arc, it alters the way the pitch pushrod
travels within the aileron tube, and you could create a bind. Unfortunately
I have a nice little 1 1/2" fence of 2 plies of BID that creates a surface to
protect my controls, and to allow a boot to attach to, which is basically in
the way of future close inspection. I think I might just rely on sound and feel
throughout the control movement range. Irritating, and unforeseen.
>> Regards
>> Tony Renshaw
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 9 Jun 2014, at 10:08 pm, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony,
>>> When going with other than the MAC style stick grips, you are in custom territory.
>>> I have had custom bending and welding done with a stud, and also with a military
style multipin connector in the top of a stick. I find that custom stick
grips usually come with proper spacers for 1 and 7/8 inch tubes. I would bet
that the stick manufacturer has a solution to the fitting, but not the cockpit
clearances.
>>>
>>> The issue, as you have found, is the cockpit clearance is going to require
you to replace your sticks with custom bends to allow the grip head, at your comfortable
flying position, to give clearance all around the cockpit. Nothing
worse than testing an aircraft whose control limit stops are the panel and persons
anatomy. Also check the passenger side as well.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bud Yerly
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:23 AM
>>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Stick Grips
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gidday,
>>>> I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are raked
forward is giving me grief. Ive already cut them down to suit, which works
by having a 1 insert with a smaller diameter hole that the grip mounts through.
So, I am after a stick grip that has a male stud sticking out the bottom that
goes into a receptacle that fits inside our sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??
>>>> Regards
>>>> Tony Renshaw
>
>
>
>
>
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Question for those who have test flown their Europa.
How far can you shorten the control stick and still comfortably land the
aircraft with the stabilizer stuck at full travel in either direction ,
without being Superman?
Lance Sandford
On 10/06/14 07:52, Tony Renshaw wrote:
>
> Except I have cut down the sticks!
> T
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 9 Jun 2014, at 11:08 pm, Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>> Take it from a friendly banana bender from the Sunshine State ......... push
bike handlebar grips are cheap and functional ..... Heh heh
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
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