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1. 12:34 AM - Re: Annual inspection (DAVID JOYCE)
2. 01:01 AM - Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?EUROFLY=99IN?= RSA - VICHY 2014 (Remi Guerner)
3. 01:16 AM - Re: Stick Grips NOW TRIM MOTOR AND RELAY DECK. (Bob Harrison)
4. 01:21 AM - Re: Stick Grips Now Runaway Trim control stick Loads...... (Bob Harrison)
5. 03:49 AM - Re: Stick Grips NOW TRIM MOTOR AND RELAY DECK. (Brian Davies)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: Headset Wiring (h&jeuropa)
7. 09:08 AM - Re: europa dash panel (Rowland Carson)
8. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: europa dash panel (PETER MORGANS)
9. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: europa dash panel (Tony Renshaw)
10. 10:36 PM - Re: europa dash panel (spcialeffects)
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| Subject: | Re: Annual inspection |
Neil France is also mobile and resides in Derbyshire, I would not let anyon
e else inspect my Europa (Tri Gear).=0A=0AHe flys in-using his own Kit Fo
x, does a sterling and methodical job and flys out again (it is preferable
you are there as lots to learn) he presents a more than acceptable bill.=0A
=0Ahope this helps?=0A=0Argds=0ADJ=0Athe other one-=0ASent to you-by Da
vid Joyce=0Awww.eastmidsspas.com- =0A-=0APLEASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED AND
ARE NOW AT=0AThe Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham Road Ripley Derbys DE5 3AS
=0A160 Meters from Sainsbury's Island=0A-=0ASame Phone 0800 4102122 and D
irect Mobile 07973 675755=0A-=0A =0A=0A________________________________
=0A From: danny shepherd <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>=0ATo: Matronics <europ
a-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tuesday, 10 June 2014, 20:37=0ASubject: Re:
danny shepherd <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>=0A=0ARicky. I,m based at mona .
My inspected is Pete whitehead based at sleep he,s quite to come over to m
ona. Preston is not that far from sleep. He,s a nice guy, I,m sure he,'ll b
e happy to help you out .- All the best danny g ceri=0A=0ABrian Davies w
ra.co.uk>=0A=0AHi Richard,=0A=0AYes, I think so, but if in doubt ring Ken C
raigie, LAA Chief Inspector.- He=0Ainvented the system=0A=0ARegards=0A=0A
Brian=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-europa-list-server@matr
onics.com=0A[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ri
chard Iddon=0ASent: 10 June 2014 09:51=0ATo: Europa Forum=0ASubject: Re: Eu
d Iddon <riddon@sent.com>=0A=0AThanks Brian.=0A=0AWould an inspector rate A
-A also be suitable?- =0A=0ARichard.=0A=0AOn 9 Jun 2014, at 19:20, Brian
Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> wrote:=0A=0A> --> Europa-List message pos
ted by: "Brian Davies" =0A> --> <brian.davies@clara.co.uk>=0A> =0A> All LAA
inspectors are granted approvals for one or more of 12 =0A> different cate
gories of aircraft.- They are also granted approvals for =0A> different t
asks e.g. Final inspection before first flight.- Go to the =0A> LAA websi
te and click on the Aircraft & Technical bar on the left and =0A> the drop
down menu has a "find an inspector" line.- Put in your post =0A> code and
it will give you a list of inspectors and their approvals in =0A> your are
a. You need an inspector approved for A-C2 ( all fixed wing =0A> airframes
of primarily composite=0A> construction.)=0A> =0A> Regards=0A> =0A> Brian D
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ts annual and my current inspector has retired. I =0A> contacted a differen
t inspector who told me that he couldn't inspect =0A> my aircraft as it was
'complex'. I wasn't aware that a tri gear was a =0A> complex aircraft. Can
anyone enlighten me?=0A> =0A> Richard Iddon=0A> =0A> G-RIXS=0A> =0A> =0A>
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| Subject: | Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?EUROFLY=99IN?= RSA - VICHY 2014 |
I will be there Saturday Sunday. We usually have half a dozen french Europas most
of them staying only a few hours and some more from UK. It proved to be very
difficult to arrange a dedicated parking area due to the lack of ground volunteers
to handle the task.
See you there
Remi
F-PGKL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424690#424690
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| Subject: | Stick Grips NOW TRIM MOTOR AND RELAY DECK. |
Hi! Tony William and all,
Hey ! Don=99t put me down as an authority on all things electrical
please. No way am I competent in this regard. However I would expect
that a relay does two things One :- it acts as a preliminary switching
device to save full power going through your micro switches . Two :- it
ensures that the polarity of the current is not crossed in a circuit
that employs reversed current operation.(Like in duplicated switching of
the same operation from both panel and control stick top.
The original Europa Kit no doubt presumed that you will utilise a switch
big enough to handle full power but then left you to get the switches !
NOW perhaps someone will pop their heads and help you with some better
knowledge on subject than me. please.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Renshaw
Sent: 10 June 2014 23:50
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips NOW TRIM MOTOR AND RELAY DECK.
Hi Bob and William,
Here is the relay deck. Not sure why we need one, or if, as to my
knowledge I was never supplied one, nor have I checked the manual to see
if it is included in the wiring diagram. Pretty remiss of Europa if the
servo actually needs one of these things, which is why I am wondering if
it is a mod, Bob. It says for every servo you need one of these relays.
Does anyone know what they actually do, and why it states they are
needed? I can run my servo directly from a 12 V power supply with no
problem.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sent from my iPad
On 11 Jun 2014, at 1:51 am, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
wrote:
Hi! William.
The question initially has revolved around the length of the control
stick and loads needed when out of maximum trim.
My issue was nothing to do with the trim motor, however in your position
you should plan the securing of it so that you would be able to remove
it in an unlikely eventuality of failure because when the top is on it
is a bastard to access. However recently there was much chat about the
plastic clevises needing 1/8=9D removed from their threaded ends
before linking them with the brass threaded rod to facilitate more
movement of the trim and stabilators on final inspection.( Hopefully you
picked up on that ?)
My trim reversal problem was not to do with the trim motor but the relay
deck it had an inherent fault which became masked once the motor had
travelled to full trim and I had numerous major debates with the
Menzemer chaps always culminating in them alleging my wiring was at
fault. Until one day I had yet another event and when I contacted them I
discovered that they were now supplying the MARK II relay deck which is
faultless but of different shape also making it an arse to shift things
around on the back of the panel.
You need to shout out on the Europa Club pages as to how many others
have had this problem and then probably =9Cbite the
bullet=9D and get the MARK II fitted and done with it.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Daniell
Sent: 10 June 2014 14:50
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
Thanks...but you had a runaway trim? if is was a particular model I am
wondering whether I shd change my trim motor (Mac) prior to putting the
top on (I cant imgaine this is much fun with the top on!)
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
wrote:
Hi! William
................Just don=99t shorten the control stick ......use
the bent one and fix it by rotating it to best position.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Daniell
Sent: 10 June 2014 13:20
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim
issue please
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744 <tel:%2B57%20310%20295%200744>
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
wrote:
<sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Bob
Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.
Regards
Lance Sandford
On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:
<ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER. TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE
Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger
probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical
strengths of the linkages ! When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get
the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up
trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end
of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem
was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end
of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay .
Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance
Sandford
Sent: 10 June 2014 01:13
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
--> <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Question for those who have test flown their Europa.
How far can you shorten the control stick and still comfortably land the
aircraft with the stabilizer stuck at full travel in either direction ,
without being Superman?
Lance Sandford
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| Subject: | Stick Grips Now Runaway Trim control stick Loads...... |
Hi! Tony,
MARK II relay deck was produced by the Menzimer organisation to
eliminate a switching reversal problem in the MARK I ...... as I have
said in the other message if your panel switch alone in happy using full
power it is probable that it doesn=99t require a relay to protect
it.
I would expect that Menzimers no longer produce the MARK I so no chance
of mixing them if you order one. However ensure that your switch is
happy handling full power in regular use.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Renshaw
Sent: 10 June 2014 23:43
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips Now Runaway Trim control stick
Loads......
Hi Bob,
What is the Mk II model no please? Do you know how it is different,
other than shape which is a real bitch.
Tony R.
Sent from my iPad
On 11 Jun 2014, at 2:09 am, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
wrote:
Peter.....it is more than you would want for much more than 10 minutes.
Please note I have not been talking about a runaway situation. Just a
rogue relay deck not reversing until reaching the end of the travel.
That has now been rectified by fitting the MARK II relay from Ford Allan
/Menzimer organisation.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Zutrauen
Sent: 10 June 2014 14:30
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
approx how many pounds of push/pull stick force is it at cruise with a
runaway trim (with a stock length stick)?
cheers & thx,
Pete
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
wrote:
Hi! William
................Just don=99t shorten the control stick ......use
the bent one and fix it by rotating it to best position.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Daniell
Sent: 10 June 2014 13:20
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim
issue please
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744 <tel:%2B57%20310%20295%200744>
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
wrote:
<sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Bob
Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.
Regards
Lance Sandford
On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:
<ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER. TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE
Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger
probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical
strengths of the linkages ! When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get
the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up
trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end
of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem
was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end
of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay .
Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance
Sandford
Sent: 10 June 2014 01:13
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
--> <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Question for those who have test flown their Europa.
How far can you shorten the control stick and still comfortably land the
aircraft with the stabilizer stuck at full travel in either direction ,
without being Superman?
Lance Sandford
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MS -
k">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Stick Grips NOW TRIM MOTOR AND RELAY DECK. |
Tony,
You only need one if you are controlling trim from more than one source.
e.g. panel switch and stick grip switches or both stick grips. The
standard Europa configuration does not need a relay deck.
Regards
Brian
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Renshaw
Sent: 10 June 2014 23:50
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips NOW TRIM MOTOR AND RELAY DECK.
Hi Bob and William,
Here is the relay deck. Not sure why we need one, or if, as to my
knowledge I was never supplied one, nor have I checked the manual to see
if it is included in the wiring diagram. Pretty remiss of Europa if the
servo actually needs one of these things, which is why I am wondering if
it is a mod, Bob. It says for every servo you need one of these relays.
Does anyone know what they actually do, and why it states they are
needed? I can run my servo directly from a 12 V power supply with no
problem.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sent from my iPad
On 11 Jun 2014, at 1:51 am, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
wrote:
Hi! William.
The question initially has revolved around the length of the control
stick and loads needed when out of maximum trim.
My issue was nothing to do with the trim motor, however in your position
you should plan the securing of it so that you would be able to remove
it in an unlikely eventuality of failure because when the top is on it
is a bastard to access. However recently there was much chat about the
plastic clevises needing 1/8=9D removed from their threaded ends
before linking them with the brass threaded rod to facilitate more
movement of the trim and stabilators on final inspection.( Hopefully you
picked up on that ?)
My trim reversal problem was not to do with the trim motor but the relay
deck it had an inherent fault which became masked once the motor had
travelled to full trim and I had numerous major debates with the
Menzemer chaps always culminating in them alleging my wiring was at
fault. Until one day I had yet another event and when I contacted them I
discovered that they were now supplying the MARK II relay deck which is
faultless but of different shape also making it an arse to shift things
around on the back of the panel.
You need to shout out on the Europa Club pages as to how many others
have had this problem and then probably =9Cbite the
bullet=9D and get the MARK II fitted and done with it.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Daniell
Sent: 10 June 2014 14:50
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
Thanks...but you had a runaway trim? if is was a particular model I am
wondering whether I shd change my trim motor (Mac) prior to putting the
top on (I cant imgaine this is much fun with the top on!)
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
wrote:
Hi! William
................Just don=99t shorten the control stick ......use
the bent one and fix it by rotating it to best position.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Daniell
Sent: 10 June 2014 13:20
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim
issue please
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744 <tel:%2B57%20310%20295%200744>
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
wrote:
<sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Bob
Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.
Regards
Lance Sandford
On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:
<ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER. TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE
Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger
probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical
strengths of the linkages ! When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get
the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up
trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end
of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem
was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end
of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay .
Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance
Sandford
Sent: 10 June 2014 01:13
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
--> <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Question for those who have test flown their Europa.
How far can you shorten the control stick and still comfortably land the
aircraft with the stabilizer stuck at full travel in either direction ,
without being Superman?
Lance Sandford
st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
MS -
k">http://forums.matronics.com
e -
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Wiring |
Tony,
Your audio panel or intercom install manual should have detailed instructions.
Follow them. PS Engineering has a good website with lots of information on
audio panels and intercoms. You can download any of their install manuals to
see the wiring diagram.
In general the microphone needs three wires inside a shield like you've selected.
A wire each for audio, audio ground and push to talk. The shield is not connected
at the jack, only at the audio panel or intercom. In theory you really
don't need the push to talk in the shielded cable, it could be a separate 18-22
ga wire since it is only operating a relay but usually a three wire cable
is used for simplicity.
The headphone depends on whether you have a mono or stereo audio panel / intercom.
If stereo, then three wires in a shield , left audio, right audio and audio
ground. Shield not connected at the jack, only at the audio panel / intercom.
If mono, only two wires in a shield needed, audio and audio ground.
If you purchase three conductor cable (like that you show) and are using a mono
setup, just parallel two of the conductors to make it a two conductor cable -
for example, connect yellow and white together at each end.
The headphone and microphone jacks should be isolated from the panel. If you are
using the Europa module, this is automatically done since the panel is not
conductive. If you have metal panels in the Europa module, then isolate the jacks
with bushings available from B&C or ACS.
Jim Butcher
N241BW
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| Subject: | Re: europa dash panel |
On 11 Jun 2014, at 13:31, Andy Jones wrote:
> Hello,
>
> A couple of weeks ago I had a phone call regarding the cutting of another dash
panel, cant remember the guys name, said he was down in Merthyr Tydfil..
>
> He was going to send a profile drawing, but as yet I have seen nothing, do you
know who he was? He had seen your panel which I cut for you last year..
>
> Regards
>
> Andy
Andy - I seem to recall a query on the Europa builders e-mail list a while back,
but I can't locate it just now. I'm copying this reply to the Europa e-mail
list in the hope that it will jog the appropriate person into getting in touch
with you again.
Is anyone on the Europa list in Merthyr Tydfil trying to get in touch with Andy
at Herbert Phillips about water-jet cutting of an instrument panel?
Incidentally, Andy, I must say how pleased I am with the results of your water-jet
cutting. Here's a link to how the panel looks now that I have had it anodized
black, the labels laser-etched on it, and the instruments installed.
http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/radio_panel_populated.php
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: europa dash panel |
Hi Rowland,=0AIt's probably me - I spoke with Andy a couple of weeks ago af
ter reading your excellent article In the Europa Flyer; I've=C2-just spen
t so much time deciding which panel layout to use and what would fit I the
space available. I think I'm there now, so will send off .dxf to Andy. Atta
ched is pdf of my AutoCAD dwg.=0AIt was so nice to speak to someone with th
e 'can do' attitude.=0AI mentioned your article and was going to send him a
copy.=0A=0AIncidentally, I'm down in Milford Haven so there might be also
someone else in Merthyr.=0ARegards=0APeter Morgans=0A =0A=0A_______________
_________________=0A From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>=0ATo: E
uropa e-mail list list <europa-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Wednesday, 11 J
une 2014, 16:58=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: europa dash panel=0A =0A=0A-->
Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>=0A
=0AOn 11 Jun 2014, at 13:31, Andy Jones wrote:=0A=0A> Hello,=0A> =0A> A cou
ple of weeks ago I=C2- had a phone call regarding=C2- the cutting of an
other dash panel, can=99t remember the guys name, said he was down in
Merthyr Tydfil..=0A> =0A> He was going to send a profile drawing, but as y
et I have seen nothing,=C2- do you know who he was?=C2- He had seen you
r panel which I cut for you last year..=0A> =0A> Regards=0A> =0A> Andy=0A
=0AAndy - I seem to recall a query on the Europa builders e-mail list a whi
le back, but I can't locate it just now. I'm copying this reply to the Euro
pa e-mail list in the hope that it will jog the appropriate person into get
ting in touch with you again.=0A=0AIs anyone on the Europa list in Merthyr
Tydfil trying to get in touch with Andy at Herbert Phillips about water-jet
cutting of an instrument panel?=0A=0AIncidentally, Andy, I must say how pl
eased I am with the results of your water-jet cutting. Here's a link to how
the panel looks now that I have had it anodized black, the labels laser-et
ched on it, and the instruments installed.=0A=0Ahttp://www.rowlandcarson.or
g.uk/aviation/europa_435/radio_panel_populated.php=0A=0Ain friendship=0A=0A
Rowland=0A=0A| Rowland Carson=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- ... that's
Rowland with a 'w' ...=0A| <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>=C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/=0A| Skype, Twitter: r
owland_carson=C2- =C2- =C2- Facebook: Rowland Carson=0A| pictures: ht
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| Subject: | Re: europa dash panel |
hi Peter,
Before you fully decide, have a look at this panel by Gerry Holland.
Hope this helps rather than hinders. I think it is the best panel I have
seen on a Europa.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
I=92m going to stick with my smaller panel though, but I do love this.
On 12 Jun 2014, at 10:34 am, PETER MORGANS
<petermorgans181@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi Rowland,
> It's probably me - I spoke with Andy a couple of weeks ago after
reading your excellent article In the Europa Flyer; I've just spent so
much time deciding which panel layout to use and what would fit I the
space available. I think I'm there now, so will send off .dxf to Andy.
Attached is pdf of my AutoCAD dwg.
> It was so nice to speak to someone with the 'can do' attitude.
> I mentioned your article and was going to send him a copy.
>
> Incidentally, I'm down in Milford Haven so there might be also someone
else in Merthyr.
> Regards
> Peter Morgans
> From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
> To: Europa e-mail list list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2014, 16:58
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: europa dash panel
>
<rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
>
> On 11 Jun 2014, at 13:31, Andy Jones wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > A couple of weeks ago I had a phone call regarding the cutting of
another dash panel, can=92t remember the guys name, said he was down in
Merthyr Tydfil..
> >
> > He was going to send a profile drawing, but as yet I have seen
nothing, do you know who he was? He had seen your panel which I cut
for you last year..
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Andy
>
> Andy - I seem to recall a query on the Europa builders e-mail list a
while back, but I can't locate it just now. I'm copying this reply to
the Europa e-mail list in the hope that it will jog the appropriate
person into getting in touch with you again.
>
> Is anyone on the Europa list in Merthyr Tydfil trying to get in touch
with Andy at Herbert Phillips about water-jet cutting of an instrument
panel?
>
> Incidentally, Andy, I must say how pleased I am with the results of
your water-jet cutting. Here's a link to how the panel looks now that I
have had it anodized black, the labels laser-etched on it, and the
instruments installed.
>
>
http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/radio_panel_populated.
php
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/
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| Subject: | Re: europa dash panel |
I agree tony, that's a great usable panel only question is how did he get it through
the LAA?? In the UK all mods have to be documented and approved. I would
like to have full width panel in my europa by the paperwork is just too much
plus you can never seem to get hole of anyone at the laa. So Gerry Holland if
your reading this please let us know how you got this approved.
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