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1. 12:50 AM - Re: Europa wind tips (spcialeffects)
2. 03:04 AM - Europa XS Kit for sale (flyingphil2)
3. 03:16 AM - Re:Europa wind tips (Cpayne)
4. 09:52 AM - Re: Europa wind tips (spcialeffects)
5. 10:06 AM - DOOR detached during flight (g-fizy)
6. 10:07 AM - DOOR detached during flight (g-fizy)
7. 10:08 AM - DOOR detached during flight (g-fizy)
8. 10:11 AM - Re: DOOR detached during flight (Dean Seitz)
9. 11:08 AM - Re: DOOR detached during flight (Brian Davies)
10. 01:02 PM - Re: DOOR detached during flight (g-fizy)
11. 01:47 PM - Re: DOOR detached during flight (JonSmith)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa wind tips |
What exactly are the Craig? Got a photo
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| Subject: | Europa XS Kit for sale |
Chaps,
I think I've had enough! Life is too short and Europa builds are too long.
Would anyone like to make an offer on a XS mono kit? Little work completed so
still able to be built and finished as a Tri-gear.
PM me if interested.
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| Subject: | Re:Europa wind tips |
Make that Wing tips, fat fingered the keyboard. Have photos, send email if interested.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Europa wind tips |
When you say wing tips do you mean the original blue foam tips?
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| Subject: | DOOR detached during flight |
Sadly during the permit renewal test flight ,The P1 Door detached,Luckily no one
was her and G-fixy was landed safely .
It Was flown be the engineer and text pilot they had not started testing the aircraft
,and was in level flight when the door went as it did it impacted the elevator
and to a large chunk out.
They say The doors Were both Closed correctly so we are not sure if the hinge at
the front failed causing the door to detach ,they don't look very strong.
Has This Happened Before ?
thats my flying done for a while :( :( :(
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| Subject: | DOOR detached during flight |
Sadly during the permit renewal test flight ,The P1 Door detached,Luckily no one
was hert and G-fizy was landed safely .
It Was flown be the engineer and text pilot they had not started testing the aircraft
,and was in level flight when the door went as it did it impacted the elevator
and to a large chunk out.
They say The doors Were both Closed correctly so we are not sure if the hinge at
the front failed causing the door to detach ,they don't look very strong.
Has This Happened Before ?
thats my flying done for a while :( :( :(
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owner g-fizy
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| Subject: | DOOR detached during flight |
Sadly during the permit renewal test flight ,The P1 Door detached,Luckily no one
was hurt and G-fizy was landed safely .
It Was flown be the engineer and text pilot they had not started testing the aircraft
,and was in level flight when the door went as it did it impacted the elevator
and to a large chunk out.
They say The doors Were both Closed correctly so we are not sure if the hinge at
the front failed causing the door to detach ,they don't look very strong.
Has This Happened Before ?
thats my flying done for a while :( :( :(
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| Subject: | Re: DOOR detached during flight |
Yes it happened when the rear pin was not engaged in the socket. Been there, done
that.
N284A
---- g-fizy <jim.davis1@me.com> wrote:
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> Sadly during the permit renewal test flight ,The P1 Door detached,Luckily no
one was her and G-fixy was landed safely .
> It Was flown be the engineer and text pilot they had not started testing the
aircraft ,and was in level flight when the door went as it did it impacted the
elevator and to a large chunk out.
> They say The doors Were both Closed correctly so we are not sure if the hinge
at the front failed causing the door to detach ,they don't look very strong.
> Has This Happened Before ?
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> thats my flying done for a while :( :( :(
>
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> owner g-fizy
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| Subject: | DOOR detached during flight |
Jim
Sorry to hear about the door problem. To the best of my knowledge all
instances of a door opening in flight have been as a result of the rear
shoot bolt not being properly engaged. There could be a first time for a
different cause but.... Did you manage to recover the door?
There were problems with the length of engagement of the door pins early on
but I suspect this had been checked on your aircraft.
Regards
Brian Davies
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Subject: Europa-List: DOOR detached during flight
Sadly during the permit renewal test flight ,The P1 Door detached,Luckily no
one was her and G-fixy was landed safely .
It Was flown be the engineer and text pilot they had not started testing the
aircraft ,and was in level flight when the door went as it did it impacted
the elevator and to a large chunk out.
They say The doors Were both Closed correctly so we are not sure if the
hinge at the front failed causing the door to detach ,they don't look very
strong.
Has This Happened Before ?
thats my flying done for a while :( :( :(
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| Subject: | Re: DOOR detached during flight |
sadly Brian the area where the door detached was to large and they were unsure
of the exact location ,the rear pins were long enough the front pins not quite
as long they always seemed to hold firm ,but as i was not with them at the time
of flight we msy never no
regards jim
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| Subject: | Re: DOOR detached during flight |
Unfortunately this has happened a fair few times, indeed to a mate of mine just
last year.
What happens is that the (rear mounted) gas strut twists the door frame a little
when it is open. Thus when the door is lowered to close it, it naturally wants
to take up a position where the bottom edge of the door is slightly too far
aft. This causes the rear edge of the door to remain outside of the door frame.
Positioned thus, when you lock the door the front shoot bolt locates normally
but the rear one locates itself OUTSIDE of the door frame. From inside
the front of the door looks normal and the lock handle looks and feels normal
too. Only by looking round behind you will you see that the rear edge of the
door is out of position. Of course air pressure on the door in flight will then
flex it slightly further rearwards and then it's game over (for the door).
I find when I close the door from the inside, when it's fully lowered I apply a
slight pressure forwards with a finger on the inside of the front edge of the
door and that moves the bottom of the door frame forward slightly and you can
literally hear and feel it pop into it's correct and fully fitted position. This
has really become an instinctive movement for me. I also look at both ends
of the door from the inside to ensure they are fully snug in position. After
locking it I press outwards on both front and back of each door as a final check
to ensure each end of the door is fully secure.
Whilst you will never know for sure, my uneducated opinion is that there is very
little load on a correctly closed door in flight and if both shoot bolts are
correctly engaged the door cannot possible come open by accident.
Good luck and best wishes for a speedy repair.
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G-TERN
Classic Mono
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