---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/30/14: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:50 AM - Re: Europa wind tips (spcialeffects) 2. 03:04 AM - Europa XS Kit for sale (flyingphil2) 3. 03:16 AM - Re:Europa wind tips (Cpayne) 4. 09:52 AM - Re: Europa wind tips (spcialeffects) 5. 10:06 AM - DOOR detached during flight (g-fizy) 6. 10:07 AM - DOOR detached during flight (g-fizy) 7. 10:08 AM - DOOR detached during flight (g-fizy) 8. 10:11 AM - Re: DOOR detached during flight (Dean Seitz) 9. 11:08 AM - Re: DOOR detached during flight (Brian Davies) 10. 01:02 PM - Re: DOOR detached during flight (g-fizy) 11. 01:47 PM - Re: DOOR detached during flight (JonSmith) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa wind tips From: "spcialeffects" What exactly are the Craig? Got a photo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425755#425755 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:59 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europa XS Kit for sale From: "flyingphil2" Chaps, I think I've had enough! Life is too short and Europa builds are too long. Would anyone like to make an offer on a XS mono kit? Little work completed so still able to be built and finished as a Tri-gear. PM me if interested. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425756#425756 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:44 AM PST US From: Cpayne Subject: Europa-List: Re:Europa wind tips Make that Wing tips, fat fingered the keyboard. Have photos, send email if interested. Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:56 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa wind tips From: "spcialeffects" When you say wing tips do you mean the original blue foam tips? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425778#425778 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:54 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: DOOR detached during flight From: "g-fizy" Sadly during the permit renewal test flight ,The P1 Door detached,Luckily no one was her and G-fixy was landed safely . It Was flown be the engineer and text pilot they had not started testing the aircraft ,and was in level flight when the door went as it did it impacted the elevator and to a large chunk out. They say The doors Were both Closed correctly so we are not sure if the hinge at the front failed causing the door to detach ,they don't look very strong. Has This Happened Before ? thats my flying done for a while :( :( :( -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425779#425779 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171415_120.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171459_125.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171401_136.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:41 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: DOOR detached during flight From: "g-fizy" Sadly during the permit renewal test flight ,The P1 Door detached,Luckily no one was hert and G-fizy was landed safely . It Was flown be the engineer and text pilot they had not started testing the aircraft ,and was in level flight when the door went as it did it impacted the elevator and to a large chunk out. They say The doors Were both Closed correctly so we are not sure if the hinge at the front failed causing the door to detach ,they don't look very strong. Has This Happened Before ? thats my flying done for a while :( :( :( -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425780#425780 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171415_120.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171459_125.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171401_136.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:10 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: DOOR detached during flight From: "g-fizy" Sadly during the permit renewal test flight ,The P1 Door detached,Luckily no one was hurt and G-fizy was landed safely . It Was flown be the engineer and text pilot they had not started testing the aircraft ,and was in level flight when the door went as it did it impacted the elevator and to a large chunk out. They say The doors Were both Closed correctly so we are not sure if the hinge at the front failed causing the door to detach ,they don't look very strong. Has This Happened Before ? thats my flying done for a while :( :( :( -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425781#425781 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171415_120.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171459_125.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171401_136.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:09 AM PST US From: Dean Seitz Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOOR detached during flight Yes it happened when the rear pin was not engaged in the socket. Been there, done that. N284A ---- g-fizy wrote: > > Sadly during the permit renewal test flight ,The P1 Door detached,Luckily no one was her and G-fixy was landed safely . > It Was flown be the engineer and text pilot they had not started testing the aircraft ,and was in level flight when the door went as it did it impacted the elevator and to a large chunk out. > They say The doors Were both Closed correctly so we are not sure if the hinge at the front failed causing the door to detach ,they don't look very strong. > Has This Happened Before ? > > thats my flying done for a while :( :( :( > > -------- > owner g-fizy > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425779#425779 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171415_120.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171459_125.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171401_136.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:17 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: DOOR detached during flight Jim Sorry to hear about the door problem. To the best of my knowledge all instances of a door opening in flight have been as a result of the rear shoot bolt not being properly engaged. There could be a first time for a different cause but.... Did you manage to recover the door? There were problems with the length of engagement of the door pins early on but I suspect this had been checked on your aircraft. Regards Brian Davies -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of g-fizy Sent: 30 June 2014 18:06 Subject: Europa-List: DOOR detached during flight Sadly during the permit renewal test flight ,The P1 Door detached,Luckily no one was her and G-fixy was landed safely . It Was flown be the engineer and text pilot they had not started testing the aircraft ,and was in level flight when the door went as it did it impacted the elevator and to a large chunk out. They say The doors Were both Closed correctly so we are not sure if the hinge at the front failed causing the door to detach ,they don't look very strong. Has This Happened Before ? thats my flying done for a while :( :( :( -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425779#425779 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171415_120.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171459_125.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_06_30_171401_136.jpg ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:59 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: DOOR detached during flight From: "g-fizy" sadly Brian the area where the door detached was to large and they were unsure of the exact location ,the rear pins were long enough the front pins not quite as long they always seemed to hold firm ,but as i was not with them at the time of flight we msy never no regards jim -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425786#425786 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:51 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: DOOR detached during flight From: "JonSmith" Unfortunately this has happened a fair few times, indeed to a mate of mine just last year. What happens is that the (rear mounted) gas strut twists the door frame a little when it is open. Thus when the door is lowered to close it, it naturally wants to take up a position where the bottom edge of the door is slightly too far aft. This causes the rear edge of the door to remain outside of the door frame. Positioned thus, when you lock the door the front shoot bolt locates normally but the rear one locates itself OUTSIDE of the door frame. From inside the front of the door looks normal and the lock handle looks and feels normal too. Only by looking round behind you will you see that the rear edge of the door is out of position. Of course air pressure on the door in flight will then flex it slightly further rearwards and then it's game over (for the door). I find when I close the door from the inside, when it's fully lowered I apply a slight pressure forwards with a finger on the inside of the front edge of the door and that moves the bottom of the door frame forward slightly and you can literally hear and feel it pop into it's correct and fully fitted position. This has really become an instinctive movement for me. I also look at both ends of the door from the inside to ensure they are fully snug in position. After locking it I press outwards on both front and back of each door as a final check to ensure each end of the door is fully secure. Whilst you will never know for sure, my uneducated opinion is that there is very little load on a correctly closed door in flight and if both shoot bolts are correctly engaged the door cannot possible come open by accident. Good luck and best wishes for a speedy repair. -------- G-TERN Classic Mono Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425788#425788 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.