---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/05/14: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:34 AM - Re: DOOR detached during flight (g-fizy) 2. 02:04 AM - Re: Re: DOOR detached during flight (Kingsley Hurst) 3. 02:04 AM - Europa owners club AGM & Flyin at Popham 12/13 July (alan_hunter1664) 4. 02:58 AM - Re: Re: DOOR detached during flight (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 5. 04:15 AM - vibration effects on bolts (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 6. 05:34 AM - Re: DOOR detached during flight (John Wighton) 7. 06:55 AM - Re: vibration effects on bolts (duanefamly@aol.com) 8. 10:54 AM - Re: vibration effects on bolts (Nigel Graham) 9. 12:57 PM - Re: vibration effects on bolts (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net) 10. 01:18 PM - Re: vibration effects on bolts (Fred Klein) 11. 02:12 PM - Glider Wings for Sale (rampil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: DOOR detached during flight From: "g-fizy" just a note the front hinge broke and the back hinge remained intact i dont no if they was the cause of the door failing ,,BUT i have had i lot of been Their Done that comments . So How many Doors have Detached In flight even if the back pin has not located correctly the front should still be able to keep the door closed for safty reasons i am just glad they got down ok looking at the elevator damage they were lucky -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426112#426112 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: DOOR detached during flight From: Kingsley Hurst Graham, Sorry but my previous email went prematurely for some unknown reason. I shall try again ......... The little auxiliary latches you refer to on Mal's plane do not guarantee th e proper engagement of the rear shoot bolts. I have had several instances w here the rear shoot bolt has not engaged properly but so far it has been qui te obvious at the time. I find the doors are somewhat temperamental to tem perature and how long they have been left open. Most of the time they shut q uite easily but sometimes they are the pits to shut from the inside and the l ittle latches have no affect in respect of either. Cheers mate Kingsley Sent from my iPad > On 4 Jul 2014, at 7:24 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > > Yes. Mal McLure, years ago. > Kingsley, do you have details of it? > Graham > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:58 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europa owners club AGM & Flyin at Popham 12/13 July From: "alan_hunter1664" Can anyone provide me details of the subject event, like how to register etc. the web site only gives date & location. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426113#426113 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:21 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: DOOR detached during flight That's disappointing. I was sure when he demonstrated it to me that the rea r bolt=0Ahad to go in if the latch was engaged.=0A=0AI spent several days d esigning and building a third bolt midway along the rail. =0A(Paul McAllist er's XS) On that one the bolts would not move unless the middle =0Abolt cou ld enter its hole. Not really keen on it though, it weakens the rail and is really fiddly to do.=0A=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThe little auxiliary latches you refer to on Mal's plan e do not guarantee the proper engagement of the rear shoot bolts. -I have had several instances where the rear shoot bolt has not engaged properly b ut so far it has been quite obvious at the time. - I find the doors are s omewhat temperamental to temperature and how long they have been left open. -Most of the time they shut quite easily but sometimes they are the pits to shut from the inside and the little latches have no affect in respect o f either.-=0A=0ACheers mate=0A=0AKingsley=0A=0A=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0A =0AOn 4 Jul 2014, at 7:24 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:=0A=0A=0AYes. Mal McLure, years ago. =0A>Kingsley, do you have d ===================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:51 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Europa-List: vibration effects on bolts All=0Athis is a very interesting article explaing how bolts loosen due to v ibration.=0AVery interesting.=0A=0Ahttp://www.boltscience.com/pages/junkert estvideo.htm=0A=0AGraham ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:09 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: DOOR detached during flight From: "John Wighton" The idea of a hinge designed to fail first after a door opening in flight incident is interesting. Best to prevent the door opening in the first place? The C150 Aerobat and other planes have doors that can be jettisoned deliberately to aid egress in the event of an inflight incident (like the wings folding maybe). This idea seems sound as it is in keeping with the regs for the category of aircraft. For those who wish to add structurally inefficient kgs to the weight of their aircraft then reinforcing the doors may be a route they wish to take. But where does this process end? Double harnesses in case one fails? Spare set of wings! If the number of unintended canopy/door incidents is sufficient the LAA will no doubt take a view and introduce a fix via an MPD. Personally l think the incidents recorded appear to be low in comparison to the total fleet flights. Perhaps we can get this info from MM at the LAA? -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426123#426123 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: vibration effects on bolts From: duanefamly@aol.com This is a very interesting video. It shows how, even with locking washers, bolts and nuts simply back-off under vibration. But it stops there. No help about what to do to prevent this problem. More research, I guess. Mike Duane -----Original Message----- From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Sent: Sat, Jul 5, 2014 4:16 am Subject: Europa-List: vibration effects on bolts All this is a very interesting article explaing how bolts loosen due to vibrati on. Very interesting. http://www.boltscience.com/pages/junkertestvideo.htm Graham ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:47 AM PST US From: Nigel Graham Subject: Re: Europa-List: vibration effects on bolts I couldn't help smiling while reading this. I am involved with the restoration of a Jaguar XK120 and a few months back, visited an ex Jaguar racing mechanic (well past retirement age) at his immaculate workshop while searching for obscure bits. During a very interesting discussion, he explained that years ago, Jags were plagued with problems with the bell housing bolts backing out during endurance races. The solution, discovered by trial and error, was to replace the helical spring washer with plain washers. These old timers know a thing or two! Nowadays we have technology on our side - and thread locker. Nigel On 05/07/2014 14:54, duanefamly@aol.com wrote: > This is a very interesting video. It shows how, even with locking > washers, bolts and nuts simply back-off under vibration. But it stops > there. No help about what to do to prevent this problem. More > research, I guess. > Mike Duane > -----Original Message----- > From: GRAHAM SINGLETON > To: europa-list > Sent: Sat, Jul 5, 2014 4:16 am > Subject: Europa-List: vibration effects on bolts > > All > this is a very interesting article explaing how bolts loosen due to > vibration. > Very interesting. > > http://www.boltscience.com/pages/junkertestvideo.htm > > Graham > * > > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: vibration effects on bolts From: ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net =0A=0A<<>>=0A=0AAnd wire locking!=0A=0ADMcF.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Nigel Graham =0ATo: eu ropa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 19:02=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: vibration effects on bolts=0A=0A=0AI couldn't help smiling while reading this. =0AI am involved with the restorat ion of a Jaguar XK120 and a few months back, visited an ex Jaguar racing mechanic (well past retirement age) at his immaculate workshop while searching for obscure bits. During a very interesting discussion, he explained that years ago, Jags were plagued with problems with the bell housing bolts backing out during endurance races. The solution, discovered by trial and error, was to replace the helical spring washer with plain washers.=0AThese old timers know a thing or two!=0ANowaday s we have technology on our side - and thread locker.=0A=0AN igel=0A=0A=0AOn 05/07/2014 14:54, duanefamly@aol.com wrote:=0A=0A=0AThis is a very interesting video. It shows how, even with lock ing washers, bolts and nuts simply back-off under vibration. B ut it stops there. No help about what to do to prevent t his problem. More research, I guess.=0A =0AMike Duane=0A =0A =0A -----Original Message-----=0AFrom: GRAHAM SINGLETON =0ATo: europa-list =0ASent: Sat, Jul 5, 2014 4:16 am=0ASubject: Europa-List: vibration effects on bolts=0A=0A=0A=0AAll=0Athis is a very interesting article explain g how bolts loosen due to vibration.=0AVery interesting.=0A=0Ahttp ://www.boltscience.com/pages/junkertestvideo.htm=0A=0AGraham=0A=0Aarget="_b lank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Listp://forums.matronics.com =========================== =========================== ====-= - The Europa-List Email Forum --= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to br owse-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription ,-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,- = Photoshare, and much much more:-=-= -- http:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List-=-========== =========================== =======================-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS --= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!-=- = -- http://forums.matronics.com-=-========= =========================== ========================-= - List Contribution Web Site -- = Thank you for your generous support!-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin.-= -- http://www.matronics.com/contributio n-========================= =========================== =========0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:29 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: vibration effects on bolts I=92ve read that the reason for the XK120 being a two seater was to provide space for a mechanic to ride along at all times=85 On Jul 5, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Nigel Graham wrote: > I couldn't help smiling while reading this. > I am involved with the restoration of a Jaguar XK120 and a few months back, visited an ex Jaguar racing mechanic (well past retirement age) at his immaculate workshop while searching for obscure bits. During a very interesting discussion, he explained that years ago, Jags were plagued with problems with the bell housing bolts backing out during endurance races. The solution, discovered by trial and error, was to replace the helical spring washer with plain washers. > These old timers know a thing or two! > Nowadays we have technology on our side - and thread locker. > > Nigel > > On 05/07/2014 14:54, duanefamly@aol.com wrote: >> This is a very interesting video. It shows how, even with locking washers, bolts and nuts simply back-off under vibration. But it stops there. No help about what to do to prevent this problem. More research, I guess. >> >> Mike Duane >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: GRAHAM SINGLETON >> To: europa-list >> Sent: Sat, Jul 5, 2014 4:16 am >> Subject: Europa-List: vibration effects on bolts >> >> All >> this is a very interesting article explaing how bolts loosen due to vibration. >> Very interesting. >> >> http://www.boltscience.com/pages/junkertestvideo.htm >> >> Graham >> >> >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:09 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Glider Wings for Sale From: "rampil" Hi All, Regretfully, my motorglider wings are not very compatible with the short, rough airstrip that I recently moved to. A pity, really, since I was looking forward to soaring amid all the wonderful vertical development seen daily in mid Georgia! Remember, in the US, no medical is required to fly VFR, day or night, or IFR in a motorglider. Unlike LSA regulations, even a failed medical is not an impediment to flying a "Glider, Self-Launch". The wings are located at Custom Flight Creations in Seffner, FL. http://customflightcreations.com/ A brand new pair of Johnny's custom WingWalkers is also available for easy rig/derigging of the wings. If interested, contact Bud Yerly at Custom Flight. 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