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1. 03:40 AM - Tailplane twist (Tony Renshaw)
2. 05:12 AM - Re: Tailplane twist (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
3. 05:37 AM - Re: Tailplane twist (Christoph Both)
4. 10:14 AM - Re: He is back! (Bryan Allsop)
5. 05:51 PM - Re: Oshkosh AirVenture 2014 (Christoph Both)
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Gidday,
Whilst trying to sort out a difference in the trailing edges of my stabilators/elevators,
port one being higher, when I knew my jigs etc for setting up this
sort of thing was meticulous, if not my strength, I should probably have been
a jig builder not an aircraft builder, I came up with a possible solution Id like
to air. So, I noticed my tailplanes were not level when my wings were. I
have removed my torque tube pin receptacles from the port root closeouts, and
I endeavoured to get the stabs level prior to rebounding in the receptacles when
I realised I could lift the port tailplane, trying to take up slack in the
elongated pin receptacle holes, and I noticed the stud tailplane also moved. It
was then I realised the lifting of the port tailplane, from below, was rocking
the entire tail, torque tube and all. The lower fuselage hemisphere has a twist
in it, or so it seems. I dont quite know how this has now occurred, as I
know I would have put my tailplane torque tube in level, but now its not. Had
I left it the way it was, and didnt do the drive pin repair, it would have had
the Port tailplane higher than the left, and combined with single pilot weight
asymmetric loading, would have helped to created unwanted roll.
So, I now am thinking I might do a DNA mod, like the visualisation of two ladders
held 180 degrees opposed down the sides of a column, and then the column twisted,
and removed, leaving twisted ladders. If I do something similar with an
inert substrate, perpendicular to the floor, and twisted up from baggage bay
to tail, with a 2 ply fence layup, say 1 high on both sides, forgoing a 1-2 kg
penalty, would that not be a worthwhile outcome? It might only be on the lower
half of the fuse, but I suspect it will hold the tail section true. I also am
aware the top hemisphere might act like a continual, banded row of fences, and
to that end I need the advice of the list. Should I just jig the lower fuse,
the tailplane torque tube, and get the geometry sorted accordingly, and bond
the top on to hold it all without the twist?
Regards
Tony Renshaw
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| Subject: | Re: Tailplane twist |
Tony=0Ahave you had the top Clecoed on? It should be possible to correct th
e twist=0Ain the fuselage and lock it level when you finally bond the top o
n.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Tony Re
nshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: T
hursday, 17 July 2014, 11:39=0ASubject: Europa-List: Tailplane twist =0A
.com>=0A=0AGidday,=0AWhilst trying to sort out a difference in the trailing
edges of my stabilators/elevators, port one being higher, when I knew my j
igs etc for setting up this sort of thing was meticulous, if not my strengt
h, I should probably have been a jig builder not an aircraft builder, I cam
e up with a possible solution I=99d like to air. So, I noticed my tai
lplanes were not level when my wings were.=C2- I have removed my torque t
ube pin receptacles from the port root closeouts, and I endeavoured to get
the stabs level prior to rebounding in the receptacles when I realised I co
uld lift the port tailplane, trying to take up slack in the elongated pin r
eceptacle holes, and I noticed the stud tailplane also moved. It was then I
realised the lifting of the port tailplane, from below, was rocking the en
tire tail, torque tube and all. The lower fuselage hemisphere has a twist i
n it, or so it seems. I don=99t quite know how this has now occurred,
as I know I would have put my
tailplane torque tube in !=0Alevel, but now its not. Had I left it the way
it was, and didn=99t do the drive pin repair, it would have had the
Port tailplane higher than the left, and combined with single pilot weight
asymmetric loading, would have helped to created unwanted roll. =0ASo, I no
w am thinking I might do a DNA mod, like the visualisation of two ladders h
eld 180 degrees opposed down the sides of a column, and then the column twi
sted, and removed, leaving twisted ladders. If I do something similar with
an inert substrate, perpendicular to the floor, and twisted up from baggage
bay to tail, with a 2 ply fence layup, say 1=9D high on both sides,
forgoing a 1-2 kg penalty, would that not be a worthwhile outcome? It might
only be on the lower half of the fuse, but I suspect it will hold the tail
section true. I also am aware the top hemisphere might act like a continua
l, banded row of fences, and to that end I need the advice of the list. Sho
uld I just jig the lower fuse, the tailplane torque tube, and get the geome
try sorted accordingly, and bond the top on to hold it all =9Cwithout
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Tailplane twist |
That is what I did. Bottom had a twist. Corrected when glueing the top on.
During building I hung a water pail on one of the tail plane stubs to keep
the open canoe straight.
Christoph Both
#223 Wolfville Nova Scotia Canada
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:13, "GRAHAM SINGLETON" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.co
m<mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> wrote:
Tony
have you had the top Clecoed on? It should be possible to correct the twist
in the fuselage and lock it level when you finally bond the top on.
Graham
________________________________
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com<mailto:tonyrenshaw268@gmail.co
m>>
Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2014, 11:39
Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane twist
ailto:tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>>
Gidday,
Whilst trying to sort out a difference in the trailing edges of my stabilat
ors/elevators, port one being higher, when I knew my jigs etc for setting u
p this sort of thing was meticulous, if not my strength, I should probably
have been a jig builder not an aircraft builder, I came up with a possible
solution I=92d like to air. So, I noticed my tailplanes were not level when
my wings were. I have removed my torque tube pin receptacles from the por
t root closeouts, and I endeavoured to get the stabs level prior to rebound
ing in the receptacles when I realised I could lift the port tailplane, try
ing to take up slack in the elongated pin receptacle holes, and I noticed t
he stud tailplane also moved. It was then I realised the lifting of the por
t tailplane, from below, was rocking the entire tail, torque tube and all.
The lower fuselage hemisphere has a twist in it, or so it seems. I don=92t
quite know how this has now occurred, as I know I would have put my tailpla
ne torque tube in !
level, but now its not. Had I left it the way it was, and didn=92t do the d
rive pin repair, it would have had the Port tailplane higher than the left,
and combined with single pilot weight asymmetric loading, would have helpe
d to created unwanted roll.
So, I now am thinking I might do a DNA mod, like the visualisation of two l
adders held 180 degrees opposed down the sides of a column, and then the co
lumn twisted, and removed, leaving twisted ladders. If I do something simil
ar with an inert substrate, perpendicular to the floor, and twisted up from
baggage bay to tail, with a 2 ply fence layup, say 1=94 high on both sides
, forgoing a 1-2 kg penalty, would that not be a worthwhile outcome? It mig
ht only be on the lower half of the fuse, but I suspect it will hold the ta
il section true. I also am aware the top hemisphere might act like a contin
ual, banded row of fences, and to that end I need the advice of the list. S
hould I just jig the lower fuse, the tailplane torque tube, and get the geo
metry sorted accordingly, and bond the top on to hold it all =93without=94
the twist?
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Hi Graham=2C David=2C and all=2C
Yes=2C I have bought a Europa Mono=2C namely G-NDOL. I have also acquired a
copy of "Teach Yourself To Fly"=2C and with a couple more weeks brumming
up and down the airfield I may be able to take off to join a Doth somewhere
.
The aircraft was originally a Classic powered by a Subaru engine=2C but it
has has since been extensively remodeled=2C and is now powered by a 912s wi
th a VP prop.
Has anyone got a redundant fixed pitch prop to sell to me? It may seem a s
trange request=2C but I am looking at ways to strip some weight out of her.
Here is to the future.
Bryan
From: grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: He is back!
Think I did a few inspections on that one when it had a Subaru.
Graham
From: Bob Hitchcock <robert.hitchcock@virgin.net>
To: Europa List <europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday=2C 13 July 2014=2C 23:11
Subject: Europa-List: He is back!
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Announcing the DOTH original Bryan Allsop has come out of retirement by the
purchase GNDOL= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
_ent also available via the Web=0A
-Matt Dralle=2C List Admin.======
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh AirVenture 2014 |
Hi All,
I plan to arrive as well, flying in from Canada. I look forward to meeting
you all - perhaps we can organize a EUROPA dinner together like we did a
few years ago? Suggestions?
Looking forward, it will be a first time experience working through a 30
page NOTAM to safe ground!
Christoph Both
#223 Europa C-GPEL
Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada
On 2014-07-15, 11:42 PM, "Timward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>Anyone venturing to the AirVenture this year? I shall be there Monday
>night until Saturday morning. Camping this time or, let's be truthful,
>staying in an American RV with friends from New Zealand. (RV -
>Recreational Vehicle, not the aircraft!). Five years since last there
>when John Wighton kindly took me up in his Europa. Certainly an
>experience giving way to the F1-11 doing their display while holding at
>800ft on final! Looking forward to see John Travolta and his Qantas 707!
>There is bound to be a BBQ at the Kiwi Camp one night so keep me in touch
>if you are there. Will be at the International Tent at times, so will
>leave my card there.
>
>Look forward to meeting the Europa Clan.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Tim
>
>Tim Ward
>12 Waiwetu Street
>Fendalton,
>Christchurch, 8052
>New Zealand.
>
>ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
>Ph 64 3 3515166
>Mob 0210640221
>
>
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