---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/17/14: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:40 AM - Tailplane twist (Tony Renshaw) 2. 05:12 AM - Re: Tailplane twist (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 3. 05:37 AM - Re: Tailplane twist (Christoph Both) 4. 10:14 AM - Re: He is back! (Bryan Allsop) 5. 05:51 PM - Re: Oshkosh AirVenture 2014 (Christoph Both) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:39 AM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane twist Gidday, Whilst trying to sort out a difference in the trailing edges of my stabilators/elevators, port one being higher, when I knew my jigs etc for setting up this sort of thing was meticulous, if not my strength, I should probably have been a jig builder not an aircraft builder, I came up with a possible solution Id like to air. So, I noticed my tailplanes were not level when my wings were. I have removed my torque tube pin receptacles from the port root closeouts, and I endeavoured to get the stabs level prior to rebounding in the receptacles when I realised I could lift the port tailplane, trying to take up slack in the elongated pin receptacle holes, and I noticed the stud tailplane also moved. It was then I realised the lifting of the port tailplane, from below, was rocking the entire tail, torque tube and all. The lower fuselage hemisphere has a twist in it, or so it seems. I dont quite know how this has now occurred, as I know I would have put my tailplane torque tube in level, but now its not. Had I left it the way it was, and didnt do the drive pin repair, it would have had the Port tailplane higher than the left, and combined with single pilot weight asymmetric loading, would have helped to created unwanted roll. So, I now am thinking I might do a DNA mod, like the visualisation of two ladders held 180 degrees opposed down the sides of a column, and then the column twisted, and removed, leaving twisted ladders. If I do something similar with an inert substrate, perpendicular to the floor, and twisted up from baggage bay to tail, with a 2 ply fence layup, say 1 high on both sides, forgoing a 1-2 kg penalty, would that not be a worthwhile outcome? It might only be on the lower half of the fuse, but I suspect it will hold the tail section true. I also am aware the top hemisphere might act like a continual, banded row of fences, and to that end I need the advice of the list. Should I just jig the lower fuse, the tailplane torque tube, and get the geometry sorted accordingly, and bond the top on to hold it all without the twist? Regards Tony Renshaw ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:37 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane twist Tony=0Ahave you had the top Clecoed on? It should be possible to correct th e twist=0Ain the fuselage and lock it level when you finally bond the top o n.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Tony Re nshaw =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: T hursday, 17 July 2014, 11:39=0ASubject: Europa-List: Tailplane twist =0A .com>=0A=0AGidday,=0AWhilst trying to sort out a difference in the trailing edges of my stabilators/elevators, port one being higher, when I knew my j igs etc for setting up this sort of thing was meticulous, if not my strengt h, I should probably have been a jig builder not an aircraft builder, I cam e up with a possible solution I=99d like to air. So, I noticed my tai lplanes were not level when my wings were.=C2- I have removed my torque t ube pin receptacles from the port root closeouts, and I endeavoured to get the stabs level prior to rebounding in the receptacles when I realised I co uld lift the port tailplane, trying to take up slack in the elongated pin r eceptacle holes, and I noticed the stud tailplane also moved. It was then I realised the lifting of the port tailplane, from below, was rocking the en tire tail, torque tube and all. The lower fuselage hemisphere has a twist i n it, or so it seems. I don=99t quite know how this has now occurred, as I know I would have put my tailplane torque tube in !=0Alevel, but now its not. Had I left it the way it was, and didn=99t do the drive pin repair, it would have had the Port tailplane higher than the left, and combined with single pilot weight asymmetric loading, would have helped to created unwanted roll. =0ASo, I no w am thinking I might do a DNA mod, like the visualisation of two ladders h eld 180 degrees opposed down the sides of a column, and then the column twi sted, and removed, leaving twisted ladders. If I do something similar with an inert substrate, perpendicular to the floor, and twisted up from baggage bay to tail, with a 2 ply fence layup, say 1=9D high on both sides, forgoing a 1-2 kg penalty, would that not be a worthwhile outcome? It might only be on the lower half of the fuse, but I suspect it will hold the tail section true. I also am aware the top hemisphere might act like a continua l, banded row of fences, and to that end I need the advice of the list. Sho uld I just jig the lower fuse, the tailplane torque tube, and get the geome try sorted accordingly, and bond the top on to hold it all =9Cwithout - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- ==================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:20 AM PST US From: Christoph Both Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane twist That is what I did. Bottom had a twist. Corrected when glueing the top on. During building I hung a water pail on one of the tail plane stubs to keep the open canoe straight. Christoph Both #223 Wolfville Nova Scotia Canada Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:13, "GRAHAM SINGLETON" > wrote: Tony have you had the top Clecoed on? It should be possible to correct the twist in the fuselage and lock it level when you finally bond the top on. Graham ________________________________ From: Tony Renshaw > Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2014, 11:39 Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane twist ailto:tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>> Gidday, Whilst trying to sort out a difference in the trailing edges of my stabilat ors/elevators, port one being higher, when I knew my jigs etc for setting u p this sort of thing was meticulous, if not my strength, I should probably have been a jig builder not an aircraft builder, I came up with a possible solution I=92d like to air. So, I noticed my tailplanes were not level when my wings were. I have removed my torque tube pin receptacles from the por t root closeouts, and I endeavoured to get the stabs level prior to rebound ing in the receptacles when I realised I could lift the port tailplane, try ing to take up slack in the elongated pin receptacle holes, and I noticed t he stud tailplane also moved. It was then I realised the lifting of the por t tailplane, from below, was rocking the entire tail, torque tube and all. The lower fuselage hemisphere has a twist in it, or so it seems. I don=92t quite know how this has now occurred, as I know I would have put my tailpla ne torque tube in ! level, but now its not. Had I left it the way it was, and didn=92t do the d rive pin repair, it would have had the Port tailplane higher than the left, and combined with single pilot weight asymmetric loading, would have helpe d to created unwanted roll. So, I now am thinking I might do a DNA mod, like the visualisation of two l adders held 180 degrees opposed down the sides of a column, and then the co lumn twisted, and removed, leaving twisted ladders. If I do something simil ar with an inert substrate, perpendicular to the floor, and twisted up from baggage bay to tail, with a 2 ply fence layup, say 1=94 high on both sides , forgoing a 1-2 kg penalty, would that not be a worthwhile outcome? It mig ht only be on the lower half of the fuse, but I suspect it will hold the ta il section true. I also am aware the top hemisphere might act like a contin ual, banded row of fences, and to that end I need the advice of the list. S hould I just jig the lower fuse, the tailplane torque tube, and get the geo metry sorted accordingly, and bond the top on to hold it all =93without=94 the twist? Regardshttp://forums.matronics tronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.c om/contri=============== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:42 AM PST US From: Bryan Allsop Subject: RE: Europa-List: He is back! Hi Graham=2C David=2C and all=2C Yes=2C I have bought a Europa Mono=2C namely G-NDOL. I have also acquired a copy of "Teach Yourself To Fly"=2C and with a couple more weeks brumming up and down the airfield I may be able to take off to join a Doth somewhere .. The aircraft was originally a Classic powered by a Subaru engine=2C but it has has since been extensively remodeled=2C and is now powered by a 912s wi th a VP prop. Has anyone got a redundant fixed pitch prop to sell to me? It may seem a s trange request=2C but I am looking at ways to strip some weight out of her. Here is to the future. Bryan From: grahamsingleton@btinternet.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: He is back! Think I did a few inspections on that one when it had a Subaru. Graham From: Bob Hitchcock To: Europa List Sent: Sunday=2C 13 July 2014=2C 23:11 Subject: Europa-List: He is back! et> Announcing the DOTH original Bryan Allsop has come out of retirement by the purchase GNDOL= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List _ent also available via the Web=0A -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin.====== =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:37 PM PST US From: Christoph Both Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh AirVenture 2014 Hi All, I plan to arrive as well, flying in from Canada. I look forward to meeting you all - perhaps we can organize a EUROPA dinner together like we did a few years ago? Suggestions? Looking forward, it will be a first time experience working through a 30 page NOTAM to safe ground! Christoph Both #223 Europa C-GPEL Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada On 2014-07-15, 11:42 PM, "Timward" wrote: > >Hi all, >Anyone venturing to the AirVenture this year? I shall be there Monday >night until Saturday morning. Camping this time or, let's be truthful, >staying in an American RV with friends from New Zealand. (RV - >Recreational Vehicle, not the aircraft!). Five years since last there >when John Wighton kindly took me up in his Europa. Certainly an >experience giving way to the F1-11 doing their display while holding at >800ft on final! Looking forward to see John Travolta and his Qantas 707! >There is bound to be a BBQ at the Kiwi Camp one night so keep me in touch >if you are there. Will be at the International Tent at times, so will >leave my card there. > >Look forward to meeting the Europa Clan. > >Cheers, > >Tim > >Tim Ward >12 Waiwetu Street >Fendalton, >Christchurch, 8052 >New Zealand. > >ward.t@xtra.co.nz > >Ph 64 3 3515166 >Mob 0210640221 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.