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1. 12:48 AM - France travelling (Tony Renshaw)
2. 03:12 AM - Re: French B&Bs (Bill & Sue)
3. 06:15 AM - Re: France travelling (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
4. 07:27 AM - Classic Radiators (spcialeffects)
5. 08:10 AM - Re: Classic Radiators (David Joyce)
6. 08:22 AM - Re: Classic Radiators (spcialeffects)
7. 08:23 AM - Re: Classic Radiators (Pete Lawless)
8. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Classic Radiators (David Joyce)
9. 10:20 AM - neat finishing link.... (Peter Zutrauen)
10. 05:07 PM - Re: Classic Radiators (jonathanmilbank)
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Subject: | France travelling |
Thanks to the Europa community for info regarding France. I apologise to anyone
who would have preferred I didnt ask off topic, but Europa brethren spread their
wings so often over there I figured there might be some valuable input, which
there has been. We are now staying in 2 or 3 places based on everyones recommendations.
Much appreciated all the help.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
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> 1. 12:55 AM - Re: French B&Bs (James Kelly)
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> Subject: Re: Europa-List: French B&Bs
> From: James Kelly <europajimkelly@gmail.com>
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> Hello Tony,
> If you are looking at really excellent accommodation at
> realistic prices in northwest France, you will not be able to beat Chris &
> Pat in Brittany. I've forwarded your info to them. You'll get great
> humour good accommodation and a guide to the area.
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> Best of luck Tony.
> Jim Kelly
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> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
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>> Gidday,
>> We are off to France next week, visiting Paris, Amiens, then down through
>> the Loire Valley, down to Bordeaux, then Toulouse, bit of the coast, then
>> back up to Paris. I know a lot of Brits holiday in France, and I=99
> d be
>> interested if anyone knows more about B&B holidaying in France, for
>> non-French speakers. I suppose B&Bs inherently have more of an issue with
>> language, and my French won=99t cut it, beyond what I have in my ph
> one App.
>> So, any help all gratefully accepted.
>> Regards
>> Tony Renshaw
>> P.S. If there is anyone else with a Europa other than Remi, who I am in
>> contact with, I=99d love to have a chat.
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> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: French B&Bs
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> Tony, Have a look at www.booking.com it lists available
> beds in any place you put in stretching from 5* hotels to
> B&Bs, very often at discounted prices. The rating scores
> are entirely reliable in my experience. Most hotels in
> France nowadays cope well in English, and I would suspect
> B&Bs would also. For our Europa trips round France & other
> European countries we rely totally on booking.com. We get
> up in the morning , check weather, decide on a
> destination, fix a hotel via booking.com & go. Works
> perfectly every time. Put in a town or village at random
> and check out availability for tomorrow and you will see
> how it works. A pity you are going to be there a bit ahead
> of the Club LSOW trip or we might have met up and flown
> you around a bit. Happy to tell you some of my favourite
> placesif you want to contact me off net.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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> On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:37:16 +1000
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>> <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
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>> Gidday,
>> We are off to France next week, visiting Paris, Amiens,
>> then down through the Loire Valley, down to Bordeaux,
>> then Toulouse, bit of the coast, then back up to Paris. I
>> know a lot of Brits holiday in France, and Id be
>> interested if anyone knows more about B&B holidaying in
>> France, for non-French speakers. I suppose B&Bs
>> inherently have more of an issue with language, and my
>> French wont cut it, beyond what I have in my phone App.
>> So, any help all gratefully accepted.
>> Regards
>> Tony Renshaw
>> P.S. If there is anyone else with a Europa other than
>> Remi, who I am in contact with, Id love to have a chat.
>>
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Tony,
We've used Gites de France http://en.gites-de-france.com/ for decades I think it is pretty much the only national source of B&Bs- I can't promise spoken English everywhere ( although almost invariably better than my French...) the website is getting better but it can be hard work to pin down locations- it was always thus since it was a French-only paperback publication! Worth the effort though, we've styed in some wonderful out-of-the-way places we would not have found unaided. Had some memorable meals booking the table d'hote at the B&Bs -often more like a family dinner party, but I used it to improve my French which may or may not suit you!
With random fly-ins I've also found the local Syndicat d'initiative (tourist offices)
really helpful and have never failed to find me somewhere good.
Enjoy!
Bill & Sue
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Subject: | Re: France travelling |
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=0ASent: Thursday, 14 August 2014, 8:48=0ASubject: Europa-List: France trav
w268@gmail.com>=0A=0AThanks to the Europa community for info regarding Fran
ce. I apologise to anyone who would have preferred I didn=99t ask off
topic, but Europa brethren spread their wings so often over there I figure
d there might be some valuable input, which there has been. We are now stay
ing in 2 or 3 places based on everyones recommendations. Much appreciated a
ll the help. =0ARegards=0ATony Renshaw=0A=0AOn 14 Aug 2014, at 5:02 pm, Eur
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king at really excellent accommodation at=0A> realistic prices in northwest
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=0A> d be=0A>> interested if anyone knows more about B&B holidaying in Fran
ce, for=0A>> non-French speakers. I suppose B&Bs inherently have more of an
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ching from 5* hotels to =0A> B&Bs, very often at discounted prices. The rat
ing scores =0A> are entirely reliable in my experience. Most hotels in =0A>
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also. For our Europa trips round France & other =0A> European countries we
rely totally on booking.com. We get =0A> up in the morning , check weather,
decide on a =0A> destination, fix a hotel via booking.com & go. Works =0A>
perfectly every time. Put in a town or village at random =0A> and check ou
t availability for tomorrow and you will see =0A> how it works. A pity you
are going to be there a bit ahead =0A> of the Club LSOW trip or we might ha
ve met up and flown =0A> you around a bit. Happy to tell you some of my fav
ourite =0A> placesif you want to contact me off net.=0A> Regards, David Joy
ce, G-XSDJ=0A> =0A> =0A> On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:37:16 +1000=0A>=C2- Tony
Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>> <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
=0A>> =0A>> Gidday,=0A>> We are off to France next week, visiting Paris, Am
iens, =0A>> then down through the Loire Valley, down to Bordeaux, =0A>> the
n Toulouse, bit of the coast, then back up to Paris. I =0A>> know a lot of
Brits holiday in France, and Id be =0A>> interested if anyone knows more ab
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=0A>> inherently have more of an issue with language, and my =0A>> French
wont cut it, beyond what I have in my phone App. =0A>> So, any help all gra
tefully accepted. =0A>> Regards=0A>> Tony Renshaw=0A>> P.S. If there is any
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Subject: | Classic Radiators |
So here i am again posting on our forum, to ask questions which can not be answered
by the company who made my kit. Before i continue i would like to say that.........if
i drove a 1960's BMW and went into BMW's today to ask for a part,
for that 50 year old car, they would look on their computer or micro fish and
tell me "we dont have that in stock but we can get it for you" or words to that
effect. The reason for this is because they have a drawing of it, which can
be recalled, to either order one OR make one. HOWEVER after a disappointing phone
call to europa today i find out that they do not have technical drawings
for the port and stbd radiators that were used on the original classic. In their
defence, or rather Karen's defense, i don't expect them to have any on the
shelf (which she did have, just one possibly port) but i do expect that they have
drawings of them for existing customers who are flying their machines and
will, at some point, experience failure.
So to my question. I am building kit 165 a europa classic. I have the original
cowls and want to use them as i like the look of them as opposed to the XS
style or Nev's new design (no offense nev) BUT europa are unable to supply me
with drawings and measurement's so that i can get the two radiators fabricated.
I am also fitting a Rotax 914 engine.
Has anyone got drawings for the rads that i can use to get some made?
Or has anyone got the rads and wouldn't mind lending them to me to so i can
get copies made? Or has someone done something else?
Also staying on the engine theme i would like to fit an inter cooler system
and would like to know from others who have this fitted where you got it and
rough cost please? Many thanks to all. A Frustrated builder, Frank X.
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Subject: | Re: Classic Radiators |
Frank, I a sure one of our Classic members will oblige
with the radiator measurements, and you may even strike
lucky and find someone with spare radiators. Have you
seen Nigel Graham's cowling design which is built round a
914 but incorporates a lot of design features that will
make it significantly more efficient? (Was at the Rally
last year). Certainly if I was starting again I would
abandon the moderately attractive Classic cowlings and get
some of his design, which are truly beautiful ! As to the
intercooler, it seems to me that the 914 works very nicely
as it is and is perfectly matched to the Europa. It also
means that the 914 is immune to carb icing (in my
experience personally , having flown in plenty of carb ice
favouring conditions, and having heard of no convincing
instance of carb icing from anyone else). An intercooler
is going to add weight and a few horsepower, which make
very little difference to top end performance. Improved
propeller characteristics, building light, reducing
external and internal drag all probably have a more
important bearing on performance.
Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 07:27:12 -0700
"spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote:
><spcialeffects@aol.com>
>
> So here i am again posting on our forum, to ask
>questions which can not be answered by the company who
>made my kit. Before i continue i would like to say
>that.........if i drove a 1960's BMW and went into BMW's
>today to ask for a part, for that 50 year old car, they
>would look on their computer or micro fish and tell me
>"we dont have that in stock but we can get it for you" or
>words to that effect. The reason for this is because they
>have a drawing of it, which can be recalled, to either
>order one OR make one. HOWEVER after a disappointing
>phone call to europa today i find out that they do not
>have technical drawings for the port and stbd radiators
>that were used on the original classic. In their defence,
>or rather Karen's defense, i don't expect them to have
>any on the shelf (which she did have, just one possibly
>port) but i do expect that they have drawings of them for
>existing customers who are flying their machines and
>will, at some point, experience failure.
> So to my question. I am building kit 165 a europa
>classic. I have the original cowls and want to use them
>as i like the look of them as opposed to the XS style or
>Nev's new design (no offense nev) BUT europa are unable
>to supply me with drawings and measurement's so that i
>can get the two radiators fabricated. I am also fitting a
>Rotax 914 engine.
> Has anyone got drawings for the rads that i
>can use to get some made? Or has anyone got the rads and
>wouldn't mind lending them to me to so i can get copies
>made? Or has someone done something else?
> Also staying on the engine theme i would like to
>fit an inter cooler system and would like to know from
>others who have this fitted where you got it and rough
>cost please? Many thanks to all. A Frustrated builder,
>Frank X.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428438#428438
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Subject: | Re: Classic Radiators |
Has anyone got a photo of Nigel Graham's cowling design?
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Subject: | Re: Classic Radiators |
Hi Frank
Having spent the morning doing the engine part of my annual I would not
recommend building a Classic front end. Concepts like 'I would like to
fit' are a complete pain as there is so little room to fit anything at
all in the Classic cowls. I do not know how big an inter cooler is but
just finding space in mine for water and oil thermostats suggests it may
not be possible. I should get a look under the hood of a Classic before
you decide. It is almost impossible to see down the back of the engine
let alone get your hand in.
Regards
Pete
G-RMAC Classic 912
On 14/08/14 15:27, spcialeffects wrote:
>
> So here i am again posting on our forum, to ask questions which can not be answered
by the company who made my kit. Before i continue i would like to say that.........if
i drove a 1960's BMW and went into BMW's today to ask for a part,
for that 50 year old car, they would look on their computer or micro fish and
tell me "we dont have that in stock but we can get it for you" or words to
that effect. The reason for this is because they have a drawing of it, which can
be recalled, to either order one OR make one. HOWEVER after a disappointing
phone call to europa today i find out that they do not have technical drawings
for the port and stbd radiators that were used on the original classic. In their
defence, or rather Karen's defense, i don't expect them to have any on the
shelf (which she did have, just one possibly port) but i do expect that they
have drawings of them for existing customers who are flying their machines and
will, at some point, experience failure.
> So to my question. I am building kit 165 a europa classic. I have the original
cowls and want to use them as i like the look of them as opposed to the
XS style or Nev's new design (no offense nev) BUT europa are unable to supply
me with drawings and measurement's so that i can get the two radiators fabricated.
I am also fitting a Rotax 914 engine.
> Has anyone got drawings for the rads that i can use to get some made?
Or has anyone got the rads and wouldn't mind lending them to me to so i can
get copies made? Or has someone done something else?
> Also staying on the engine theme i would like to fit an inter cooler system
and would like to know from others who have this fitted where you got it
and rough cost please? Many thanks to all. A Frustrated builder, Frank X.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428438#428438
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Classic Radiators |
Nigel Graham's contact details are in the front of the
Club magazine and no doubt he would be pleased to advise.
Regards, David
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:22:33 -0700
"spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote:
><spcialeffects@aol.com>
>
> Has anyone got a photo of Nigel Graham's cowling design?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428442#428442
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>Un/Subscription,
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Subject: | neat finishing link.... |
....not for 99% of the veteran Europa-ites on the list, but may be of some
value to the still uninitiated?
http://curedcomposites.com/finish.html
Cheers,
Pete
A239
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Subject: | Re: Classic Radiators |
I possess new classic port and starboard radiators; not for sale but for when my
old ones fail. PM me if interested.
BUT I wholeheartedly agree with the assertion that fitting the classic cowls around
the 912 series with associated short engine bearer frame is not the cleverest
idea. I recently replaced my 80hp engine with 100hp and heaven help me if
ever I need to replace the starter motor.
There isn't room to allow fitting of the longer higher torque starter motor because
the frame gets in the way. To replace the starter, I would need to lift out
the entire engine and then remove the bearer frame from the engine. That is
utterly HELLISH! My frame isn't true and needs persuading.
The longer starter is a really good idea, to help overcome the higher compression
and prevent kick-backs. Also the latest CDI units with very retarded spark
for the first few seconds are intended for the same purpose.
Fortunately the most helpful and experienced Kevin Dilks of Special Aviation Services
suggested that I employ a separate starter button to get past the initial
inertia and build momentum for a couple of seconds before turning on the ignition.
It works a treat!
However, I digress. I agree that the classic cowling and spinner give a much sexier
line to the airframe, compared with the snub-nosed XS look. So if you insist
on a sleeker image and want to risk the space limitations of the original
design, then I'm willing to consider helping in some way.
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