---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/14/14: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:48 AM - France travelling (Tony Renshaw) 2. 03:12 AM - Re: French B&Bs (Bill & Sue) 3. 06:15 AM - Re: France travelling (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 4. 07:27 AM - Classic Radiators (spcialeffects) 5. 08:10 AM - Re: Classic Radiators (David Joyce) 6. 08:22 AM - Re: Classic Radiators (spcialeffects) 7. 08:23 AM - Re: Classic Radiators (Pete Lawless) 8. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Classic Radiators (David Joyce) 9. 10:20 AM - neat finishing link.... (Peter Zutrauen) 10. 05:07 PM - Re: Classic Radiators (jonathanmilbank) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:48 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: France travelling From: Tony Renshaw Thanks to the Europa community for info regarding France. I apologise to anyone who would have preferred I didnt ask off topic, but Europa brethren spread their wings so often over there I figured there might be some valuable input, which there has been. We are now staying in 2 or 3 places based on everyones recommendations. Much appreciated all the help. Regards Tony Renshaw On 14 Aug 2014, at 5:02 pm, Europa-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 14-08-13&Archive=Europa > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 14-08-13&Archive=Europa > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Europa-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 08/13/14: 2 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 12:55 AM - Re: French B&Bs (James Kelly) > 2. 01:02 AM - Re: French B&Bs (David Joyce) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:55:32 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Europa-List: French B&Bs > From: James Kelly > > Hello Tony, > If you are looking at really excellent accommodation at > realistic prices in northwest France, you will not be able to beat Chris & > Pat in Brittany. I've forwarded your info to them. You'll get great > humour good accommodation and a guide to the area. > > Best of luck Tony. > Jim Kelly > G-BWEG > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Tony Renshaw > wrote: > >> >> >> Gidday, >> We are off to France next week, visiting Paris, Amiens, then down through >> the Loire Valley, down to Bordeaux, then Toulouse, bit of the coast, then >> back up to Paris. I know a lot of Brits holiday in France, and I=99 > d be >> interested if anyone knows more about B&B holidaying in France, for >> non-French speakers. I suppose B&Bs inherently have more of an issue with >> language, and my French won=99t cut it, beyond what I have in my ph > one App. >> So, any help all gratefully accepted. >> Regards >> Tony Renshaw >> P.S. If there is anyone else with a Europa other than Remi, who I am in >> contact with, I=99d love to have a chat. >> > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:02:11 AM PST US > From: "David Joyce" > Subject: Re: Europa-List: French B&Bs > > > Tony, Have a look at www.booking.com it lists available > beds in any place you put in stretching from 5* hotels to > B&Bs, very often at discounted prices. The rating scores > are entirely reliable in my experience. Most hotels in > France nowadays cope well in English, and I would suspect > B&Bs would also. For our Europa trips round France & other > European countries we rely totally on booking.com. We get > up in the morning , check weather, decide on a > destination, fix a hotel via booking.com & go. Works > perfectly every time. Put in a town or village at random > and check out availability for tomorrow and you will see > how it works. A pity you are going to be there a bit ahead > of the Club LSOW trip or we might have met up and flown > you around a bit. Happy to tell you some of my favourite > placesif you want to contact me off net. > Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > > > On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:37:16 +1000 > Tony Renshaw wrote: >> >> >> Gidday, >> We are off to France next week, visiting Paris, Amiens, >> then down through the Loire Valley, down to Bordeaux, >> then Toulouse, bit of the coast, then back up to Paris. I >> know a lot of Brits holiday in France, and Id be >> interested if anyone knows more about B&B holidaying in >> France, for non-French speakers. I suppose B&Bs >> inherently have more of an issue with language, and my >> French wont cut it, beyond what I have in my phone App. >> So, any help all gratefully accepted. >> Regards >> Tony Renshaw >> P.S. If there is anyone else with a Europa other than >> Remi, who I am in contact with, Id love to have a chat. >> >> Un/Subscription, >> Forums! >> Admin. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:24 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: French B&Bs From: "Bill & Sue" Tony, We've used Gites de France http://en.gites-de-france.com/ for decades I think it is pretty much the only national source of B&Bs- I can't promise spoken English everywhere ( although almost invariably better than my French...) the website is getting better but it can be hard work to pin down locations- it was always thus since it was a French-only paperback publication! Worth the effort though, we've styed in some wonderful out-of-the-way places we would not have found unaided. Had some memorable meals booking the table d'hote at the B&Bs -often more like a family dinner party, but I used it to improve my French which may or may not suit you! With random fly-ins I've also found the local Syndicat d'initiative (tourist offices) really helpful and have never failed to find me somewhere good. Enjoy! Bill & Sue Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428423#428423 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:48 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: France travelling Bon Voyage!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From : Tony Renshaw =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, 14 August 2014, 8:48=0ASubject: Europa-List: France trav w268@gmail.com>=0A=0AThanks to the Europa community for info regarding Fran ce. I apologise to anyone who would have preferred I didn=99t ask off topic, but Europa brethren spread their wings so often over there I figure d there might be some valuable input, which there has been. We are now stay ing in 2 or 3 places based on everyones recommendations. Much appreciated a ll the help. =0ARegards=0ATony Renshaw=0A=0AOn 14 Aug 2014, at 5:02 pm, Eur opa-List Digest Server wrote:=0A=0A> *=0A> =0A> ======================== ==0A>=C2- Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive=0A> === =======================0A> =0A> Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the =0A > two Web Links listed below.=C2- The .html file includes the Digest form atted =0A> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes =0A> and Message Navigation.=C2- The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version =0A> of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a gene ric text editor =0A> such as Notepad or with a web browser. =0A> =0A> HTML Version:=0A> =0A>=C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.p hp?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 14-08-13&Archive=Europa=0A> =0A> Text Version:=0A> =0A>=C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/digest/digest view.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 14-08-13&Archive=Europa=0A> =0A> =0A> ===================== ===0A>=C2- EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive=0A> == ======================0A> =0A> =0A>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- ----------------------------------- -----------------------=0A>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Europa-List Digest Archive=0A> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2 - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- ---=0A>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Total Messa ges Posted Wed 08/13/14: 2=0A>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- --------- -------------------------------------------------=0A> =0A> =0A> Today's Mes sage Index:=0A> ----------------------=0A> =0A>=C2- =C2- 1. 12:55 AM - Re: French B&Bs=C2- (James Kelly)=0A>=C2- =C2- 2. 01:02 AM - Re: Fr ench B&Bs=C2- (David Joyce)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> __________________________ ______=C2- Message 1=C2- _____________________________________=0A> =0A> =0A> Time: 12:55:32 AM PST US=0A> Subject: Re: Europa-List: French B&Bs=0A > From: James Kelly =0A> =0A> Hello Tony,=0A>=C2 - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- If you are loo king at really excellent accommodation at=0A> realistic prices in northwest France, you will not be able to beat Chris &=0A> Pat in Brittany.=C2- I' ve forwarded your info to them.=C2- You'll get great=0A> humour good acco mmodation and a guide to the area.=0A> =0A> Best of luck Tony.=0A> Jim Kell y=0A> G-BWEG=0A> =0A> =0A> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Tony Renshaw =0A> wrote:=0A> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Gidday,=0A>> We a re off to France next week, visiting Paris, Amiens, then down through=0A>> the Loire Valley, down to Bordeaux, then Toulouse, bit of the coast, then =0A>> back up to Paris. I know a lot of Brits holiday in France, and I=99 =0A> d be=0A>> interested if anyone knows more about B&B holidaying in Fran ce, for=0A>> non-French speakers. I suppose B&Bs inherently have more of an issue with=0A>> language, and my French won=99t cut it, beyond what I ha ve in my ph=0A> one App.=0A>> So, any help all gratefully accepted.=0A>> Re gards=0A>> Tony Renshaw=0A>> P.S. If there is anyone else with a Europa oth er than Remi, who I am in=0A>> contact with, I=99d love to have a chat. =0A>> =0A> ============0A> ======== ====0A> ============0A> ======= =====0A>> =0A>> =0A> =0A> ________________________________=C2- Me ssage 2=C2- _____________________________________=0A> =0A> =0A> Time: 01: 02:11 AM PST US=0A> From: "David Joyce" =0A> Sub ject: Re: Europa-List: French B&Bs=0A> =0A> =0A> Tony, Have a look at www.b ooking.com=C2- it lists available =0A> beds in any place you put in stret ching from 5* hotels to =0A> B&Bs, very often at discounted prices. The rat ing scores =0A> are entirely reliable in my experience. Most hotels in =0A> France nowadays cope well in English, and I would suspect =0A> B&Bs would also. For our Europa trips round France & other =0A> European countries we rely totally on booking.com. We get =0A> up in the morning , check weather, decide on a =0A> destination, fix a hotel via booking.com & go. Works =0A> perfectly every time. Put in a town or village at random =0A> and check ou t availability for tomorrow and you will see =0A> how it works. A pity you are going to be there a bit ahead =0A> of the Club LSOW trip or we might ha ve met up and flown =0A> you around a bit. Happy to tell you some of my fav ourite =0A> placesif you want to contact me off net.=0A> Regards, David Joy ce, G-XSDJ=0A> =0A> =0A> On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:37:16 +1000=0A>=C2- Tony Renshaw wrote:=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Gidday,=0A>> We are off to France next week, visiting Paris, Am iens, =0A>> then down through the Loire Valley, down to Bordeaux, =0A>> the n Toulouse, bit of the coast, then back up to Paris. I =0A>> know a lot of Brits holiday in France, and Id be =0A>> interested if anyone knows more ab out B&B holidaying in =0A>> France, for non-French speakers. I suppose B&Bs =0A>> inherently have more of an issue with language, and my =0A>> French wont cut it, beyond what I have in my phone App. =0A>> So, any help all gra tefully accepted. =0A>> Regards=0A>> Tony Renshaw=0A>> P.S. If there is any one else with a Europa other than =0A>> Remi, who I am in contact with, Id love to have a chat. =0A>> =0A>> Un/Subscription,=0A>> Forums!=0A>> Admin. =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A =========================0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:51 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Classic Radiators From: "spcialeffects" So here i am again posting on our forum, to ask questions which can not be answered by the company who made my kit. Before i continue i would like to say that.........if i drove a 1960's BMW and went into BMW's today to ask for a part, for that 50 year old car, they would look on their computer or micro fish and tell me "we dont have that in stock but we can get it for you" or words to that effect. The reason for this is because they have a drawing of it, which can be recalled, to either order one OR make one. HOWEVER after a disappointing phone call to europa today i find out that they do not have technical drawings for the port and stbd radiators that were used on the original classic. In their defence, or rather Karen's defense, i don't expect them to have any on the shelf (which she did have, just one possibly port) but i do expect that they have drawings of them for existing customers who are flying their machines and will, at some point, experience failure. So to my question. I am building kit 165 a europa classic. I have the original cowls and want to use them as i like the look of them as opposed to the XS style or Nev's new design (no offense nev) BUT europa are unable to supply me with drawings and measurement's so that i can get the two radiators fabricated. I am also fitting a Rotax 914 engine. Has anyone got drawings for the rads that i can use to get some made? Or has anyone got the rads and wouldn't mind lending them to me to so i can get copies made? Or has someone done something else? Also staying on the engine theme i would like to fit an inter cooler system and would like to know from others who have this fitted where you got it and rough cost please? Many thanks to all. A Frustrated builder, Frank X. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428438#428438 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:43 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Classic Radiators Frank, I a sure one of our Classic members will oblige with the radiator measurements, and you may even strike lucky and find someone with spare radiators. Have you seen Nigel Graham's cowling design which is built round a 914 but incorporates a lot of design features that will make it significantly more efficient? (Was at the Rally last year). Certainly if I was starting again I would abandon the moderately attractive Classic cowlings and get some of his design, which are truly beautiful ! As to the intercooler, it seems to me that the 914 works very nicely as it is and is perfectly matched to the Europa. It also means that the 914 is immune to carb icing (in my experience personally , having flown in plenty of carb ice favouring conditions, and having heard of no convincing instance of carb icing from anyone else). An intercooler is going to add weight and a few horsepower, which make very little difference to top end performance. Improved propeller characteristics, building light, reducing external and internal drag all probably have a more important bearing on performance. Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 07:27:12 -0700 "spcialeffects" wrote: > > > So here i am again posting on our forum, to ask >questions which can not be answered by the company who >made my kit. Before i continue i would like to say >that.........if i drove a 1960's BMW and went into BMW's >today to ask for a part, for that 50 year old car, they >would look on their computer or micro fish and tell me >"we dont have that in stock but we can get it for you" or >words to that effect. The reason for this is because they >have a drawing of it, which can be recalled, to either >order one OR make one. HOWEVER after a disappointing >phone call to europa today i find out that they do not >have technical drawings for the port and stbd radiators >that were used on the original classic. In their defence, >or rather Karen's defense, i don't expect them to have >any on the shelf (which she did have, just one possibly >port) but i do expect that they have drawings of them for >existing customers who are flying their machines and >will, at some point, experience failure. > So to my question. I am building kit 165 a europa >classic. I have the original cowls and want to use them >as i like the look of them as opposed to the XS style or >Nev's new design (no offense nev) BUT europa are unable >to supply me with drawings and measurement's so that i >can get the two radiators fabricated. I am also fitting a >Rotax 914 engine. > Has anyone got drawings for the rads that i >can use to get some made? Or has anyone got the rads and >wouldn't mind lending them to me to so i can get copies >made? Or has someone done something else? > Also staying on the engine theme i would like to >fit an inter cooler system and would like to know from >others who have this fitted where you got it and rough >cost please? Many thanks to all. A Frustrated builder, >Frank X. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428438#428438 > > > > > > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:56 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Classic Radiators From: "spcialeffects" Has anyone got a photo of Nigel Graham's cowling design? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428442#428442 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:36 AM PST US From: Pete Lawless Subject: Re: Europa-List: Classic Radiators Hi Frank Having spent the morning doing the engine part of my annual I would not recommend building a Classic front end. Concepts like 'I would like to fit' are a complete pain as there is so little room to fit anything at all in the Classic cowls. I do not know how big an inter cooler is but just finding space in mine for water and oil thermostats suggests it may not be possible. I should get a look under the hood of a Classic before you decide. It is almost impossible to see down the back of the engine let alone get your hand in. Regards Pete G-RMAC Classic 912 On 14/08/14 15:27, spcialeffects wrote: > > So here i am again posting on our forum, to ask questions which can not be answered by the company who made my kit. Before i continue i would like to say that.........if i drove a 1960's BMW and went into BMW's today to ask for a part, for that 50 year old car, they would look on their computer or micro fish and tell me "we dont have that in stock but we can get it for you" or words to that effect. The reason for this is because they have a drawing of it, which can be recalled, to either order one OR make one. HOWEVER after a disappointing phone call to europa today i find out that they do not have technical drawings for the port and stbd radiators that were used on the original classic. In their defence, or rather Karen's defense, i don't expect them to have any on the shelf (which she did have, just one possibly port) but i do expect that they have drawings of them for existing customers who are flying their machines and will, at some point, experience failure. > So to my question. I am building kit 165 a europa classic. I have the original cowls and want to use them as i like the look of them as opposed to the XS style or Nev's new design (no offense nev) BUT europa are unable to supply me with drawings and measurement's so that i can get the two radiators fabricated. I am also fitting a Rotax 914 engine. > Has anyone got drawings for the rads that i can use to get some made? Or has anyone got the rads and wouldn't mind lending them to me to so i can get copies made? Or has someone done something else? > Also staying on the engine theme i would like to fit an inter cooler system and would like to know from others who have this fitted where you got it and rough cost please? Many thanks to all. A Frustrated builder, Frank X. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428438#428438 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:35 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Classic Radiators Nigel Graham's contact details are in the front of the Club magazine and no doubt he would be pleased to advise. Regards, David On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:22:33 -0700 "spcialeffects" wrote: > > > Has anyone got a photo of Nigel Graham's cowling design? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428442#428442 > > > > > > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:20 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Europa-List: neat finishing link.... ....not for 99% of the veteran Europa-ites on the list, but may be of some value to the still uninitiated? http://curedcomposites.com/finish.html Cheers, Pete A239 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:57 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Classic Radiators From: "jonathanmilbank" I possess new classic port and starboard radiators; not for sale but for when my old ones fail. PM me if interested. BUT I wholeheartedly agree with the assertion that fitting the classic cowls around the 912 series with associated short engine bearer frame is not the cleverest idea. I recently replaced my 80hp engine with 100hp and heaven help me if ever I need to replace the starter motor. There isn't room to allow fitting of the longer higher torque starter motor because the frame gets in the way. To replace the starter, I would need to lift out the entire engine and then remove the bearer frame from the engine. That is utterly HELLISH! My frame isn't true and needs persuading. The longer starter is a really good idea, to help overcome the higher compression and prevent kick-backs. Also the latest CDI units with very retarded spark for the first few seconds are intended for the same purpose. Fortunately the most helpful and experienced Kevin Dilks of Special Aviation Services suggested that I employ a separate starter button to get past the initial inertia and build momentum for a couple of seconds before turning on the ignition. It works a treat! However, I digress. I agree that the classic cowling and spinner give a much sexier line to the airframe, compared with the snub-nosed XS look. So if you insist on a sleeker image and want to risk the space limitations of the original design, then I'm willing to consider helping in some way. 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