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1. 12:25 AM - Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear (Tony Renshaw)
2. 08:47 AM - Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear (Fred Klein)
3. 10:48 AM - Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Alan Carter)
4. 10:54 AM - Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (spcialeffects)
5. 11:09 AM - Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Alan Carter)
6. 11:12 AM - Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Robert Borger)
7. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Robert Borger)
8. 12:40 PM - Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear (Nigel Graham)
9. 12:41 PM - Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear (Nigel Graham)
10. 02:36 PM - request info about battery cut off (John Archer)
11. 02:40 PM - Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (pmorgans)
12. 02:53 PM - Re: request info about battery cut off (David Joyce)
13. 03:42 PM - Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Alan Carter)
14. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Karl Heindl)
15. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Kyle P)
16. 11:49 PM - Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear (Tony Renshaw)
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| Subject: | Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear |
Hi Nigel,
Building a Bob Berube Taildragger downunder, and your gear looks
interesting, and in the single photo, simply great. Where do you intend
to mount it, and how will you reinforce that area please? I can only
imagine it will be like the Swiss taildraggers, just aft of the rudder
pedal shelf. I=92d be keen to know what method you used to layup the
carbon fibre, whether you vacuum bagged it etc, and I=92m quite sure all
of us would be keen to know more on using carbon to make larger
thickness structural components, vs layup based applications. I would
anyway. Good luck with the project. Lastly, can you explain how the
articulating goes on inside that central bit, what the design allows
for, what drives it?
Regards
Tony Renshaw
P.S. As I don=92t have a mono wheel in the way and it would be very easy
for me probably to install, I=92d be very interested if you
commercialised your mod once you proof test it all and get it up and
running. Its taking me so long to progress, that =93what is a another
mod=94.
On 27 Aug 2014, at 12:28 am, Nigel Graham <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
wrote:
<nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Yes, In theory, I can make the gear legs any length I want to give me
a sensible ground clearance. This set can let me swing up to a 70" prop
if I want (i.e. if the engine will allow) with full deflection and flat
tyres. The gear leg length has to be designed with the tail wheel in
mind to ensure that the ground angle does not exceed 16 degrees to allow
me to three-point it before stalling.
> The brake lines will run down the front trough in the "I" beam with
flexible connectors by the pivots.
> I'll dig out some more pictures later but am rushing to get things
ready for the rally.
>
> Nigel
>
> On 26/08/2014 18:34, Paul McAllister wrote:
<paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi Nigel,
>>
>> I have a couple of questions:
>>
>> Could you tell me if there is an increase in ground clearance over
the mono?
>> Where in are the wheels in relation to the MAC ?
>> Are the brake lines internal to the gear?
>>
>> Some more pictures would be great!!
>>
>> Thanks, Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nigel
Graham
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:36 AM
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Europa-List: Heads Up for UK based tail-dragger fans
>>
>> Some of you will know that I've been developing an articulating,
>> full-suspension tail-dragger conversion for the Europa (for the last
few
>> millennia it seems). Anyhow, I pulled the first carbon fibre
cross-member
>> out of the moulds last week (3.6 Kg before you ask) and trial rigged
it -
>> picture attached.
>> For those of you with an interest, I will be displaying it, together
with a
>> load of other "off piste" Europa developments, at the LAA rally at
Sywell
>> this coming weekend.
>>
>> We will be on the Europa Club stand - so come over and say "hello"
and grab
>> a cup of coffee. We have a large marquee, so don't be put off by the
>> weather!
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear |
Having seen a number of photos of Nigel=92s Europa Mark IV, I say =93Hat=92
s Off=94 to this talented, meticulous, and intrepid innovator=85F.
On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Nigel,
> Building a Bob Berube Taildragger downunder, and your gear looks
interesting, and in the single photo, simply great. Where do you intend
to mount it, and how will you reinforce that area please? I can only
imagine it will be like the Swiss taildraggers, just aft of the rudder
pedal shelf. I=92d be keen to know what method you used to layup the
carbon fibre, whether you vacuum bagged it etc, and I=92m quite sure all
of us would be keen to know more on using carbon to make larger
thickness structural components, vs layup based applications. I would
anyway. Good luck with the project. Lastly, can you explain how the
articulating goes on inside that central bit, what the design allows
for, what drives it?
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
> P.S. As I don=92t have a mono wheel in the way and it would be very
easy for me probably to install, I=92d be very interested if you
commercialised your mod once you proof test it all and get it up and
running. Its taking me so long to progress, that =93what is a another
mod=94.
>
> On 27 Aug 2014, at 12:28 am, Nigel Graham
<nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk> wrote:
>
<nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> Yes, In theory, I can make the gear legs any length I want to give me
a sensible ground clearance. This set can let me swing up to a 70" prop
if I want (i.e. if the engine will allow) with full deflection and flat
tyres. The gear leg length has to be designed with the tail wheel in
mind to ensure that the ground angle does not exceed 16 degrees to allow
me to three-point it before stalling.
>> The brake lines will run down the front trough in the "I" beam with
flexible connectors by the pivots.
>> I'll dig out some more pictures later but am rushing to get things
ready for the rally.
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>> On 26/08/2014 18:34, Paul McAllister wrote:
<paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Hi Nigel,
>>>
>>> I have a couple of questions:
>>>
>>> Could you tell me if there is an increase in ground clearance over
the mono?
>>> Where in are the wheels in relation to the MAC ?
>>> Are the brake lines internal to the gear?
>>>
>>> Some more pictures would be great!!
>>>
>>> Thanks, Paul
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nigel
Graham
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:36 AM
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Heads Up for UK based tail-dragger fans
>>>
>>> Some of you will know that I've been developing an articulating,
>>> full-suspension tail-dragger conversion for the Europa (for the last
few
>>> millennia it seems). Anyhow, I pulled the first carbon fibre
cross-member
>>> out of the moulds last week (3.6 Kg before you ask) and trial rigged
it -
>>> picture attached.
>>> For those of you with an interest, I will be displaying it, together
with a
>>> load of other "off piste" Europa developments, at the LAA rally at
Sywell
>>> this coming weekend.
>>>
>>> We will be on the Europa Club stand - so come over and say "hello"
and grab
>>> a cup of coffee. We have a large marquee, so don't be put off by the
>>> weather!
>>>
>>> Nigel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.matroni &nclass="Apple-converted-space">
http://forums.matronics.com
>>> _ - &nbs -->
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>
>
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| Subject: | Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. |
Hello All.
I have a Europa Mono converted into a Tri Gear,
I have noticed when the nose wheel is off the ground, and you grab hold of the
tyre, there is some sideways movement, ie not on the wheel bearings, but the whole
assembly,
I have not had a good look at it yet, and I have no drawing or plans of these components,
as it was converted by Europa Aircraft Company in about 2001.
I would guess the actual nose wheel arm has some play in it,
Can anybody give some guide lines on the assembly and where the play might be.
Many Thanks.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. |
Hi Alan, you can download the manual from the europa website.....FREE. You can
then reverse the process to remove and replace the faulty item
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| Subject: | Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. |
Hi.
Can get Europa Home Page. etc etc
Can,t find manuals.
Can you post link.
Regards.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. |
Alan,
The europa-aircraft.com web site has all the build manuals available for
download under the =93Builder Assistance=94 tab. You should find the
information you need in CBM 29T - Landing Gear Tri-Gear.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (50 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Aug 27, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
wrote:
<alancarteresq@onetel.net>
>
> Hello All.
> I have a Europa Mono converted into a Tri Gear,
> I have noticed when the nose wheel is off the ground, and you grab
hold of the tyre, there is some sideways movement, ie not on the wheel
bearings, but the whole assembly,
> I have not had a good look at it yet, and I have no drawing or plans
of these components, as it was converted by Europa Aircraft Company in
about 2001.
> I would guess the actual nose wheel arm has some play in it,
> Can anybody give some guide lines on the assembly and where the play
might be.
> Many Thanks.
> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. |
http://www.europa-aircraft.com/assistance/manuals.php
On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Can get Europa Home Page. etc etc
> Can,t find manuals.
> Can you post link.
> Regards.
> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear |
Hi Tony,
All the answers to your questions plus the background information and
pictures can be found in an article I wrote for the "Europa Flyer" club
magazine. Look out EF76 that appeared in March 2013. This does of course
assume that you are a club member!
Nigel
On 27/08/2014 08:24, Tony Renshaw wrote:
> Hi Nigel,
> Building a Bob Berube Taildragger downunder, and your gear looks
> interesting, and in the single photo, simply great. Where do you
> intend to mount it, and how will you reinforce that area please? I can
> only imagine it will be like the Swiss taildraggers, just aft of the
> rudder pedal shelf. Id be keen to know what method you used to layup
> the carbon fibre, whether you vacuum bagged it etc, and Im quite sure
> all of us would be keen to know more on using carbon to make larger
> thickness structural components, vs layup based applications. I would
> anyway. Good luck with the project. Lastly, can you explain how the
> articulating goes on inside that central bit, what the design allows
> for, what drives it?
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
> P.S. As I dont have a mono wheel in the way and it would be very easy
> for me probably to install, Id be very interested if you
> commercialised your mod once you proof test it all and get it up and
> running. Its taking me so long to progress, that what is a another mod.
>
> On 27 Aug 2014, at 12:28 am, Nigel Graham <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk
> <mailto:nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>> wrote:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear |
That's very kind of you to say so Fred ..... your cheque (check) is in
the post ;-)
On 27/08/2014 16:46, Fred Klein wrote:
> Having seen a number of photos of Nigels Europa Mark IV, I say Hats
> Off to this talented, meticulous, and intrepid innovatorF.
>
>
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| Subject: | request info about battery cut off |
Hello,
I need to install a battery cut off as I have an electrical load (the
stall warning light) and possibly others that are not on a breaker or
switch.
I intend to install a Sterling IS200 which has a 200 amp continuous
rating on the positive battery lead:
http://www.batterymegastore.co.uk/product/IS200/
The battery in my Europa is attached behind the rear bulkhead of the
baggage compartment on the passenger side. Would it be best to install
the switch inside the baggage bay along the side of fuselage where the
cables run or make a hole in the rear bulkhead next to the battery. The
latter would be slightly lighter as it would not need a mounting plate
as the switch would be mounted in the bulkhead.
Sorry if this seems to be a rather simple question but I am very new to
aircraft ownership/maintenance and not yet made any "holes" in the
aircraft. Any advice on what or what not to do is very welcome.
Regards, John
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| Subject: | Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. |
Hi Alan,
Not sure exactly where your movement originates, here's my experience
of play in the nosewheel. I bought a very low hours Trigear last year and had
steering problems - on inspection found that wheel friction pullout had been
set at 20kg instead of 20lbs - but also that there was considerable sideways
(wobble) motion of the wheel within the yoke. Examination showed that the 12mm
dia. spindle bolt ( kit supply) fitted snugly into the holes in the yoke; however,
the wheel bearing inner journals are 1/2 inch dia. Hence the wobble. Replaced
12mm with 1/2 inch AN standard bolt and reamed out yoke to 1/2 inch - wobble
cured.
Regards
Peter
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| Subject: | Re: request info about battery cut off |
John, Would it not be easier & lighter to route your stall
warner circuit through a low capacity switchable circuit
breaker? Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:35:51 +0200
John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> wrote:
><77alembert@gmail.com>
>
>
> Hello,
> I need to install a battery cut off as I have an
>electrical load (the stall warning light) and possibly
>others that are not on a breaker or switch.
> I intend to install a Sterling IS200 which has a 200 amp
>continuous rating on the positive battery lead:
>http://www.batterymegastore.co.uk/product/IS200/
>
> The battery in my Europa is attached behind the rear
>bulkhead of the baggage compartment on the passenger
>side. Would it be best to install the switch inside the
>baggage bay along the side of fuselage where the cables
>run or make a hole in the rear bulkhead next to the
>battery. The latter would be slightly lighter as it would
>not need a mounting plate as the switch would be mounted
>in the bulkhead.
>
> Sorry if this seems to be a rather simple question but I
>am very new to aircraft ownership/maintenance and not yet
>made any "holes" in the aircraft. Any advice on what or
>what not to do is very welcome.
> Regards, John
>
>
>Un/Subscription,
>Forums!
>Admin.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. |
Hi All.
Many thanks for the web link, I can see the nose wheel assembly,
I have a spring damping system and no bungee straps.
My nose wheel is fairly stiff, I don,t know if its 20 lbs or a bit more, but
I prefer it on the stiff side, although taxing is a little harder on the finger
brakes.
I have not examined it yet, but my guess is: the nose wheel leg itself turning,??
movement in the leg where it connects to the main frame.
and nothing to do with the housing or bearings.
Is there some pins or bolts going thru the nose gear leg at top end of the leg?
Hi Bob, I have not been on the forum for some time you may have noticed,
My little dog Sunny died at Christmas and I tied so hard to fix him but I couldn't,
it hit me hard, but I hope to be joining it the forum again.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. |
Alan=2CWhy not get someone to push down on the tail or tie to a tiedown at
the arfield. Then you can check if the leg is loose. There are two AN4 bolt
s holding it in place. If they are loose=2C just drill another hole.Karl
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm.
> From: alancarteresq@onetel.net
> Date: Wed=2C 27 Aug 2014 15:41:34 -0700
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
t>
>
> Hi All.
> Many thanks for the web link=2C I can see the nose wheel assembly=2C
> I have a spring damping system and no bungee straps.
>
> My nose wheel is fairly stiff=2C I don=2Ct know if its 20 lbs or a bit mo
re=2C but
> I prefer it on the stiff side=2C although taxing is a little harder on th
e finger brakes.
>
> I have not examined it yet=2C but my guess is: the nose wheel leg itself
turning=2C?? movement in the leg where it connects to the main frame.
> and nothing to do with the housing or bearings.
>
> Is there some pins or bolts going thru the nose gear leg at top end of th
e leg?
>
> Hi Bob=2C I have not been on the forum for some time you may have noticed
=2C
> My little dog Sunny died at Christmas and I tied so hard to fix him but I
couldn't=2C it hit me hard=2C but I hope to be joining it the forum again.
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429499#429499
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. |
You can use devcon 10110 steel putty to take up any slop. I use the for
bedding my rifles. This will full the voids. Use car was as a release
agent just key up the area you want the devcon to stick to. After mixing
and applying, wait 1 hour and clean up the excess with a plastic knife.
Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear |
Nope. It doesn=92t work for all of us foreign types, what with methods
of payment, complexities with dealing with foreign banks etc. etc. I=92m
sure if you look at the membership you=92ll see my point.
TR
On 27 Aug 2014, at 9:39 pm, Nigel Graham <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hi Tony,
>
> All the answers to your questions plus the background information and
pictures can be found in an article I wrote for the "Europa Flyer" club
magazine. Look out EF76 that appeared in March 2013. This does of course
assume that you are a club member!
>
> Nigel
>
> On 27/08/2014 08:24, Tony Renshaw wrote:
>> Hi Nigel,
>> Building a Bob Berube Taildragger downunder, and your gear looks
interesting, and in the single photo, simply great. Where do you intend
to mount it, and how will you reinforce that area please? I can
only imagine it will be like the Swiss taildraggers, just aft of the
rudder pedal shelf. I=92d be keen to know what method you used to layup
the carbon fibre, whether you vacuum bagged it etc, and I=92m quite sure
all of us would be keen to know more on using carbon to make larger
thickness structural components, vs layup based applications. I would
anyway. Good luck with the project. Lastly, can you explain how the
articulating goes on inside that central bit, what the design allows
for, what drives it?
>> Regards
>> Tony Renshaw
>> P.S. As I don=92t have a mono wheel in the way and it would be very
easy for me probably to install, I=92d be very interested if you
commercialised your mod once you proof test it all and get it up and
running. Its taking me so long to progress, that =93what is a another
mod=94.
>>
>> On 27 Aug 2014, at 12:28 am, Nigel Graham
<nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>
>
>
>
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