---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/27/14: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:25 AM - Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear (Tony Renshaw) 2. 08:47 AM - Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear (Fred Klein) 3. 10:48 AM - Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Alan Carter) 4. 10:54 AM - Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (spcialeffects) 5. 11:09 AM - Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Alan Carter) 6. 11:12 AM - Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Robert Borger) 7. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Robert Borger) 8. 12:40 PM - Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear (Nigel Graham) 9. 12:41 PM - Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear (Nigel Graham) 10. 02:36 PM - request info about battery cut off (John Archer) 11. 02:40 PM - Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (pmorgans) 12. 02:53 PM - Re: request info about battery cut off (David Joyce) 13. 03:42 PM - Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Alan Carter) 14. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Karl Heindl) 15. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. (Kyle P) 16. 11:49 PM - Re: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear (Tony Renshaw) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:33 AM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear Hi Nigel, Building a Bob Berube Taildragger downunder, and your gear looks interesting, and in the single photo, simply great. Where do you intend to mount it, and how will you reinforce that area please? I can only imagine it will be like the Swiss taildraggers, just aft of the rudder pedal shelf. I=92d be keen to know what method you used to layup the carbon fibre, whether you vacuum bagged it etc, and I=92m quite sure all of us would be keen to know more on using carbon to make larger thickness structural components, vs layup based applications. I would anyway. Good luck with the project. Lastly, can you explain how the articulating goes on inside that central bit, what the design allows for, what drives it? Regards Tony Renshaw P.S. As I don=92t have a mono wheel in the way and it would be very easy for me probably to install, I=92d be very interested if you commercialised your mod once you proof test it all and get it up and running. Its taking me so long to progress, that =93what is a another mod=94. On 27 Aug 2014, at 12:28 am, Nigel Graham wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > Yes, In theory, I can make the gear legs any length I want to give me a sensible ground clearance. This set can let me swing up to a 70" prop if I want (i.e. if the engine will allow) with full deflection and flat tyres. The gear leg length has to be designed with the tail wheel in mind to ensure that the ground angle does not exceed 16 degrees to allow me to three-point it before stalling. > The brake lines will run down the front trough in the "I" beam with flexible connectors by the pivots. > I'll dig out some more pictures later but am rushing to get things ready for the rally. > > Nigel > > On 26/08/2014 18:34, Paul McAllister wrote: >> >> Hi Nigel, >> >> I have a couple of questions: >> >> Could you tell me if there is an increase in ground clearance over the mono? >> Where in are the wheels in relation to the MAC ? >> Are the brake lines internal to the gear? >> >> Some more pictures would be great!! >> >> Thanks, Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Graham >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:36 AM >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Heads Up for UK based tail-dragger fans >> >> Some of you will know that I've been developing an articulating, >> full-suspension tail-dragger conversion for the Europa (for the last few >> millennia it seems). Anyhow, I pulled the first carbon fibre cross-member >> out of the moulds last week (3.6 Kg before you ask) and trial rigged it - >> picture attached. >> For those of you with an interest, I will be displaying it, together with a >> load of other "off piste" Europa developments, at the LAA rally at Sywell >> this coming weekend. >> >> We will be on the Europa Club stand - so come over and say "hello" and grab >> a cup of coffee. We have a large marquee, so don't be put off by the >> weather! >> >> Nigel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:01 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear Having seen a number of photos of Nigel=92s Europa Mark IV, I say =93Hat=92 s Off=94 to this talented, meticulous, and intrepid innovator=85F. On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote: > Hi Nigel, > Building a Bob Berube Taildragger downunder, and your gear looks interesting, and in the single photo, simply great. Where do you intend to mount it, and how will you reinforce that area please? I can only imagine it will be like the Swiss taildraggers, just aft of the rudder pedal shelf. I=92d be keen to know what method you used to layup the carbon fibre, whether you vacuum bagged it etc, and I=92m quite sure all of us would be keen to know more on using carbon to make larger thickness structural components, vs layup based applications. I would anyway. Good luck with the project. Lastly, can you explain how the articulating goes on inside that central bit, what the design allows for, what drives it? > Regards > Tony Renshaw > P.S. As I don=92t have a mono wheel in the way and it would be very easy for me probably to install, I=92d be very interested if you commercialised your mod once you proof test it all and get it up and running. Its taking me so long to progress, that =93what is a another mod=94. > > On 27 Aug 2014, at 12:28 am, Nigel Graham wrote: > >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> Yes, In theory, I can make the gear legs any length I want to give me a sensible ground clearance. This set can let me swing up to a 70" prop if I want (i.e. if the engine will allow) with full deflection and flat tyres. The gear leg length has to be designed with the tail wheel in mind to ensure that the ground angle does not exceed 16 degrees to allow me to three-point it before stalling. >> The brake lines will run down the front trough in the "I" beam with flexible connectors by the pivots. >> I'll dig out some more pictures later but am rushing to get things ready for the rally. >> >> Nigel >> >> On 26/08/2014 18:34, Paul McAllister wrote: >>> >>> Hi Nigel, >>> >>> I have a couple of questions: >>> >>> Could you tell me if there is an increase in ground clearance over the mono? >>> Where in are the wheels in relation to the MAC ? >>> Are the brake lines internal to the gear? >>> >>> Some more pictures would be great!! >>> >>> Thanks, Paul >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Graham >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:36 AM >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Europa-List: Heads Up for UK based tail-dragger fans >>> >>> Some of you will know that I've been developing an articulating, >>> full-suspension tail-dragger conversion for the Europa (for the last few >>> millennia it seems). Anyhow, I pulled the first carbon fibre cross-member >>> out of the moulds last week (3.6 Kg before you ask) and trial rigged it - >>> picture attached. >>> For those of you with an interest, I will be displaying it, together with a >>> load of other "off piste" Europa developments, at the LAA rally at Sywell >>> this coming weekend. >>> >>> We will be on the Europa Club stand - so come over and say "hello" and grab >>> a cup of coffee. We have a large marquee, so don't be put off by the >>> weather! >>> >>> Nigel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.matroni &nclass="Apple-converted-space"> http://forums.matronics.com >>> _ - &nbs --> http://www.matronics.com/co================ > > > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:40 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. From: "Alan Carter" Hello All. I have a Europa Mono converted into a Tri Gear, I have noticed when the nose wheel is off the ground, and you grab hold of the tyre, there is some sideways movement, ie not on the wheel bearings, but the whole assembly, I have not had a good look at it yet, and I have no drawing or plans of these components, as it was converted by Europa Aircraft Company in about 2001. I would guess the actual nose wheel arm has some play in it, Can anybody give some guide lines on the assembly and where the play might be. Many Thanks. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429473#429473 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:33 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. From: "spcialeffects" Hi Alan, you can download the manual from the europa website.....FREE. You can then reverse the process to remove and replace the faulty item Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429474#429474 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:26 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. From: "Alan Carter" Hi. Can get Europa Home Page. etc etc Can,t find manuals. Can you post link. Regards. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429476#429476 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. From: Robert Borger Alan, The europa-aircraft.com web site has all the build manuals available for download under the =93Builder Assistance=94 tab. You should find the information you need in CBM 29T - Landing Gear Tri-Gear. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (50 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Aug 27, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Alan Carter wrote: > > Hello All. > I have a Europa Mono converted into a Tri Gear, > I have noticed when the nose wheel is off the ground, and you grab hold of the tyre, there is some sideways movement, ie not on the wheel bearings, but the whole assembly, > I have not had a good look at it yet, and I have no drawing or plans of these components, as it was converted by Europa Aircraft Company in about 2001. > I would guess the actual nose wheel arm has some play in it, > Can anybody give some guide lines on the assembly and where the play might be. > Many Thanks. > Alan ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. From: Robert Borger http://www.europa-aircraft.com/assistance/manuals.php On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Alan Carter wrote: > > Hi. > Can get Europa Home Page. etc etc > Can,t find manuals. > Can you post link. > Regards. > Alan ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:18 PM PST US From: Nigel Graham Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear Hi Tony, All the answers to your questions plus the background information and pictures can be found in an article I wrote for the "Europa Flyer" club magazine. Look out EF76 that appeared in March 2013. This does of course assume that you are a club member! Nigel On 27/08/2014 08:24, Tony Renshaw wrote: > Hi Nigel, > Building a Bob Berube Taildragger downunder, and your gear looks > interesting, and in the single photo, simply great. Where do you > intend to mount it, and how will you reinforce that area please? I can > only imagine it will be like the Swiss taildraggers, just aft of the > rudder pedal shelf. Id be keen to know what method you used to layup > the carbon fibre, whether you vacuum bagged it etc, and Im quite sure > all of us would be keen to know more on using carbon to make larger > thickness structural components, vs layup based applications. I would > anyway. Good luck with the project. Lastly, can you explain how the > articulating goes on inside that central bit, what the design allows > for, what drives it? > Regards > Tony Renshaw > P.S. As I dont have a mono wheel in the way and it would be very easy > for me probably to install, Id be very interested if you > commercialised your mod once you proof test it all and get it up and > running. Its taking me so long to progress, that what is a another mod. > > On 27 Aug 2014, at 12:28 am, Nigel Graham > wrote: > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:50 PM PST US From: Nigel Graham Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear That's very kind of you to say so Fred ..... your cheque (check) is in the post ;-) On 27/08/2014 16:46, Fred Klein wrote: > Having seen a number of photos of Nigels Europa Mark IV, I say Hats > Off to this talented, meticulous, and intrepid innovatorF. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:41 PM PST US From: John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> Subject: Europa-List: request info about battery cut off Hello, I need to install a battery cut off as I have an electrical load (the stall warning light) and possibly others that are not on a breaker or switch. I intend to install a Sterling IS200 which has a 200 amp continuous rating on the positive battery lead: http://www.batterymegastore.co.uk/product/IS200/ The battery in my Europa is attached behind the rear bulkhead of the baggage compartment on the passenger side. Would it be best to install the switch inside the baggage bay along the side of fuselage where the cables run or make a hole in the rear bulkhead next to the battery. The latter would be slightly lighter as it would not need a mounting plate as the switch would be mounted in the bulkhead. Sorry if this seems to be a rather simple question but I am very new to aircraft ownership/maintenance and not yet made any "holes" in the aircraft. Any advice on what or what not to do is very welcome. Regards, John ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:09 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. From: "pmorgans" Hi Alan, Not sure exactly where your movement originates, here's my experience of play in the nosewheel. I bought a very low hours Trigear last year and had steering problems - on inspection found that wheel friction pullout had been set at 20kg instead of 20lbs - but also that there was considerable sideways (wobble) motion of the wheel within the yoke. Examination showed that the 12mm dia. spindle bolt ( kit supply) fitted snugly into the holes in the yoke; however, the wheel bearing inner journals are 1/2 inch dia. Hence the wobble. Replaced 12mm with 1/2 inch AN standard bolt and reamed out yoke to 1/2 inch - wobble cured. Regards Peter Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429494#429494 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:13 PM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: request info about battery cut off John, Would it not be easier & lighter to route your stall warner circuit through a low capacity switchable circuit breaker? Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:35:51 +0200 John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> wrote: ><77alembert@gmail.com> > > > Hello, > I need to install a battery cut off as I have an >electrical load (the stall warning light) and possibly >others that are not on a breaker or switch. > I intend to install a Sterling IS200 which has a 200 amp >continuous rating on the positive battery lead: >http://www.batterymegastore.co.uk/product/IS200/ > > The battery in my Europa is attached behind the rear >bulkhead of the baggage compartment on the passenger >side. Would it be best to install the switch inside the >baggage bay along the side of fuselage where the cables >run or make a hole in the rear bulkhead next to the >battery. The latter would be slightly lighter as it would >not need a mounting plate as the switch would be mounted >in the bulkhead. > > Sorry if this seems to be a rather simple question but I >am very new to aircraft ownership/maintenance and not yet >made any "holes" in the aircraft. Any advice on what or >what not to do is very welcome. > Regards, John > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:16 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. From: "Alan Carter" Hi All. Many thanks for the web link, I can see the nose wheel assembly, I have a spring damping system and no bungee straps. My nose wheel is fairly stiff, I don,t know if its 20 lbs or a bit more, but I prefer it on the stiff side, although taxing is a little harder on the finger brakes. I have not examined it yet, but my guess is: the nose wheel leg itself turning,?? movement in the leg where it connects to the main frame. and nothing to do with the housing or bearings. Is there some pins or bolts going thru the nose gear leg at top end of the leg? Hi Bob, I have not been on the forum for some time you may have noticed, My little dog Sunny died at Christmas and I tied so hard to fix him but I couldn't, it hit me hard, but I hope to be joining it the forum again. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429499#429499 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:55 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. Alan=2CWhy not get someone to push down on the tail or tie to a tiedown at the arfield. Then you can check if the leg is loose. There are two AN4 bolt s holding it in place. If they are loose=2C just drill another hole.Karl > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. > From: alancarteresq@onetel.net > Date: Wed=2C 27 Aug 2014 15:41:34 -0700 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > t> > > Hi All. > Many thanks for the web link=2C I can see the nose wheel assembly=2C > I have a spring damping system and no bungee straps. > > My nose wheel is fairly stiff=2C I don=2Ct know if its 20 lbs or a bit mo re=2C but > I prefer it on the stiff side=2C although taxing is a little harder on th e finger brakes. > > I have not examined it yet=2C but my guess is: the nose wheel leg itself turning=2C?? movement in the leg where it connects to the main frame. > and nothing to do with the housing or bearings. > > Is there some pins or bolts going thru the nose gear leg at top end of th e leg? > > Hi Bob=2C I have not been on the forum for some time you may have noticed =2C > My little dog Sunny died at Christmas and I tied so hard to fix him but I couldn't=2C it hit me hard=2C but I hope to be joining it the forum again. > Alan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429499#429499 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sideways movement in Tri Gear nose wheel arm. From: Kyle P You can use devcon 10110 steel putty to take up any slop. I use the for bedding my rifles. This will full the voids. Use car was as a release agent just key up the area you want the devcon to stick to. After mixing and applying, wait 1 hour and clean up the excess with a plastic knife. Kyle ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:35 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carbon Fibre Retractable Maingear Nope. It doesn=92t work for all of us foreign types, what with methods of payment, complexities with dealing with foreign banks etc. etc. I=92m sure if you look at the membership you=92ll see my point. TR On 27 Aug 2014, at 9:39 pm, Nigel Graham wrote: > Hi Tony, > > All the answers to your questions plus the background information and pictures can be found in an article I wrote for the "Europa Flyer" club magazine. Look out EF76 that appeared in March 2013. This does of course assume that you are a club member! > > Nigel > > On 27/08/2014 08:24, Tony Renshaw wrote: >> Hi Nigel, >> Building a Bob Berube Taildragger downunder, and your gear looks interesting, and in the single photo, simply great. Where do you intend to mount it, and how will you reinforce that area please? I can only imagine it will be like the Swiss taildraggers, just aft of the rudder pedal shelf. I=92d be keen to know what method you used to layup the carbon fibre, whether you vacuum bagged it etc, and I=92m quite sure all of us would be keen to know more on using carbon to make larger thickness structural components, vs layup based applications. I would anyway. Good luck with the project. Lastly, can you explain how the articulating goes on inside that central bit, what the design allows for, what drives it? >> Regards >> Tony Renshaw >> P.S. As I don=92t have a mono wheel in the way and it would be very easy for me probably to install, I=92d be very interested if you commercialised your mod once you proof test it all and get it up and running. Its taking me so long to progress, that =93what is a another mod=94. >> >> On 27 Aug 2014, at 12:28 am, Nigel Graham wrote: >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.