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1. 08:05 AM - 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=F8rensen?=)
2. 09:24 AM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Ivan Shaw)
3. 03:08 PM - Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (jonathanmilbank)
4. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (Timward)
5. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (Fred Klein)
6. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (Kevin Klinefelter)
7. 09:52 PM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=F8rensen?=)
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| Subject: | 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
Hi
Could someone show me where I can find figures for the fuel consumption
on my 914 when let us say I go 4.200 rpm / 30" MP ... ???
All I can find is the graphics in Owners Manual and do. graphs. on other
Rotax enclosures, but the MP is not an item as far as I can see.
Regards Gert
OY-GDS
Mono/914/Woodcomp
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| Subject: | 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
Gert,
I would not run 4200rpm and 30=94=85.sounds a bit over square to me.
Best way to get your fuel burn info is by test on =91your=92 particular
aircraft. Then arrive at a nice economy cruise speed/fuel burn and a
regular
cruise speed.
Remember you want to cruise your Europa =91on the step=92 AOA wise and
this will
vary with aircraft weight and differing aircraft. But at MTOW you want
to be
going 120kts indicated minimum to be nicely in the groove.
Most aircraft have a =91sweet spot=92 speed wise when the aircraft just
=91feels=92
right!! Find the sweet spot for YOUR aircraft and cruise there=85.why
would
you do any other?!!
Cheers
Ivan
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gert
Dalgaard
S=F8rensen
Sent: 08 September 2014 16:05
Subject: Europa-List: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ??
Hi
Could someone show me where I can find figures for the fuel consumption
on
my 914 when let us say I go 4.200 rpm / 30" MP ... ???
All I can find is the graphics in Owners Manual and do. graphs. on other
Rotax enclosures, but the MP is not an item as far as I can see.
Regards Gert
OY-GDS
Mono/914/Woodcomp
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| Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
Permit me to annoy you all intensely. After more than four decades of earning my
living as a pilot, military and civilian, and having held a full instrument
rating for over 32 years, wild horses couldn't drag me and my Europa into IMC
or night conditions, even if my aircraft had all the required bells and whistles.
Single-engined in those conditions doesn't seem wise to me, especially in a glass-fibre
airframe in conditions where you can't see and avoid potential lightning
activity.
Furthermore procedural instrument flying is a skill where you need to keep very
current. An hour or so each month just isn't going to cut it. Me and my colleagues
find that just a week or two of holiday before resuming flight operations,
puts most pilots (if they're being honest) somewhat behind the mental drag
curve for a day or two after returning to duty.
And we have the advantage of an Airbus suite of EFIS, Flight Directors and unbeatable
automation, plus two pairs of eyes and ears to monitor the situation.
Yes I have also flown IMC in earlier days as single pilot with no stabilisation
nor autoflight systems, doing things like QGH and GCA in the military. That would
make anyone sweat.
So have fun if you must and I'll hope not to read of any sad CFIT stories.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430200#430200
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| Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
Jonathan,
Couldn't agree more.
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
> On 9/09/2014, at 10:07 am, "jonathanmilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Permit me to annoy you all intensely. After more than four decades of earning
my living as a pilot, military and civilian, and having held a full instrument
rating for over 32 years, wild horses couldn't drag me and my Europa into IMC
or night conditions, even if my aircraft had all the required bells and whistles.
>
> Single-engined in those conditions doesn't seem wise to me, especially in a glass-fibre
airframe in conditions where you can't see and avoid potential lightning
activity.
>
> Furthermore procedural instrument flying is a skill where you need to keep very
current. An hour or so each month just isn't going to cut it. Me and my colleagues
find that just a week or two of holiday before resuming flight operations,
puts most pilots (if they're being honest) somewhat behind the mental drag
curve for a day or two after returning to duty.
>
> And we have the advantage of an Airbus suite of EFIS, Flight Directors and unbeatable
automation, plus two pairs of eyes and ears to monitor the situation.
>
> Yes I have also flown IMC in earlier days as single pilot with no stabilisation
nor autoflight systems, doing things like QGH and GCA in the military. That
would make anyone sweat.
>
> So have fun if you must and I'll hope not to read of any sad CFIT stories.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430200#430200
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
Jonathonthanks for your educated and well-founded opinionparticularly your emphasis
on the importance of true currency, not just by-the-book currencysimilar
reasoning has kept me in the ranks of VFR aviatorsF.
On Sep 8, 2014, at 3:07 PM, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Permit me to annoy you all intensely. After more than four decades of earning
my living as a pilot, military and civilian, and having held a full instrument
rating for over 32 years, wild horses couldn't drag me and my Europa into IMC
or night conditions, even if my aircraft had all the required bells and whistles.
>
> Single-engined in those conditions doesn't seem wise to me, especially in a glass-fibre
airframe in conditions where you can't see and avoid potential lightning
activity.
>
> Furthermore procedural instrument flying is a skill where you need to keep very
current. An hour or so each month just isn't going to cut it. Me and my colleagues
find that just a week or two of holiday before resuming flight operations,
puts most pilots (if they're being honest) somewhat behind the mental drag
curve for a day or two after returning to duty.
>
> And we have the advantage of an Airbus suite of EFIS, Flight Directors and unbeatable
automation, plus two pairs of eyes and ears to monitor the situation.
>
> Yes I have also flown IMC in earlier days as single pilot with no stabilisation
nor autoflight systems, doing things like QGH and GCA in the military. That
would make anyone sweat.
>
> So have fun if you must and I'll hope not to read of any sad CFIT stories.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430200#430200
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
Me too.
Thanks Jonathon.
Kevin
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
>
>
> Jonathonthanks for your educated and well-founded opinionparticularly your emphasis
on the importance of true currency, not just by-the-book currencysimilar
reasoning has kept me in the ranks of VFR aviatorsF.
>
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 3:07 PM, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Permit me to annoy you all intensely. After more than four decades of earning
my living as a pilot, military and civilian, and having held a full instrument
rating for over 32 years, wild horses couldn't drag me and my Europa into IMC
or night conditions, even if my aircraft had all the required bells and whistles.
>>
>> Single-engined in those conditions doesn't seem wise to me, especially in a
glass-fibre airframe in conditions where you can't see and avoid potential lightning
activity.
>>
>> Furthermore procedural instrument flying is a skill where you need to keep very
current. An hour or so each month just isn't going to cut it. Me and my colleagues
find that just a week or two of holiday before resuming flight operations,
puts most pilots (if they're being honest) somewhat behind the mental drag
curve for a day or two after returning to duty.
>>
>> And we have the advantage of an Airbus suite of EFIS, Flight Directors and unbeatable
automation, plus two pairs of eyes and ears to monitor the situation.
>>
>> Yes I have also flown IMC in earlier days as single pilot with no stabilisation
nor autoflight systems, doing things like QGH and GCA in the military. That
would make anyone sweat.
>>
>> So have fun if you must and I'll hope not to read of any sad CFIT stories.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430200#430200
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
Hi Ivan - and others
Two years ago I had opportunity to purchase a brand new 914, and a
Woodcomp at a very reasonably price.
Changed engine last summer after 700 hours og trouble free flying with
the old constellation.
With the old set-up - 914/Warp Drive - i did 105 knots at 4600 rpm,
burning 16.5 ltrs./hr.
At that power setting my old engine/prop really sounded like it could
run for a thousand year - must be the "sweet spot", Ivan :)
My new engine and prop. really sounds and feel OK at 4200 rpm / 30", and
that is giving me exactly 120 knots IAS.
But again - this prop. is a completely new world for me ...
What power-setting are others aiming for at cruise with a 914 and
adjustable prop?
And what fuel-flow do you get?
Regards
Gert
Den 08/09/2014 kl. 18.22 skrev Ivan Shaw <ivanshaw@btinternet.com>:
> Gert,
> I would not run 4200rpm and 30=94=85.sounds a bit over square to me.
> Best way to get your fuel burn info is by test on =91your=92
particular aircraft. Then arrive at a nice economy cruise speed/fuel
burn and a regular cruise speed.
> Remember you want to cruise your Europa =91on the step=92 AOA wise and
this will vary with aircraft weight and differing aircraft. But at MTOW
you want to be going 120kts indicated minimum to be nicely in the
groove.
> Most aircraft have a =91sweet spot=92 speed wise when the aircraft
just =91feels=92 right!! Find the sweet spot for YOUR aircraft and
cruise there=85.why would you do any other?!!
>
> Cheers
> Ivan
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gert
Dalgaard S=F8rensen
> Sent: 08 September 2014 16:05
> To: Europa-List Digest Server
> Subject: Europa-List: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ??
>
> Hi
>
> Could someone show me where I can find figures for the fuel
consumption on my 914 when let us say I go 4.200 rpm / 30" MP ... ???
> All I can find is the graphics in Owners Manual and do. graphs. on
other Rotax enclosures, but the MP is not an item as far as I can see.
>
> Regards Gert
> OY-GDS
> Mono/914/Woodcomp
>
>
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