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1. 01:49 AM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Frans Veldman)
2. 02:12 AM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Max Cointe (Free))
3. 02:26 AM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (AUVRAY Michel)
4. 02:44 AM - Re: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (DAVID JOYCE)
5. 03:13 AM - Re: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (Ivan Shaw)
6. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (Brian Davies)
7. 07:20 AM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Robert Borger)
8. 07:27 AM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (AUVRAY Michel)
9. 07:45 AM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Robert Borger)
10. 07:58 AM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (AUVRAY Michel)
11. 08:02 AM - 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements (Bud Yerly)
12. 08:07 AM - Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements (europa089@aol.com)
13. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (Kevin Challis)
14. 08:27 AM - Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements ()
15. 08:30 AM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Roland)
16. 08:45 AM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Robert Borger)
17. 08:57 AM - Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements (Frans Veldman)
18. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Frans Veldman)
19. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Peter Zutrauen)
20. 10:33 AM - Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements (Bud Yerly)
21. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (Paul McAllister)
22. 11:04 AM - Texel wonderful again (goff)
23. 11:36 AM - Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (graeme bird)
24. 11:38 AM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Roland)
25. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Frans Veldman)
26. 12:00 PM - Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements (Jeremy Fisher)
27. 12:09 PM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Roland)
28. 12:29 PM - Re: Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Frans Veldman)
29. 12:38 PM - Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements (Bud Yerly)
30. 12:43 PM - Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Roland)
31. 01:03 PM - Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements (Frans Veldman)
32. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? (Frans Veldman)
33. 02:09 PM - Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements (craig)
34. 02:37 PM - Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements (Brian Phillips)
35. 04:24 PM - Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (JonSmith)
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
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Hi Gert,
> My new engine and prop. really sounds and feel OK at 4200 rpm /
> 30", and that is giving me exactly 120 knots IAS. But again - this
> prop. is a completely new world for me ... What power-setting are
> others aiming for at cruise with a 914 and adjustable prop?
We usuably cruise with 27" and about 4500 rpm if we are not in a
hurry, which is about 16 l/h fuel, and good for about 120 IAS.
I think for 30" you should go to about 5000 rpm. There is some curve
about that in some Rotax manual. Of course it also depends on the
balance of your prop (I have a two blade prop, and it feels just a bit
more rough in the area of 4600 to 4800 rpm, so I avoid that area.)
Frans
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Subject: | 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
The automatic cruse setting of the Airmaster controler gives us 118Kt IAS @
5000rpm and 25.5" for a 19 l/h consumption. Trimmed on a manuel mode we
can't have better than 120Kt IAS @ 4800 rpm and 26" for 18 l/H
Max Cointe
F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 520 hours
F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S
Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
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De: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Frans Veldman
Envoy: mardi 9 septembre 2014 10:49
: europa-list@matronics.com
Objet: Re: Europa-List: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ??
--> <frans@privatepilots.nl>
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Hi Gert,
> My new engine and prop. really sounds and feel OK at 4200 rpm / 30",
> and that is giving me exactly 120 knots IAS. But again - this prop. is
> a completely new world for me ... What power-setting are others aiming
> for at cruise with a 914 and adjustable prop?
We usuably cruise with 27" and about 4500 rpm if we are not in a hurry,
which is about 16 l/h fuel, and good for about 120 IAS.
I think for 30" you should go to about 5000 rpm. There is some curve about
that in some Rotax manual. Of course it also depends on the balance of your
prop (I have a two blade prop, and it feels just a bit more rough in the
area of 4600 to 4800 rpm, so I avoid that area.)
Frans
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
Salut Max, quelle hauteur tes 25.5"?
Par ailleurs j'ai mis mon avion en vente voir annonce RSA.
Michel AUVRAY
Le 09/09/2014 11:11, Max Cointe (Free) a crit :
>
> The automatic cruse setting of the Airmaster controler gives us 118Kt IAS @
> 5000rpm and 25.5" for a 19 l/h consumption. Trimmed on a manuel mode we
> can't have better than 120Kt IAS @ 4800 rpm and 26" for 18 l/H
>
> Max Cointe
> F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
> Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 520 hours
>
> F-PLDJ Dyn'Aro MCR 4S
> Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Frans Veldman
> Envoy : mardi 9 septembre 2014 10:49
> : europa-list@matronics.com
> Objet : Re: Europa-List: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ??
>
> --> <frans@privatepilots.nl>
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> Hi Gert,
>
>> My new engine and prop. really sounds and feel OK at 4200 rpm / 30",
>> and that is giving me exactly 120 knots IAS. But again - this prop. is
>> a completely new world for me ... What power-setting are others aiming
>> for at cruise with a 914 and adjustable prop?
> We usuably cruise with 27" and about 4500 rpm if we are not in a hurry,
> which is about 16 l/h fuel, and good for about 120 IAS.
> I think for 30" you should go to about 5000 rpm. There is some curve about
> that in some Rotax manual. Of course it also depends on the balance of your
> prop (I have a two blade prop, and it feels just a bit more rough in the
> area of 4600 to 4800 rpm, so I avoid that area.)
>
> Frans
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Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
=C2-This is a really interesting discussion and I have to say that I am i
n total agreement about currency and despite having had an IMC rating for 2
0+ years do not and will not deliberately fly into IMC conditions as a matt
er of open choice, I only ever did the rating to use as a challenge to impr
ove my flying and as a last chance get out of jail free card.=0A=0AI concur
with Jonathans comments that if we have a plethora of Permit built and ope
rated aircraft flying / departing / returning under IFR we will inevitably
be reading about its tragic results, I would be devastated to read of such
tragedies in the press.=0A=0AThere are many different standards of build so
me are stunning some are dogs, even with the annual permit system they stil
l get through ( I have to say that the same happens with CAA and EASA aircr
aft as well). Do we really want these flying blind as a matter of routine a
bove our homes and families?=0A=0AThe other one=0ASent to you=C2-by David
Joyce=0Awww.eastmidsspas.com=C2- =0A=C2-=0APLEASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED A
ND ARE NOW AT=0AThe Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham Road Ripley Derbys DE5 3A
S=0A160 Meters from Sainsbury's Island=0A=C2-=0ASame Phone 0800 4102122 a
nd Direct Mobile 07973 675755=0A=C2-=0A =0A=0A___________________________
_____=0A From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matron
ics.com =0ASent: Monday, 8 September 2014, 23:44=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List
: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-List message p
osted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>=0A=0AJonathonthanks
for your educated and well-founded opinionparticularly your emphas
is on the importance of true =9Ccurrency=9D, not just by-the-bo
ok currencysimilar reasoning has kept me in the ranks of VFR aviat
orsF.=0A=0AOn Sep 8, 2014, at 3:07 PM, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@
ank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>=0A> =0A> Permit me to annoy you all intensely.
After more than four decades of earning my living as a pilot, military and
civilian, and having held a full instrument rating for over 32 years, wild
horses couldn't drag me and my Europa into IMC or night conditions, even i
f my aircraft had all the required bells and whistles.=0A> =0A> Single-engi
ned in those conditions doesn't seem wise to me, especially in a glass-fibr
e airframe in conditions where you can't see and avoid potential lightning
activity.=0A> =0A> Furthermore procedural instrument flying is a skill wher
e you need to keep very current. An hour or so each month just isn't going
to cut it. Me and my colleagues find that just a week or two of holiday bef
ore resuming flight operations, puts most pilots (if they're being honest)
somewhat behind the mental drag curve for a day or two after returning to d
uty.=0A> =0A> And we have the advantage of an Airbus suite of EFIS, Flight
Directors and unbeatable automation, plus two pairs of eyes and ears to mon
itor the situation.=0A> =0A> Yes I have also flown IMC in earlier days as s
ingle pilot with no stabilisation nor autoflight systems, doing things like
QGH and GCA in the military. That would make anyone sweat.=0A> =0A> So hav
e fun if you must and I'll hope not to read of any sad CFIT stories.=0A>
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.mat
ronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430200#430200=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle
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Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
Fred,
I also echo all that you say on the subject, particularly re true currency!
Ivan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein
Sent: 08 September 2014 23:44
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas
Jonathon.thanks for your educated and well-founded opinion.particularly your
emphasis on the importance of true "currency", not just by-the-book
currency.similar reasoning has kept me in the ranks of VFR aviators.F.
On Sep 8, 2014, at 3:07 PM, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> --> <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Permit me to annoy you all intensely. After more than four decades of
earning my living as a pilot, military and civilian, and having held a full
instrument rating for over 32 years, wild horses couldn't drag me and my
Europa into IMC or night conditions, even if my aircraft had all the
required bells and whistles.
>
> Single-engined in those conditions doesn't seem wise to me, especially in
a glass-fibre airframe in conditions where you can't see and avoid potential
lightning activity.
>
> Furthermore procedural instrument flying is a skill where you need to keep
very current. An hour or so each month just isn't going to cut it. Me and my
colleagues find that just a week or two of holiday before resuming flight
operations, puts most pilots (if they're being honest) somewhat behind the
mental drag curve for a day or two after returning to duty.
>
> And we have the advantage of an Airbus suite of EFIS, Flight Directors and
unbeatable automation, plus two pairs of eyes and ears to monitor the
situation.
>
> Yes I have also flown IMC in earlier days as single pilot with no
stabilisation nor autoflight systems, doing things like QGH and GCA in the
military. That would make anyone sweat.
>
> So have fun if you must and I'll hope not to read of any sad CFIT stories.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430200#430200
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
=9Cif we have a plethora of Permit built and operated aircraft
flying / departing / returning under IFR we will inevitably be reading
about its tragic results, I would be devastated to read of such
tragedies in the press.=9D
David, I think this is a bit sensationalistic and flies in the face of
the facts. Pilots in the USA have been able to fly IFR in home built
aircraft for many years and the ground is not littered with smoking
wreckage.
The very understandable comments from the professional pilots in our
community are also not supported by the stats. There are a large number
of (UK) IMC rated pilots flying PA28s, for example, and I think there
has only been two accidents in total since the IMCR was introduced.
Compare this with the number of accidents caused by VFR pilots scud
running.
All of these issues have been fully and professionally examined as part
of the work that has led to the present trials that are taking place.
That is why it has taken 6 years to get to this stage. Any home built
aircraft that is approved for night/IFR will have been through a very
thorough testing process that is at least equivalent to that required
for a certified aircraft.
Regards
Brian Davies
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID JOYCE
Sent: 09 September 2014 10:41
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas
This is a really interesting discussion and I have to say that I am in
total agreement about currency and despite having had an IMC rating for
20+ years do not and will not deliberately fly into IMC conditions as a
matter of open choice, I only ever did the rating to use as a challenge
to improve my flying and as a last chance get out of jail free card.
I concur with Jonathans comments that if we have a plethora of Permit
built and operated aircraft flying / departing / returning under IFR we
will inevitably be reading about its tragic results, I would be
devastated to read of such tragedies in the press.
There are many different standards of build some are stunning some are
dogs, even with the annual permit system they still get through ( I have
to say that the same happens with CAA and EASA aircraft as well). if we
have a plethora of Permit built and operated aircraft flying / departing
/ returning under IFR we will inevitably be reading about its tragic
results, I would be devastated to read of such tragedies in the press.
The other one
Sent to you by David Joyce
<http://www.eastmidsspas.com/> www.eastmidsspas.com
PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED AND ARE NOW AT
The Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham Road Ripley Derbys DE5 3AS
160 Meters from Sainsbury's Island
Same Phone 0800 4102122 and Direct Mobile 07973 675755
From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Monday, 8 September 2014, 23:44
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas
Jonathonthanks for your educated and well-founded
opinionparticularly your emphasis on the importance of true
=9Ccurrency=9D, not just by-the-book
currencysimilar reasoning has kept me in the ranks of VFR
aviatorsF.
On Sep 8, 2014, at 3:07 PM, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
<jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Permit me to annoy you all intensely. After more than four decades of
earning my living as a pilot, military and civilian, and having held a
full instrument rating for over 32 years, wild horses couldn't drag me
and my Europa into IMC or night conditions, even if my aircraft had all
the required bells and whistles.
>
> Single-engined in those conditions doesn't seem wise to me, especially
in a glass-fibre airframe in conditions where you can't see and avoid
potential lightning activity.
>
> Furthermore procedural instrument flying is a skill where you need to
keep very current. An hour or so each month just isn't going to cut it.
Me and my colleagues find that just a week or two of holiday before
resuming flight operations, puts most pilots (if they're being honest)
somewhat behind the mental drag curve for a day or two after returning
to duty.
>
> And we have the advantage of an Airbus suite of EFIS, Flight Directors
and unbeatable automation, plus two pairs of eyes and ears to monitor
the situation.
>
> Yes I have also flown IMC in earlier days as single pilot with no
stabilisation nor autoflight systems, doing things like QGH and GCA in
the military. That would make anyone sweat.
>
> So have fun if you must and I'll hope not to read of any sad CFIT
stories.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430200#430200
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
Hi Gert & others,
On a recent trip to Ruidoso, NM I set =93cruise" on my Airmaster (5000
rpm) & 30=94 MP which resulted in 120 kts IAS with a fuel flow of ~5 gph
(~19 lph). This is with a tri-gear & no speed kit installed. If I ever
get around to installing the wheel pants & gear leg fairings it will
probably be faster at the same fuel flow or I can cruise at the same
speed for a lower fuel flow.
I have heard that Rotax recommends not cruising at an rpm below 5000. I
don=92t know how critical that may be.
FWIW, a Grumman Tiger landed behind me followed me to the pumps. The
copilot (pilot=92s wife) said they ware cruising at 120 kts & burning 12
gph (54.4 lph).
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Gert Dalgaard S=F8rensen
<stabelvej9@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ivan - and others
Two years ago I had opportunity to purchase a brand new 914, and a
Woodcomp at a very reasonably price.
Changed engine last summer after 700 hours og trouble free flying with
the old constellation.
With the old set-up - 914/Warp Drive - i did 105 knots at 4600 rpm,
burning 16.5 ltrs./hr.
At that power setting my old engine/prop really sounded like it could
run for a thousand year - must be the "sweet spot", Ivan :)
My new engine and prop. really sounds and feel OK at 4200 rpm / 30", and
that is giving me exactly 120 knots IAS.
But again - this prop. is a completely new world for me ...
What power-setting are others aiming for at cruise with a 914 and
adjustable prop?
And what fuel-flow do you get?
Regards
Gert
Den 08/09/2014 kl. 18.22 skrev Ivan Shaw <ivanshaw@btinternet.com>:
> Gert,
> I would not run 4200rpm and 30=94=85.sounds a bit over square to me.
> Best way to get your fuel burn info is by test on =91your=92
particular aircraft. Then arrive at a nice economy cruise speed/fuel
burn and a regular cruise speed.
> Remember you want to cruise your Europa =91on the step=92 AOA wise and
this will vary with aircraft weight and differing aircraft. But at MTOW
you want to be going 120kts indicated minimum to be nicely in the
groove.
> Most aircraft have a =91sweet spot=92 speed wise when the aircraft
just =91feels=92 right!! Find the sweet spot for YOUR aircraft and
cruise there=85.why would you do any other?!!
>
> Cheers
> Ivan
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gert
Dalgaard S=F8rensen
> Sent: 08 September 2014 16:05
> To: Europa-List Digest Server
> Subject: Europa-List: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ??
>
> Hi
>
> Could someone show me where I can find figures for the fuel
consumption on my 914 when let us say I go 4.200 rpm / 30" MP ... ???
> All I can find is the graphics in Owners Manual and do. graphs. on
other Rotax enclosures, but the MP is not an item as far as I can see.
>
> Regards Gert
> OY-GDS
> Mono/914/Woodcomp
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
Hello Bob,
What altitude do you check
Le 09/09/2014 16:22, Robert Borger a crit : 5000rpm and 30" 120 kt ?
Many thanks
Michel AUVRAY
> Hi Gert & others,
>
> On a recent trip to Ruidoso, NM I set cruise" on my Airmaster (5000
> rpm) & 30 MP which resulted in 120 kts IAS with a fuel flow of ~5 gph
> (~19 lph). This is with a tri-gear & no speed kit installed. If I
> ever get around to installing the wheel pants & gear leg fairings it
> will probably be faster at the same fuel flow or I can cruise at the
> same speed for a lower fuel flow.
>
> I have heard that Rotax recommends not cruising at an rpm below 5000.
> I dont know how critical that may be.
>
> FWIW, a Grumman Tiger landed behind me followed me to the pumps. The
> copilot (pilots wife) said they ware cruising at 120 kts & burning 12
> gph (54.4 lph).
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com <mailto:rlborger@mac.com>
>
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Gert Dalgaard Srensen
> <stabelvej9@gmail.com <mailto:stabelvej9@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Ivan - and others
>
> Two years ago I had opportunity to purchase a brand new 914, and a
> Woodcomp at a very reasonably price.
> Changed engine last summer after 700 hours og trouble free flying with
> the old constellation.
> With the old set-up - 914/Warp Drive - i did 105 knots at 4600 rpm,
> burning 16.5 ltrs./hr.
> At that power setting my old engine/prop really sounded like it could
> run for a thousand year - must be the "sweet spot", Ivan :)
>
> My new engine and prop. really sounds and feel OK at 4200 rpm / 30",
> and that is giving me exactly 120 knots IAS.
> But again - this prop. is a completely new world for me ...
> What power-setting are others aiming for at cruise with a 914 and
> adjustable prop?
> And what fuel-flow do you get?
>
> Regards
> Gert
>
>
> Den 08/09/2014 kl. 18.22 skrev Ivan Shaw <ivanshaw@btinternet.com
> <mailto:ivanshaw@btinternet.com>>:
>
>> Gert,
>> I would not run 4200rpm and 30.sounds a bit over square to me.
>> Best way to get your fuel burn info is by test on your particular
>> aircraft. Then arrive at a nice economy cruise speed/fuel burn and a
>> regular cruise speed.
>> Remember you want to cruise your Europa on the step AOA wise and
>> this will vary with aircraft weight and differing aircraft. But at
>> MTOW you want to be going 120kts indicated minimum to be nicely in
>> the groove.
>> Most aircraft have a sweet spot speed wise when the aircraft just
>> feels right!! Find the sweet spot for YOUR aircraft and cruise
>> there.why would you do any other?!!
>> Cheers
>> Ivan
>> *From:*owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]*On
>> Behalf Of*Gert Dalgaard Srensen
>> *Sent:*08 September 2014 16:05
>> *To:*Europa-List Digest Server
>> *Subject:*Europa-List: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ??
>> Hi
>> Could someone show me where I can find figures for the fuel
>> consumption on my 914 when let us say I go 4.200 rpm / 30" MP ... ???
>> All I can find is the graphics in Owners Manual and do. graphs. on
>> other Rotax enclosures, but the MP is not an item as far as I can see.
>> Regards Gert
>> OY-GDS
>> Mono/914/Woodcomp
>> <image001.png>
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
Hello Michel,
That was at 8500 ft. Ruidoso airport elevation it 6814 ft and traffic
pattern altitude is 7900 ft and you have to clear some high ground to
get in. TAS was over 130 kts and ground speed was 145 kts with an
unusual wind out of the east.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:26 AM, AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr> wrote:
Hello Bob,
What altitude do you check
Le 09/09/2014 16:22, Robert Borger a =E9crit : 5000rpm and 30" 120 kt ?
Many thanks
Michel AUVRAY
> Hi Gert & others,
>
> On a recent trip to Ruidoso, NM I set =93cruise" on my Airmaster (5000
rpm) & 30=94 MP which resulted in 120 kts IAS with a fuel flow of ~5 gph
(~19 lph). This is with a tri-gear & no speed kit installed. If I ever
get around to installing the wheel pants & gear leg fairings it will
probably be faster at the same fuel flow or I can cruise at the same
speed for a lower fuel flow.
>
> I have heard that Rotax recommends not cruising at an rpm below 5000.
I don=92t know how critical that may be.
>
> FWIW, a Grumman Tiger landed behind me followed me to the pumps. The
copilot (pilot=92s wife) said they ware cruising at 120 kts & burning 12
gph (54.4 lph).
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
>
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Gert Dalgaard S=F8rensen
<stabelvej9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ivan - and others
>
> Two years ago I had opportunity to purchase a brand new 914, and a
Woodcomp at a very reasonably price.
> Changed engine last summer after 700 hours og trouble free flying with
the old constellation.
> With the old set-up - 914/Warp Drive - i did 105 knots at 4600 rpm,
burning 16.5 ltrs./hr.
> At that power setting my old engine/prop really sounded like it could
run for a thousand year - must be the "sweet spot", Ivan :)
>
> My new engine and prop. really sounds and feel OK at 4200 rpm / 30",
and that is giving me exactly 120 knots IAS.
> But again - this prop. is a completely new world for me ...
> What power-setting are others aiming for at cruise with a 914 and
adjustable prop?
> And what fuel-flow do you get?
>
> Regards
> Gert
>
>
>
> Den 08/09/2014 kl. 18.22 skrev Ivan Shaw <ivanshaw@btinternet.com>:
>
>> Gert,
>> I would not run 4200rpm and 30=94=85.sounds a bit over square to me.
>> Best way to get your fuel burn info is by test on =91your=92
particular aircraft. Then arrive at a nice economy cruise speed/fuel
burn and a regular cruise speed.
>> Remember you want to cruise your Europa =91on the step=92 AOA wise
and this will vary with aircraft weight and differing aircraft. But at
MTOW you want to be going 120kts indicated minimum to be nicely in the
groove.
>> Most aircraft have a =91sweet spot=92 speed wise when the aircraft
just =91feels=92 right!! Find the sweet spot for YOUR aircraft and
cruise there=85.why would you do any other?!!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ivan
>>
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gert
Dalgaard S=F8rensen
>> Sent: 08 September 2014 16:05
>> To: Europa-List Digest Server
>> Subject: Europa-List: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ??
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Could someone show me where I can find figures for the fuel
consumption on my 914 when let us say I go 4.200 rpm / 30" MP ... ???
>> All I can find is the graphics in Owners Manual and do. graphs. on
other Rotax enclosures, but the MP is not an item as far as I can see.
>>
>> Regards Gert
>> OY-GDS
>> Mono/914/Woodcomp
>>
>>
>> <image001.png>
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
Many thanks Bob
Michel AUVRAY
Le 09/09/2014 16:48, Robert Borger a crit :
> Hello Michel,
>
> That was at 8500 ft. Ruidoso airport elevation it 6814 ft and traffic
> pattern altitude is 7900 ft and you have to clear some high ground to
> get in. TAS was over 130 kts and ground speed was 145 kts with an
> unusual wind out of the east.
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com <mailto:rlborger@mac.com>
>
> On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:26 AM, AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr
> <mailto:mau11@orange.fr>> wrote:
>
> Hello Bob,
> What altitude do you check
> Le 09/09/2014 16:22, Robert Borger a crit : 5000rpm and 30" 120 kt ?
> Many thanks
> Michel AUVRAY
>> Hi Gert & others,
>>
>> On a recent trip to Ruidoso, NM I set cruise" on my Airmaster (5000
>> rpm) & 30 MP which resulted in 120 kts IAS with a fuel flow of ~5
>> gph (~19 lph). This is with a tri-gear & no speed kit installed. If
>> I ever get around to installing the wheel pants & gear leg fairings
>> it will probably be faster at the same fuel flow or I can cruise at
>> the same speed for a lower fuel flow.
>>
>> I have heard that Rotax recommends not cruising at an rpm below 5000.
>> I dont know how critical that may be.
>>
>> FWIW, a Grumman Tiger landed behind me followed me to the pumps. The
>> copilot (pilots wife) said they ware cruising at 120 kts & burning
>> 12 gph (54.4 lph).
>>
>> Blue skies & tailwinds,
>> Bob Borger
>> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
>> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
>> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
>> Cel: 817-992-1117
>> rlborger@mac.com <mailto:rlborger@mac.com>
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Gert Dalgaard Srensen
>> <stabelvej9@gmail.com <mailto:stabelvej9@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ivan - and others
>>
>> Two years ago I had opportunity to purchase a brand new 914, and a
>> Woodcomp at a very reasonably price.
>> Changed engine last summer after 700 hours og trouble free flying
>> with the old constellation.
>> With the old set-up - 914/Warp Drive - i did 105 knots at 4600
>> rpm, burning 16.5 ltrs./hr.
>> At that power setting my old engine/prop really sounded like it could
>> run for a thousand year - must be the "sweet spot", Ivan :)
>>
>> My new engine and prop. really sounds and feel OK at 4200 rpm / 30",
>> and that is giving me exactly 120 knots IAS.
>> But again - this prop. is a completely new world for me ...
>> What power-setting are others aiming for at cruise with a 914 and
>> adjustable prop?
>> And what fuel-flow do you get?
>>
>> Regards
>> Gert
>>
>>
>>
>> Den 08/09/2014 kl. 18.22 skrev Ivan Shaw <ivanshaw@btinternet.com
>> <mailto:ivanshaw@btinternet.com>>:
>>
>>> Gert,
>>> I would not run 4200rpm and 30.sounds a bit over square to me.
>>> Best way to get your fuel burn info is by test on your particular
>>> aircraft. Then arrive at a nice economy cruise speed/fuel burn and a
>>> regular cruise speed.
>>> Remember you want to cruise your Europa on the step AOA wise and
>>> this will vary with aircraft weight and differing aircraft. But at
>>> MTOW you want to be going 120kts indicated minimum to be nicely in
>>> the groove.
>>> Most aircraft have a sweet spot speed wise when the aircraft just
>>> feels right!! Find the sweet spot for YOUR aircraft and cruise
>>> there.why would you do any other?!!
>>> Cheers
>>> Ivan
>>> *From:*owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]*On
>>> Behalf Of*Gert Dalgaard Srensen
>>> *Sent:*08 September 2014 16:05
>>> *To:*Europa-List Digest Server
>>> *Subject:*Europa-List: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ??
>>> Hi
>>> Could someone show me where I can find figures for the fuel
>>> consumption on my 914 when let us say I go 4.200 rpm / 30" MP ... ???
>>> All I can find is the graphics in Owners Manual and do. graphs. on
>>> other Rotax enclosures, but the MP is not an item as far as I can see.
>>> Regards Gert
>>> OY-GDS
>>> Mono/914/Woodcomp
>>> <image001.png>
>>
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Subject: | 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements |
I'm attaching list of fuel cap requests below.
SPRL is in production right now. Last Chance to order. I expect the
production to be complete by the end of the week.
Then that is it.
If I missed you on the list, please email immediately as I will only
have a couple of spares.
Price looks firm at $35.00 US apiece. US customers will get their cap
via USPS priority (if it fits it ships) for $5.95 Tax is 7% on Florida
Customers Only.
Overseas customers will ship via post and should not exceed $12.00 US.
For those vacationing in the US from overseas, I will hold your cap
until it is convenient for you to pick them up, or I'll forward to your
US vacationing address.
We have a Pay Pal Account. You will be invoiced on shipping and can pay
via check or Pay Pal. Details on the account will be on the invoice.
Thank you for your patronage. I will be able to upgrade my anniversary
dinner from McDonalds to Wendy's.
Qty Name First Last
1 Homer Baker
1 Jim & Heather Butcher
1 Ira Rampil
1 Jerry Hope
1 George Reed
1 Steve Staal
2 Alan & Kate Burrows
1 Dave Anderson
1 Rick Stockton
1 Todd Johnson
1 Karl Heindl
1 Bob Borger
1 Brett Brown
1 John Lawton
1 Richard Kundle
1 Jerry Rehn
1 Danny Shepherd
1 Richard Schultz
1 Bill McClellan
1 Jim Davis
1 Jeff Roberts
1 Hal Carpenter
1 Dave Park
1 Goff Moore
1 Paul McAllister
1 Brad Shafer
1 Andy Ringrose
1 Troy Maynor
1 Bill Bell
1 Rod Palmer
1 Brian Fogg
1 Hans-Peter Reusser
1 Kevin Klienfelter
1 Tony Higgins
1 John Firth
1 Dan Geldermann
1 Greg Fuchs
1 Lee Vaughan
1 Kyle Phillipson
1 Mark Harvey
1 Lance Sanford
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Subject: | Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements |
Bud,
Do you think I should get Two (2) of them?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 9, 2014, at 11:02 AM, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>
> I'm attaching list of fuel cap requests below.
> SPRL is in production right now. Last Chance to order. I expect the prod
uction to be complete by the end of the week.
> Then that is it.
>
> If I missed you on the list, please email immediately as I will only have a
couple of spares.
> Price looks firm at $35.00 US apiece. US customers will get their cap via
USPS priority (if it fits it ships) for $5.95 Tax is 7% on Florida Custome
rs Only.
> Overseas customers will ship via post and should not exceed $12.00 US. Fo
r those vacationing in the US from overseas, I will hold your cap until it i
s convenient for you to pick them up, or I'll forward to your US vacationing
address.
>
> We have a Pay Pal Account. You will be invoiced on shipping and can pay v
ia check or Pay Pal. Details on the account will be on the invoice.
>
> Thank you for your patronage. I will be able to upgrade my anniversary di
nner from McDonalds to Wendy's.
>
> Qty Name First Last
> 1 Homer Baker
> 1 Jim & Heather Butcher
> 1 Ira Rampil
> 1 Jerry Hope
> 1 George Reed
> 1 Steve Staal
> 2 Alan & Kate Burrows
> 1 Dave Anderson
> 1 Rick Stockton
> 1 Todd Johnson
> 1 Karl Heindl
> 1 Bob Borger
> 1 Brett Brown
> 1 John Lawton
> 1 Richard Kundle
> 1 Jerry Rehn
> 1 Danny Shepherd
> 1 Richard Schultz
> 1 Bill McClellan
> 1 Jim Davis
> 1 Jeff Roberts
> 1 Hal Carpenter
> 1 Dave Park
> 1 Goff Moore
> 1 Paul McAllister
> 1 Brad Shafer
> 1 Andy Ringrose
> 1 Troy Maynor
> 1 Bill Bell
> 1 Rod Palmer
> 1 Brian Fogg
> 1 Hans-Peter Reusser
> 1 Kevin Klienfelter
> 1 Tony Higgins
> 1 John Firth
> 1 Dan Geldermann
> 1 Greg Fuchs
> 1 Lee Vaughan
> 1 Kyle Phillipson
> 1 Mark Harvey
> 1 Lance Sanford
>
> Best Regards,
> Bud Yerly
>
>
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Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
Brian
I fully agree, professional pilots engage the autopilot for most of there fl
ights. They earn there money when something goes wrong.
And sometimes they don't like keeping a plane in a stall from 30,000 + feet u
ntil hits the water.
I have only had my IMC for a year and did the training and test in my Europa
. Best bit of training I have done.
Let's not try and kill permit aeroplanes being allowed to fly in IMC when th
e facts don't support the predicted doom and gloom.
Kevin Challis
> On 9 Sep 2014, at 14:56, "Brian Davies" <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
> =9Cif we have a plethora of Permit built and operated aircraft flyin
g / departing / returning under IFR we will inevitably be reading about its t
ragic results, I would be devastated to read of such tragedies in the press.
=9D
>
> David, I think this is a bit sensationalistic and flies in the face of the
facts. Pilots in the USA have been able to fly IFR in home built aircraft f
or many years and the ground is not littered with smoking wreckage.
>
> The very understandable comments from the professional pilots in our commu
nity are also not supported by the stats. There are a large number of (UK)
IMC rated pilots flying PA28s, for example, and I think there has only been
two accidents in total since the IMCR was introduced. Compare this with th
e number of accidents caused by VFR pilots scud running.
>
> All of these issues have been fully and professionally examined as part of
the work that has led to the present trials that are taking place. That is w
hy it has taken 6 years to get to this stage. Any home built aircraft that i
s approved for night/IFR will have been through a very thorough testing proc
ess that is at least equivalent to that required for a certified aircraft.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian Davies
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID JOYCE
> Sent: 09 September 2014 10:41
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas
>
> This is a really interesting discussion and I have to say that I am in to
tal agreement about currency and despite having had an IMC rating for 20+ ye
ars do not and will not deliberately fly into IMC conditions as a matter of o
pen choice, I only ever did the rating to use as a challenge to improve my f
lying and as a last chance get out of jail free card.
>
> I concur with Jonathans comments that if we have a plethora of Permit buil
t and operated aircraft flying / departing / returning under IFR we will ine
vitably be reading about its tragic results, I would be devastated to read o
f such tragedies in the press.
>
> There are many different standards of build some are stunning some are dog
s, even with the annual permit system they still get through ( I have to say
that the same happens with CAA and EASA aircraft as well). if we have a ple
thora of Permit built and operated aircraft flying / departing / returning u
nder IFR we will inevitably be reading about its tragic results, I would be d
evastated to read of such tragedies in the press.
> The other one
>
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> www.eastmidsspas.com
>
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> From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, 8 September 2014, 23:44
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas
>
>
> Jonathonthanks for your educated and well-founded opinion
particularly your emphasis on the importance of true =9Ccurrency
=9D, not just by-the-book currencysimilar reasoning has kept me in t
he ranks of VFR aviatorsF.
>
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 3:07 PM, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
.uk>
> >
> > Permit me to annoy you all intensely. After more than four decades of ea
rning my living as a pilot, military and civilian, and having held a full in
strument rating for over 32 years, wild horses couldn't drag me and my Europ
a into IMC or night conditions, even if my aircraft had all the required bel
ls and whistles.
> >
> > Single-engined in those conditions doesn't seem wise to me, especially i
n a glass-fibre airframe in conditions where you can't see and avoid potenti
al lightning activity.
> >
> > Furthermore procedural instrument flying is a skill where you need to ke
ep very current. An hour or so each month just isn't going to cut it. Me and
my colleagues find that just a week or two of holiday before resuming fligh
t operations, puts most pilots (if they're being honest) somewhat behind the
mental drag curve for a day or two after returning to duty.
> >
> > And we have the advantage of an Airbus suite of EFIS, Flight Directors a
nd unbeatable automation, plus two pairs of eyes and ears to monitor the sit
uation.
> >
> > Yes I have also flown IMC in earlier days as single pilot with no stabil
isation nor autoflight systems, doing things like QGH and GCA in the militar
y. That would make anyone sweat.
> >
> > So have fun if you must and I'll hope not to read of any sad CFIT storie
s.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430200#430200
> >
> >
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Subject: | Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements |
Hi Bud,
Seem to be missing for one reason or another?
1 number please.
John Price
Mulberry Stables
Lullingstone Park
Eynsford
England
DA4 0JA
From: Bud Yerly
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:02 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements
I'm attaching list of fuel cap requests below.
SPRL is in production right now. Last Chance to order. I expect the
production to be complete by the end of the week.
Then that is it.
If I missed you on the list, please email immediately as I will only
have a couple of spares.
Price looks firm at $35.00 US apiece. US customers will get their cap
via USPS priority (if it fits it ships) for $5.95 Tax is 7% on Florida
Customers Only.
Overseas customers will ship via post and should not exceed $12.00 US.
For those vacationing in the US from overseas, I will hold your cap
until it is convenient for you to pick them up, or I'll forward to your
US vacationing address.
We have a Pay Pal Account. You will be invoiced on shipping and can pay
via check or Pay Pal. Details on the account will be on the invoice.
Thank you for your patronage. I will be able to upgrade my anniversary
dinner from McDonalds to Wendy's.
Qty Name First Last
1 Homer Baker
1 Jim & Heather Butcher
1 Ira Rampil
1 Jerry Hope
1 George Reed
1 Steve Staal
2 Alan & Kate Burrows
1 Dave Anderson
1 Rick Stockton
1 Todd Johnson
1 Karl Heindl
1 Bob Borger
1 Brett Brown
1 John Lawton
1 Richard Kundle
1 Jerry Rehn
1 Danny Shepherd
1 Richard Schultz
1 Bill McClellan
1 Jim Davis
1 Jeff Roberts
1 Hal Carpenter
1 Dave Park
1 Goff Moore
1 Paul McAllister
1 Brad Shafer
1 Andy Ringrose
1 Troy Maynor
1 Bill Bell
1 Rod Palmer
1 Brian Fogg
1 Hans-Peter Reusser
1 Kevin Klienfelter
1 Tony Higgins
1 John Firth
1 Dan Geldermann
1 Greg Fuchs
1 Lee Vaughan
1 Kyle Phillipson
1 Mark Harvey
1 Lance Sanford
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
Hi there,
I found out, that it makes quite a difference for measuring performance and fuel
consumption, if I'm solo on board or at MTOM. Plus it's often not mentioned
at which altitude the speed is indicated. At least this (from my point of view)
is important to have comparable figures.
That said, I unfortunately do not have accurate numbers for my aircraft (Trigear
with speed kit, Rotax 914 and Airmaster prop). Roughly I cruise between 115
and 120 KIAS at 2000 ft close to 20 l/h at MTOM.
Gert, thanks again for selling me your engine - it runs like a sewing machine
:)
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS Trigear 914
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430231#430231
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
Michel,
WRT Roland=92s recent comment on weight -- For my Ruidoso trip I was
very light. Just myself, the aircraft cover & a small bag. Probably
200 lbs below MTOW.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:58 AM, AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr> wrote:
Many thanks Bob
Michel AUVRAY
Le 09/09/2014 16:48, Robert Borger a =E9crit :
> Hello Michel,
>
> That was at 8500 ft. Ruidoso airport elevation it 6814 ft and traffic
pattern altitude is 7900 ft and you have to clear some high ground to
get in. TAS was over 130 kts and ground speed was 145 kts with an
unusual wind out of the east.
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
>
> On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:26 AM, AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello Bob,
> What altitude do you check
> Le 09/09/2014 16:22, Robert Borger a =E9crit : 5000rpm and 30" 120 kt
?
> Many thanks
> Michel AUVRAY
>> Hi Gert & others,
>>
>> On a recent trip to Ruidoso, NM I set =93cruise" on my Airmaster
(5000 rpm) & 30=94 MP which resulted in 120 kts IAS with a fuel flow of
~5 gph (~19 lph). This is with a tri-gear & no speed kit installed. If
I ever get around to installing the wheel pants & gear leg fairings it
will probably be faster at the same fuel flow or I can cruise at the
same speed for a lower fuel flow.
>>
>> I have heard that Rotax recommends not cruising at an rpm below 5000.
I don=92t know how critical that may be.
>>
>> FWIW, a Grumman Tiger landed behind me followed me to the pumps. The
copilot (pilot=92s wife) said they ware cruising at 120 kts & burning 12
gph (54.4 lph).
>>
>> Blue skies & tailwinds,
>> Bob Borger
>> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
>> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
>> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
>> Cel: 817-992-1117
>> rlborger@mac.com
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Gert Dalgaard S=F8rensen
<stabelvej9@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ivan - and others
>>
>> Two years ago I had opportunity to purchase a brand new 914, and a
Woodcomp at a very reasonably price.
>> Changed engine last summer after 700 hours og trouble free flying
with the old constellation.
>> With the old set-up - 914/Warp Drive - i did 105 knots at 4600
rpm, burning 16.5 ltrs./hr.
>> At that power setting my old engine/prop really sounded like it could
run for a thousand year - must be the "sweet spot", Ivan :)
>>
>> My new engine and prop. really sounds and feel OK at 4200 rpm / 30",
and that is giving me exactly 120 knots IAS.
>> But again - this prop. is a completely new world for me ...
>> What power-setting are others aiming for at cruise with a 914 and
adjustable prop?
>> And what fuel-flow do you get?
>>
>> Regards
>> Gert
>>
>>
>>
>> Den 08/09/2014 kl. 18.22 skrev Ivan Shaw <ivanshaw@btinternet.com>:
>>
>>> Gert,
>>> I would not run 4200rpm and 30=94=85.sounds a bit over square to me.
>>> Best way to get your fuel burn info is by test on =91your=92
particular aircraft. Then arrive at a nice economy cruise speed/fuel
burn and a regular cruise speed.
>>> Remember you want to cruise your Europa =91on the step=92 AOA wise
and this will vary with aircraft weight and differing aircraft. But at
MTOW you want to be going 120kts indicated minimum to be nicely in the
groove.
>>> Most aircraft have a =91sweet spot=92 speed wise when the aircraft
just =91feels=92 right!! Find the sweet spot for YOUR aircraft and
cruise there=85.why would you do any other?!!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Ivan
>>>
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gert
Dalgaard S=F8rensen
>>> Sent: 08 September 2014 16:05
>>> To: Europa-List Digest Server
>>> Subject: Europa-List: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ??
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Could someone show me where I can find figures for the fuel
consumption on my 914 when let us say I go 4.200 rpm / 30" MP ... ???
>>> All I can find is the graphics in Owners Manual and do. graphs. on
other Rotax enclosures, but the MP is not an item as far as I can see.
>>>
>>> Regards Gert
>>> OY-GDS
>>> Mono/914/Woodcomp
>>>
>>>
>>> <image001.png>
>>
>>
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On 09/09/2014 05:02 PM, Bud Yerly wrote:
> I'm attaching list of fuel cap requests below.
I missed this discussion initially, and later thought it was only for
classics.
However, I just ran to my airplane and discovered that my cap is 69 mm
(the opening being 70mm) so I suspect that I have the no longer
produced cap.
Therefor, could you please put me on the list?
Best regards,
Frans Veldman
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On 09/09/2014 05:30 PM, Roland wrote:
> I found out, that it makes quite a difference for measuring
> performance and fuel consumption, if I'm solo on board or at MTOM.
I always fly (at least) at MTOW. However what I found out is that the
distribution of the weight has quite an impact on performance: the
more aft, the less drag, and the better the performance.
Hence when Ilona and I are going on vacation with a lot of lugage with
us, the airplane is actually faster than when we are flying with just
the seats occupied.
The reason is simple: with the CoG more aft the tailplane has less
"inverted lift" to produce, and this also reduces the load on the main
wings. So this reduces two times induced drag.
Indeed, while cruising in stable weather we often shift a few heavy
things more aft in the bagage compartment, which is immediately
rewarded by the need to trim a bit more forward, followed by a higher
cruise speed.
Another thing you need to be aware off is that it makes a difference
whether you climbed up to that speed, or came down to that speed. So
we often overshoot our intended altitude a bit, and after reaching a
stabilized speed, we push her down to the desired altitude, and a
higher speed is kept if you be cautious not to let that speed to be
"climbed away" again.
I know, we consider it some kind of sport to get the most out of our
flying machine (or out of our precious fuel). It is worth a grin if
you get a consistent 120 knots for 16 l/h.
> Plus it's often not mentioned at which altitude the speed is
> indicated. At least this (from my point of view) is important to
> have comparable figures.
IAS is IAS regardless of altitude as far as I can recall. Of course
altitude has influence on ground speed, but that should never be used
for performance comparisons.
Frans
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
"The reason is simple: with the CoG more aft the tailplane has less
"inverted lift" to produce, and this also reduces the load on the main
wings. So this reduces two times induced drag."
Hi Frans,
I might question the accuracy of the above assertion - (IMHO) The load on
the wing would be greater with the higher gross weight (with the additional
luggage), and thus the main wing's induced drag is greater - can't get
around that. The net drag savings from a more aft CG come purely from
the lower induced drag by the lower angle of incidence of the forward
trimmed tailplane, from which the drag savings must be greater than the
penalty of higher induced drag from the main wing.
Cheers,
Pete
A239
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
wrote:
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> On 09/09/2014 05:30 PM, Roland wrote:
>
> > I found out, that it makes quite a difference for measuring
> > performance and fuel consumption, if I'm solo on board or at MTOM.
>
> I always fly (at least) at MTOW. However what I found out is that the
> distribution of the weight has quite an impact on performance: the
> more aft, the less drag, and the better the performance.
> Hence when Ilona and I are going on vacation with a lot of lugage with
> us, the airplane is actually faster than when we are flying with just
> the seats occupied.
> The reason is simple: with the CoG more aft the tailplane has less
> "inverted lift" to produce, and this also reduces the load on the main
> wings. So this reduces two times induced drag.
> Indeed, while cruising in stable weather we often shift a few heavy
> things more aft in the bagage compartment, which is immediately
> rewarded by the need to trim a bit more forward, followed by a higher
> cruise speed.
>
> Another thing you need to be aware off is that it makes a difference
> whether you climbed up to that speed, or came down to that speed. So
> we often overshoot our intended altitude a bit, and after reaching a
> stabilized speed, we push her down to the desired altitude, and a
> higher speed is kept if you be cautious not to let that speed to be
> "climbed away" again.
>
> I know, we consider it some kind of sport to get the most out of our
> flying machine (or out of our precious fuel). It is worth a grin if
> you get a consistent 120 knots for 16 l/h.
>
> > Plus it's often not mentioned at which altitude the speed is
> > indicated. At least this (from my point of view) is important to
> > have comparable figures.
>
> IAS is IAS regardless of altitude as far as I can recall. Of course
> altitude has influence on ground speed, but that should never be used
> for performance comparisons.
>
> Frans
>
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Subject: | Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements |
John,
Sorry, I could not find the post when I checked this morning.
You are on the list now.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements
Hi Bud,
Seem to be missing for one reason or another?
1 number please.
John Price
Mulberry Stables
Lullingstone Park
Eynsford
England
DA4 0JA
From: Bud Yerly<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:02 PM
To: europa-list<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Europa-List: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements
I'm attaching list of fuel cap requests below.
SPRL is in production right now. Last Chance to order. I expect the
production to be complete by the end of the week.
Then that is it.
If I missed you on the list, please email immediately as I will only
have a couple of spares.
Price looks firm at $35.00 US apiece. US customers will get their cap
via USPS priority (if it fits it ships) for $5.95 Tax is 7% on Florida
Customers Only.
Overseas customers will ship via post and should not exceed $12.00 US.
For those vacationing in the US from overseas, I will hold your cap
until it is convenient for you to pick them up, or I'll forward to your
US vacationing address.
We have a Pay Pal Account. You will be invoiced on shipping and can
pay via check or Pay Pal. Details on the account will be on the
invoice.
Thank you for your patronage. I will be able to upgrade my
anniversary dinner from McDonalds to Wendy's.
Qty Name First Last
1 Homer Baker
1 Jim & Heather Butcher
1 Ira Rampil
1 Jerry Hope
1 George Reed
1 Steve Staal
2 Alan & Kate Burrows
1 Dave Anderson
1 Rick Stockton
1 Todd Johnson
1 Karl Heindl
1 Bob Borger
1 Brett Brown
1 John Lawton
1 Richard Kundle
1 Jerry Rehn
1 Danny Shepherd
1 Richard Schultz
1 Bill McClellan
1 Jim Davis
1 Jeff Roberts
1 Hal Carpenter
1 Dave Park
1 Goff Moore
1 Paul McAllister
1 Brad Shafer
1 Andy Ringrose
1 Troy Maynor
1 Bill Bell
1 Rod Palmer
1 Brian Fogg
1 Hans-Peter Reusser
1 Kevin Klienfelter
1 Tony Higgins
1 John Firth
1 Dan Geldermann
1 Greg Fuchs
1 Lee Vaughan
1 Kyle Phillipson
1 Mark Harvey
1 Lance Sanford
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Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
Hello everyone.
There has been a lot of discussion about flying the Europa IFR on the forum
so I'll toss in my 2 cents worth. I have both and ILS and GPS approach set
up in my aircraft. My experience is that it isn't a very good IFR platform
at all. It's just too light and as such, difficult to set up a stable
approach. I have personal minimums of 600' on an ILS and 800' and GPS
approach and quite frankly I'll only do that if I am super current, and the
reality that this I am almost never super current. I can count on one hand
the number of times I have done an instrument approach in my Europa.
What I do find the IFR capability useful for is to leave an area of marginal
weather and fly to a place that is forecasted to be clear VFR.
I echo Johnathan's comments, flying two pilot operations in multiengine type
rated aircraft is a whole different world and a much better situation than
single pilot IFR. In days gone by I'd fly my Piper Comanche down to
minimums, but not anymore, I guess I must be getting old.
One other thought that Johnathan hadn't mentioned, I have encountered un
forecasted icing and even the slightest amount of ice on the Europa's wings
is a horrible thought to contemplate.
So hopefully if Johnathan hasn't annoyed you all intensely, I have.... lol
Cheers, Paul
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Subject: | Texel wonderful again |
It never ceases to delight. This one saw the following Europas in attendance:
G-CHOX
G-IVER
G-PTAG
G-OMIK
G-SMDH
G-BZTH
PH-ZTI
LX-CWT
PH-DIY
PH-JAI
PH-SIE
Great thanks to our many Dutch hosts for their wonderful hospitality.
Goff
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Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
I read this week in Pilot the report of the TB10 fatality last year near Bristol,
and thought it was a shame he had no confidence in IMC even though he had a
few hundred hours PIC and a plane equipt for it. From his track he looked to
be in a real panic.
Just a few times a year I get in near IMC ish weather, haze, or haze and sun, some
low cloud or cloud going from 2/8 to 6/8, maybe having started over the sea
only to find a bank of mist/cloud at 500ft. I quite like to fly in a variety
of conditions and deliberately fly all year round. Sticking to CAV OK is a mistake.
For me its about the confidence. I just want to feel confident and calm, trained
and equipt in inadvertent marginal conditions. I guess I don't really need the
plane certifying as I don't intend to take off in IMC but it would be good
to have it and do my bi annual validations on it. One more aid to confidence.
It is more twitchy than a PA28 and even in a PA28 flying for any period in thick
cloud is stressful with the changes in air density turbulence etc so I am not
going there on purpose.
On one hand you have Mr Airbus auto pilot on the other some chap who flies round
the world through hour upon hour of horrendous stuff in a flex wing.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 105 hours 26 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
[/quote]
IAS is IAS regardless of altitude as far as I can recall
Frans,
I think you are wrong here. The higher you fly, the less KIAS you have with the
same power setting.
Roland
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On 09/09/2014 08:37 PM, Roland wrote:
> I think you are wrong here. The higher you fly, the less KIAS you
> have with the same power setting.
Never observed that, and why would that be the case?
(Just to be sure, with "power setting" you don't mean the position of
the throttle on a naturally aspirated engine, right?)
Frans
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Subject: | Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements |
Bud,
I just checked and found out that my fuel cap is also 70mm. If
possible, please add me to your list for a replacement/spare.
Thanks.
Jerry Fisher
On Sep 9, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Bud Yerly wrote:
> I'm attaching list of fuel cap requests below.
> SPRL is in production right now. Last Chance to order. I expect the
production to be complete by the end of the week.
> Then that is it.
>
> If I missed you on the list, please email immediately as I will only
have a couple of spares.
> Price looks firm at $35.00 US apiece. US customers will get their cap
via USPS priority (if it fits it ships) for $5.95 Tax is 7% on Florida
Customers Only.
> Overseas customers will ship via post and should not exceed $12.00 US.
For those vacationing in the US from overseas, I will hold your cap
until it is convenient for you to pick them up, or I'll forward to your
US vacationing address.
>
> We have a Pay Pal Account. You will be invoiced on shipping and can
pay via check or Pay Pal. Details on the account will be on the
invoice.
>
> Thank you for your patronage. I will be able to upgrade my
anniversary dinner from McDonalds to Wendy's.
>
> Qty Name First Last
> 1 Homer Baker
> 1 Jim & Heather Butcher
> 1 Ira Rampil
> 1 Jerry Hope
> 1 George Reed
> 1 Steve Staal
> 2 Alan & Kate Burrows
> 1 Dave Anderson
> 1 Rick Stockton
> 1 Todd Johnson
> 1 Karl Heindl
> 1 Bob Borger
> 1 Brett Brown
> 1 John Lawton
> 1 Richard Kundle
> 1 Jerry Rehn
> 1 Danny Shepherd
> 1 Richard Schultz
> 1 Bill McClellan
> 1 Jim Davis
> 1 Jeff Roberts
> 1 Hal Carpenter
> 1 Dave Park
> 1 Goff Moore
> 1 Paul McAllister
> 1 Brad Shafer
> 1 Andy Ringrose
> 1 Troy Maynor
> 1 Bill Bell
> 1 Rod Palmer
> 1 Brian Fogg
> 1 Hans-Peter Reusser
> 1 Kevin Klienfelter
> 1 Tony Higgins
> 1 John Firth
> 1 Dan Geldermann
> 1 Greg Fuchs
> 1 Lee Vaughan
> 1 Kyle Phillipson
> 1 Mark Harvey
> 1 Lance Sanford
>
> Best Regards,
> Bud Yerly
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
Hi Frans,
for example here an extraction of the Cirrus SR 22 POH
SR22 nonT ISA, Werte teils interpoliert, IAS errechnet
Alt/Power/TAS/IAS/FF /GpH
8000 55% 160 138 13,1
10000 55% 163 136 13,1
12000 55% 166 134 13,1
14000 55% 170 133 13,1
16000 55% 173 131 13,1
17000 55% 175 131 13,2
Doesn't have anything to do with Turbo/Non Turbo.
Groet
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS Trigear 914
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On 09/09/2014 09:08 PM, Roland wrote:
> for example here an extraction of the Cirrus SR 22 POH
Interesting! These are rather high altitudes, don't know if that has
anything to do with it. Also, does the Cirrus have variable pitch props?
I'm looking for a reason why this could be. As I said, I never
observed something like this with my Europa. The only thing that
changes at high (FL100) altitudes (besides the increase in ground
speed) is that the cooling is a bit less due to the lower density so I
have to open up the cowl flap a bit more. All other flight parameters
remain the same. Which makes somehow sense as both the aerodynamic
drag and pressure on the pitot diminish at the same rate. Any idea here?
Frans
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Subject: | Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements |
Jeremy,
I'll see if I can get another cap added on. I'll email you directly
back Wednesday PM.
Email me at budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com> with your address.
Bud
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From: Jeremy Fisher<mailto:jffisher@gmail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements
Bud,
I just checked and found out that my fuel cap is also 70mm. If
possible, please add me to your list for a replacement/spare.
Thanks.
Jerry Fisher
On Sep 9, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Bud Yerly wrote:
I'm attaching list of fuel cap requests below.
SPRL is in production right now. Last Chance to order. I expect
the production to be complete by the end of the week.
Then that is it.
If I missed you on the list, please email immediately as I will only
have a couple of spares.
Price looks firm at $35.00 US apiece. US customers will get their
cap via USPS priority (if it fits it ships) for $5.95 Tax is 7% on
Florida Customers Only.
Overseas customers will ship via post and should not exceed $12.00
US. For those vacationing in the US from overseas, I will hold your cap
until it is convenient for you to pick them up, or I'll forward to your
US vacationing address.
We have a Pay Pal Account. You will be invoiced on shipping and can
pay via check or Pay Pal. Details on the account will be on the
invoice.
Thank you for your patronage. I will be able to upgrade my
anniversary dinner from McDonalds to Wendy's.
Qty Name First Last
1 Homer Baker
1 Jim & Heather Butcher
1 Ira Rampil
1 Jerry Hope
1 George Reed
1 Steve Staal
2 Alan & Kate Burrows
1 Dave Anderson
1 Rick Stockton
1 Todd Johnson
1 Karl Heindl
1 Bob Borger
1 Brett Brown
1 John Lawton
1 Richard Kundle
1 Jerry Rehn
1 Danny Shepherd
1 Richard Schultz
1 Bill McClellan
1 Jim Davis
1 Jeff Roberts
1 Hal Carpenter
1 Dave Park
1 Goff Moore
1 Paul McAllister
1 Brad Shafer
1 Andy Ringrose
1 Troy Maynor
1 Bill Bell
1 Rod Palmer
1 Brian Fogg
1 Hans-Peter Reusser
1 Kevin Klienfelter
1 Tony Higgins
1 John Firth
1 Dan Geldermann
1 Greg Fuchs
1 Lee Vaughan
1 Kyle Phillipson
1 Mark Harvey
1 Lance Sanford
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Subject: | Re: 914 / Woodcomp / fuel consumption ... ?? |
I don't know, how good your German is, but I don't have anything other at hand
- sorry (and cannot explain it myself):
https://www.pilotundflugzeug.de/forum/2014,08,04,18,3733399
Let's discuss that on Texel next year ;-)
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On 09/09/2014 09:37 PM, Bud Yerly wrote:
> Jeremy, I'll see if I can get another cap added on. I'll email you
> directly back Wednesday PM.
I think you missed my email? I would also like to be put on the list.
Thanks,
Frans
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On 09/09/2014 09:42 PM, Roland wrote:
>
> I don't know, how good your German is, but I don't have anything
> other at hand - sorry (and cannot explain it myself):
I have read it (I can read German if I have to ;-) ) but it seems
there is no real definite answer, but if I understand correctly it is
because of reduced prop efficiency at altitude.
The solution to this seems to have a prop with a larger diameter,
which is exactly what I have. ;-)
And of course I have my questions about the effects in more normal
altitudes, like from 0 to FL90, instead of FL80 to FL170. I mean,
FL170 (like in the graph) is something I never have been testing with
my Europa. ;-)
Frans
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Subject: | 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements |
Sorry bud, me too if I am not too late
Regards
craig
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements
John,
Sorry, I could not find the post when I checked this morning.
You are on the list now.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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From: nicolaandjohn@talktalk.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements
Hi Bud,
Seem to be missing for one reason or another?
1 number please.
John Price
Mulberry Stables
Lullingstone Park
Eynsford
England
DA4 0JA
From: Bud Yerly <mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:02 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements
I'm attaching list of fuel cap requests below.
SPRL is in production right now. Last Chance to order. I expect the
production to be complete by the end of the week.
Then that is it.
If I missed you on the list, please email immediately as I will only have a
couple of spares.
Price looks firm at $35.00 US apiece. US customers will get their cap via
USPS priority (if it fits it ships) for $5.95 Tax is 7% on Florida
Customers Only.
Overseas customers will ship via post and should not exceed $12.00 US. For
those vacationing in the US from overseas, I will hold your cap until it is
convenient for you to pick them up, or I'll forward to your US vacationing
address.
We have a Pay Pal Account. You will be invoiced on shipping and can pay via
check or Pay Pal. Details on the account will be on the invoice.
Thank you for your patronage. I will be able to upgrade my anniversary
dinner from McDonalds to Wendy's.
Qty
Name First
Last
1
Homer
Baker
1
Jim & Heather
Butcher
1
Ira
Rampil
1
Jerry
Hope
1
George
Reed
1
Steve
Staal
2
Alan & Kate
Burrows
1
Dave
Anderson
1
Rick
Stockton
1
Todd
Johnson
1
Karl
Heindl
1
Bob
Borger
1
Brett
Brown
1
John
Lawton
1
Richard
Kundle
1
Jerry
Rehn
1
Danny
Shepherd
1
Richard
Schultz
1
Bill
McClellan
1
Jim
Davis
1
Jeff
Roberts
1
Hal
Carpenter
1
Dave
Park
1
Goff
Moore
1
Paul
McAllister
1
Brad
Shafer
1
Andy
Ringrose
1
Troy
Maynor
1
Bill
Bell
1
Rod
Palmer
1
Brian
Fogg
1
Hans-Peter
Reusser
1
Kevin
Klienfelter
1
Tony
Higgins
1
John
Firth
1
Dan
Geldermann
1
Greg
Fuchs
1
Lee
Vaughan
1
Kyle
Phillipson
1
Mark
Harvey
1
Lance
Sanford
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Subject: | Re: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements |
Hi Bud,
I seem to be missing as well.
I would like one also please if I'm not too late.
Brian Phillips
Sydney,
Downunder.
From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
Subject: Europa-List: 70mm Fuel Cap Replacements
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
I'm attaching list of fuel cap requests below.
SPRL is in production right now. Last Chance to order. I expect the
production to be complete by the end of the week.
Then that is it.
If I missed you on the list, please email immediately as I will only have
a couple of spares.
Price looks firm at $35.00 US apiece. US customers will get their cap via
USPS priority (if it fits it ships) for $5.95 Tax is 7% on Florida
Customers Only.
Overseas customers will ship via post and should not exceed $12.00 US. For
those vacationing in the US from overseas, I will hold your cap until it
is convenient for you to pick them up, or I'll forward to your US
vacationing address.
We have a Pay Pal Account. You will be invoiced on shipping and can pay
via check or Pay Pal. Details on the account will be on the invoice.
Thank you for your patronage. I will be able to upgrade my anniversary
dinner from McDonalds to Wendy's.
Qty
Name First
Last
1
Homer
Baker
1
Jim & Heather
Butcher
1
Ira
Rampil
1
Jerry
Hope
1
George
Reed
1
Steve
Staal
2
Alan & Kate
Burrows
1
Dave
Anderson
1
Rick
Stockton
1
Todd
Johnson
1
Karl
Heindl
1
Bob
Borger
1
Brett
Brown
1
John
Lawton
1
Richard
Kundle
1
Jerry
Rehn
1
Danny
Shepherd
1
Richard
Schultz
1
Bill
McClellan
1
Jim
Davis
1
Jeff
Roberts
1
Hal
Carpenter
1
Dave
Park
1
Goff
Moore
1
Paul
McAllister
1
Brad
Shafer
1
Andy
Ringrose
1
Troy
Maynor
1
Bill
Bell
1
Rod
Palmer
1
Brian
Fogg
1
Hans-Peter
Reusser
1
Kevin
Klienfelter
1
Tony
Higgins
1
John
Firth
1
Dan
Geldermann
1
Greg
Fuchs
1
Lee
Vaughan
1
Kyle
Phillipson
1
Mark
Harvey
1
Lance
Sanford
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
I guess you will have "x" hundred pilots and "x" hundred views on this! My feeling
is that I welcome the possibility that we may one day be given the privilege
to be able to consider extending our options on a given occasion if considered
appropriate.
The realisation of one's own limitations and those of the aircraft is a vital part
of all aspects of aviation, none more so than the proposed Permit IFR operations.
Personal ability and limitations along with aircraft ability and limitations
are paramount and need to be fully understood and appreciated always.
But my view is that the permit IFR issue is essentially no different to "IFR
operations" in say a Cessna 150 or a C of A Auster for example which has always
been allowed. I personally would be just as happy to go out and conduct the
same IFR flight in my Europa that I might go and do in a Cessna 150 that I have
been qualified to do for years.
Yes we do need to consider and realise just what it is we are hoping to be able
to be able to do! I don't think any of us believe that we will suddenly become
a true all weather/ go anywhere, anytime you like type operation in our little
Europas and go whizzing down the ILS to minimums at Heathrow or Paris Charles
de Gaulle on a daily basis with the big boys. But to have the capability (in
quiet uncontrolled airspace if you like) to legally climb up through a benign
layer of cloud to cruise in the beautiful clear air above and descend down
through the layer again into good weather below - and to have the capability if
necessary to make a simple ILS approach as a cloud break procedure at say a
small quiet regional type airport is not beyond the realms of possibility for
many of us.
I have "dabbled" in the past on a number of occasions to make trips go easier and
must say I have always found my Europa a very good instrument platform. Light,
very responsive and stable. It's sensitive of course but I don't find it
at all twitchy. But I know my limitations and those of my plane and my intention
as always, with careful planning and thought is never to overstep those limits.
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