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1. 04:07 AM - Wing missing mass balance reassess (tonyvaccarella)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: Wing missing mass balance reassess (Tony Renshaw)
3. 11:10 AM - Re: Wing missing mass balance reassess (Fred Klein)
4. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: Loading/unloading a mono without wings attached? (Roddyeurupa)
5. 01:23 PM - Re: Wing missing mass balance reassess (David Joyce)
6. 01:35 PM - Memory foam seat squabs (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
7. 01:36 PM - Re: Wing missing mass balance reassess (Bud Yerly)
8. 02:57 PM - Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (Alan Carter)
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| Subject: | Wing missing mass balance reassess |
Hello all,
I just joined this forum today - I live in Sydney Australia and have recently got
possession of a partially built Europa XS (tailwheel) from the USA.
While taking stock of the equipment I noted that the aileron mass balance reassesses
that should have been installed prior to wing close-out are missing.
Point here is that the wings are definitely closed - so before I even begin, I
need to sort out this problem. Has anyone come across this before. Will I need
to open the wind again (if that is possible) or can I install the reassesses
at this late stage.
Regards,
Tony Vaccarella
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Tony Vaccarella
Mascot NSW 2020
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Wing missing mass balance reassess |
Hi Tony,
No help with an XS wing except to say I have heard of the wing being opened with
the careful application of heat, that no doubt others might be able to comment
on. Otherwise I live in Hornsby Heights Sydney, also building a Taildragger,
so, welcome to the Europa fraternity. You will find this list invaluable and
whilst little things have frustrated me along the way, the Europa engineering,
the way it was originally designed and then brought out as a kit so we could
have a crack, I still admire.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
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> On 13 Sep 2014, at 1:06 pm, "tonyvaccarella" <tony@weimagine.com.au> wrote:
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> Hello all,
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> I just joined this forum today - I live in Sydney Australia and have recently
got possession of a partially built Europa XS (tailwheel) from the USA.
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> While taking stock of the equipment I noted that the aileron mass balance reassesses
that should have been installed prior to wing close-out are missing.
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> Point here is that the wings are definitely closed - so before I even begin,
I need to sort out this problem. Has anyone come across this before. Will I need
to open the wind again (if that is possible) or can I install the reassesses
at this late stage.
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> Regards,
> Tony Vaccarella
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> Mascot NSW 2020
> Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Wing missing mass balance reassess |
On Sep 13, 2014, at 4:06 AM, tonyvaccarella <tony@weimagine.com.au>
wrote:
> While taking stock of the equipment I noted that the aileron mass
balance reassesses that should have been installed prior to wing
close-out are missing.
Tony=85I don=92t recall any previous discussion on this forum of the
situation which you face.
I too have heard of judicious application of heat being used to undo
Reduxed joints, but I=92ve no experience doing so.
Given that the previous builder of your kit made this omission=85and
I=92ll say a rather fundemental omission at that...if I were in your
shoes, the first thing I would do is slowly and carefully verify that
EVERYTHING ELSE which was required to have been installed prior to wing
close-out was in fact accomplished.
If everything else is satisfactory, I would then explore the possibility
of cutting out the underside of the wing at the trailing edge so that
the mass balance recess could be inserted and reinforced=85I=92d
consider the possibility of creating some flanges which could support
the moulded recess.
I do not have the background or knowledge to give any advice=85I can
only describe how I would imagine myself dealing w/ this problem.
Be aware that there have been some wings shipped w/ the pre-moulded
locations for the mass balance recess moldings mis-aligned (as were
mine)=85in which case, preparation for those moldings was a bit more
complicated. I believe there is an advisory from the factory on how to
deal w/ this situation.
Proceed w/ caution,
Hope this helps,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Loading/unloading a mono without wings attached? |
Something I have done many times to take my mono off its trailer is to take off
the top cowl and hoist it up (engine hoist or hoist from a beam in the garage).
Useful to check uc retraction, adjust bungee , or work on engine. Just make
sure it's secure!
Roddy kesterton g-KRK
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| Subject: | Re: Wing missing mass balance reassess |
Tony, I wouldn't even contemplate taking the whole upper
wing surface off. If there is any question of opening the
wing up then a small local patch could , I guess be cut
out and subsequently repaired, probably best from both
cosmetic and aerodynamic views, on the undersurface. It is
very difficult to do any heat produced modifications on
any sizeable area. Getting a spar pin socket out of the
seat back works nicely if you blow a heat gun down the
hole, but I would hesitate to try anything bigger. But
what you really need is an inspector with fibreglass
skills, and ideally someone who is a professional glider
repairer. I assume there must be one or more such persons
in Oz as glider pilots not infrequently get it wrong and
make a bit of a mess of their plane, and very extensive
damage can be repaired to as new standards. But there are
strict principles for maintaining the strength of the
structures. Alternatively, speaking as a retired
gynaecologist, I suspect it might be possible to put
modified recess bits in through the hole in the close out
possibly by say cutting in two vertically and patching
over the join line.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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"tonyvaccarella" <tony@weimagine.com.au> wrote:
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> Hello all,
>
> I just joined this forum today - I live in Sydney
>Australia and have recently got possession of a partially
>built Europa XS (tailwheel) from the USA.
>
> While taking stock of the equipment I noted that the
>aileron mass balance reassesses that should have been
>installed prior to wing close-out are missing.
>
> Point here is that the wings are definitely closed - so
>before I even begin, I need to sort out this problem. Has
>anyone come across this before. Will I need to open the
>wind again (if that is possible) or can I install the
>reassesses at this late stage.
>
> Regards,
> Tony Vaccarella
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> Tony Vaccarella
> Mascot NSW 2020
> Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Memory foam seat squabs |
In case anyone is interested in the above, they're available
this week=C2-at Aldi; =C2=A312 for a set of=C2-two seat sq
uabs about 1.5" thick.=0A=C2-If you dare to be seen there
!=0A=C2-=0ADuncan McF=0Ado not archive=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Wing missing mass balance reassess |
Tony,
Often there is little precious room in the wing for poorly built (or
just factory assembled and glued up) aileron weights.
Many times I have to cut the top off the supplied boxes and flanges to
get the weight box to fit the customers (or factory NG assembled)
ailerons.
To be brief: you will fabricate a weight box as we did in the Classic
wing which was all foam (Reference page 8-14). The exercise above is
easy and often times fits the wing and aileron weights much more
accurately. When finished you will have a bit more sanding to do, but
it is worth it.
REMEMBER- Since the rear of the wing is cut out, what you are doing is
adding back in shear load structure.
One solution is to use foam of about 3/8 inch thick or more, on each
side of the mass balance arm hole and at the front. Lay 2-3 layers of
glass around the closeout. You may recess the foam an inch from the
opening and make a closeout as in the aileron. This recessed closeout
is a strong C section, but will require filling or it will look nasty.
Use more foam to fill the gap with a bit of expand cell and cover with 2
oz cloth for neatness.
Or as we did in the Classic, install the foam about 3/16 inch from the
aileron weight with rapid epoxy. Cut a generous flox corner at the
junction of the foam to top, bottom, and aft closeout skins. Be sure to
run the glass along the upper surface and butt it at the lower skins.
Let the glass hang past the skins a bit and peel ply. Trim after cure.
I prefer the latter as there is less filling, but in my opinion, the
former aileron style closeout is a stronger joint with the glass flat on
both the upper, lower and aft closeout. It takes another step to fill
and clean up as it is a big hole...
Cutting the wing open for essentially a close out of 4 plies is too hard
to recover from in time and money.
Congratulations on your purchase.
Study your build manual hard, ask questions and hone your skills.
You will be rewarded with a great aircraft.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
US Europa Dealer
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Subject: Europa-List: Wing missing mass balance reassess
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Hello all,
I just joined this forum today - I live in Sydney Australia and have
recently got possession of a partially built Europa XS (tailwheel) from
the USA.
While taking stock of the equipment I noted that the aileron mass
balance reassesses that should have been installed prior to wing
close-out are missing.
Point here is that the wings are definitely closed - so before I even
begin, I need to sort out this problem. Has anyone come across this
before. Will I need to open the wind again (if that is possible) or can
I install the reassesses at this late stage.
Regards,
Tony Vaccarella
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Mascot NSW 2020
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
Hello All.
When you get to page 2+ on the forum it means to me its a tricky subject under
discussion. When you have flown four engines then come down to flying on 2 engines
flying with one engine become unthinkable.
And the older you get, the wiser you become in valuing your life.
I agree mainly with Jonathan's comments, but I have flown 10,000 hours on single
engine aeroplanes with only one forced landing, and that when part of the prop
decided not to stay with the aeroplanein an inverted spin, really can,t be
call an engine failure. So I have had 10,000 hours safely on one engine, admittedly
not Rotax engines in home built aeroplanes.The engine does not know it it's
at night, in cloud or over water. Personally I would rather have engine failure
in a light aeroplane at night over land rather than over water.My preference
maybe not yours, however I have taught hundreds of night forced landings,and
estimate 80% would have been reasonably successful.
Please don't post replies; if you like it remember it and I hope it serves you
well if needed; if you don't like it delete it and forget it. You won't find this
in the text books but it's from thousands of hours of hands on flying and
instructing and just passing it on to you.
Provided the surface wind is below 12 kts forget about it, usually at night the
surface wind decreases and the 2,000 foot wind increases.
At night you want forward visibility, if you have a moon turn towards it, your
visibility will now be more than doubled. Choose your open area, get your speed
back in the glide to a slow safe glide speed, do all the odds and ends on
the way down. When ready get your flaps down so pointing the nose more down.
Here's the interesting bit: on the C150 we opened the side window and stuck our
heads out, holding on straight with a bit of crossed controls. With the Perplexe
gone a further 5 times increase in visibility is possible, you can see fields,
trees and power lines. In fact its like landing at dusk.
A Europa, will fly without a door. Somehow I would get the door open enough, by
what ever means necessary, to get my head out so as to see ahead. As we know
from a recent thread the door will happily leave the aeroplane if unlocked, one
lost door is not important in this situation. But you can hold it open with
one hand until the wheels touch.
The Europa is no different to any other single engine aeroplane at night, it does
not know night from day, so the chances of failure are the same.
The only thing I would say, the brakes are not as good as a C150 s which will stop
you on a six pence (dime, 2 cents etc) and that's a plus when it comes to
force landings.
As for flying the Europa in IMC, again in the 60s/70s we did at least 70% of the
course in cloud. I find it hard to believe the whole course can now be done
under the hood where you can peek out.
Cloud is a hostile environment it's bumpy, wet, cold, and dark. With or without
"Know Icing", icing occurs and many aircraft have a point of first detection,
on the C150 it was the little door latch just below the wing,
So if you have done all your IMC rating in VFR you have no experience of this hostile
environment. Disorientation only take a couple of minutes and losing the
A/H in bumpy cloud in a Europa is not the same as flying in VFR under the hood
on limited panel.
I know owners and groups can receive training and a currency test on a Europa,
but I can find no reference to adding ratings. A heated pitot is required for
IMC, it's checked on the Pre Flight, it's Turned on in the Checks
list,and on entering cloud it's part of the instrument checklist "heaters check
on". I can not see the CAA allowing imaginary checks, in fact if you failed
to do these checks you would fail the IMC.
If the Europa is fitted with all the kit will be fine in cloud, provide you keep
away from stormy weather, and fly in layer cloud or climb and come out on top.
The Europa is very light, and not meant for turbulent cloud, The aeroplane will
handle it better than the pilots, because IFR is a high work load and requires
constant practice to keep currant.
And if you fly on an NPPL of LAPL you can,t add a IMC rating to it.
Regards.
Alan
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